I can tell something is Cyrillic, but I can't tell you what the signs are called.
2015-03-10 06920, 2015
reosarevok
Ukrainian, Russian, Serbian etc also have different characters but it's all Cyrillic
2015-03-10 06929, 2015
STalKer-X
Freso: letters ;)
2015-03-10 06933, 2015
Freso
I know the signs for alpha, beta, gamma, omega, phi, pi, etc.
2015-03-10 06948, 2015
Freso
All letters are signs, not all signs are letters.
2015-03-10 06900, 2015
hopphopp
not like e.g. german or scandinavian languages that has a couple of extra characters that are ligatures or accented latin characters. icelandic has completely different characters such as thorn (borrowed from old english/proto germanic) þ etc
2015-03-10 06913, 2015
Freso
hopphopp: Still Latin.
2015-03-10 06928, 2015
Freso
ß is also not a typical Latin character, yet still a German one.
2015-03-10 06932, 2015
Freso
Well, or it was.
2015-03-10 06933, 2015
hopphopp
german is moving away from ß to ss
2015-03-10 06955, 2015
Freso
Hence, "Well, or it was."
2015-03-10 06913, 2015
hopphopp
how can the cyrillic and greek alphabet be latin?? greek alphabet predates latin
2015-03-10 06924, 2015
Freso
Cyrillic and Greek aren't Latin.
2015-03-10 06946, 2015
hopphopp
the romans actually borrowed the greek alphabet and modified it
2015-03-10 06903, 2015
Freso
I just demonstrated the failure of my own thumb-rule since most Westerners are actually familiar with two scripts.
2015-03-10 06928, 2015
hopphopp
aha
2015-03-10 06943, 2015
hopphopp
and maybe the runic alphabet :-)
2015-03-10 06947, 2015
Freso
(Familiar, as in being able to point out and name individual signs.)
2015-03-10 06903, 2015
Freso
Very few people are able to name individual Futhark symbols.
2015-03-10 06929, 2015
Freso
And I live in Denmark where it's part of the school curriculum to at least get acquianted with them.
2015-03-10 06942, 2015
hopphopp
and i am swedish
2015-03-10 06951, 2015
Freso
And again, that helps to strengthen the second part of my statement: "unless you've studied something else and knows it isn't Latin."
2015-03-10 06927, 2015
Freso
You would have had to study the Futhark on its own to be able to name the individual symbols.
2015-03-10 06942, 2015
Freso
I have never specifically studied Greek, yet I can name a fair amount of its symbols.
2015-03-10 06954, 2015
hopphopp
depending on the version of futhark
2015-03-10 06928, 2015
Freso
I bet you that a random person on the street will be able to name more Greek symbols than Runic ones, regardless of the version. :)
Also, that graphic is approximations. That's like calling alpha for a. It helps your brain mapping, but isn't the symbols name.
2015-03-10 06954, 2015
nikki
the spelling rules changed ages ago which resulted in fewer words which are spelt with ß but it's still a perfectly common letter used in plenty of perfectly normal words
2015-03-10 06959, 2015
Freso
And most people would likely still not be able to name most of them.
2015-03-10 06905, 2015
hopphopp
approximate? why?
2015-03-10 06913, 2015
hopphopp
but they could read them
2015-03-10 06930, 2015
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2015-03-10 06951, 2015
hopphopp
usually you just need to recognise a few letters in a word to read it
2015-03-10 06914, 2015
nikki
(unless you're in switzerland, in which case it's always "ss" and has been for ages. it was weeeeird seeing all the words that are normally written with ß be written with "ss" when I was there :P)
2015-03-10 06954, 2015
hopphopp
from wikipedia “Since the German orthography reform of 1996, it [ß] is used only after long vowels and diphthongs, while ss is written after short vowels.“
2015-03-10 06919, 2015
nikki
yes, exactly
2015-03-10 06900, 2015
hopphopp
i have a script that imports releases from discogs to MB. are there other similar scripts for e.g., bandcamp, soundcloud, itunes etc?
2015-03-10 06912, 2015
Freso
hopphopp: I'm not talking about being able to read it. That requires you to know the language that is written. I'm talking purely about knowing the symbols. I know far most of the Latin symbols, yet I wouldn't venture to claim that I can speak/pronounce neither Latin nor Finnish nor Croatian nor far most other languages using the Latin script.
2015-03-10 06913, 2015
nikki
itunes, yes
2015-03-10 06917, 2015
nikki
bandcamp, possibly?
2015-03-10 06932, 2015
hopphopp
link?
2015-03-10 06955, 2015
Freso
Likewise, I cannot read Greek - but I still recognise and can name a good amount of Greek symbols.
2015-03-10 06949, 2015
Freso
I can also recognise Futhark and Cyrillic and a few other scripts, but I couldn't name any of the symbols.
2015-03-10 06952, 2015
STalKer-X
in german there is "Masse" and "Maße" - both meaning something totally different. it's also pronounced differently. but for swiss people it's all the same :D
2015-03-10 06931, 2015
nikki wonders which version of the latin alphabet people even mean when they say "extended latin alphabet"... does that include english for using things like j and u and w? :P
2015-03-10 06924, 2015
Freso
I think "u" is an abomination. Yov shovld all be pvnished.
urgh, a little frustrating that adding a number attribute to a series relationship isn't an auto-edit :/
2015-03-10 06920, 2015
nikki
we're planning to change that
2015-03-10 06937, 2015
johtso
wheee!
2015-03-10 06953, 2015
johtso
and next step make everything auto-edit ;)
2015-03-10 06902, 2015
nikki
but don't get too excited, there's a long list of things to do :P
2015-03-10 06906, 2015
nikki
heh
2015-03-10 06920, 2015
nikki
we'd like that too, although it's harder since we don't have any way of reverting quite a few things
2015-03-10 06945, 2015
johtso
yeah, that's a pretty important first step
2015-03-10 06905, 2015
nikki
e.g. merges are impossible to undo, the best you can do is manually split things, but it's not actually possible to go back to how the data was before, only something sort of resembling it
2015-03-10 06948, 2015
johtso
maybe that would be a case for still keeping some things non-auto-merge?
2015-03-10 06914, 2015
johtso
*auto-edit
2015-03-10 06954, 2015
nikki
or a case for making it possible to revert things :)
2015-03-10 06933, 2015
Shepard
what happened to the idea of having a versionised editing system?
2015-03-10 06953, 2015
nikki
too much work, too little dev time, mostly
2015-03-10 06911, 2015
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2015-03-10 06906, 2015
Shepard
damn reality!
2015-03-10 06904, 2015
Freso
Shepard: Are you following the BookBrainz project? ( #bookbrainz-devel ;))
2015-03-10 06926, 2015
Freso
I think they already have a versioningish editing system.
2015-03-10 06901, 2015
Freso
Of course, it's easier when you start with a blank slate and don't have to worry about billions of old edits and already existing data. :)
2015-03-10 06914, 2015
Shepard
I ignored that mostly because it seemed to duplicate the work of existing projects
2015-03-10 06914, 2015
johtso
damn reality!
2015-03-10 06947, 2015
Freso
So, hey, how about we start MusicBrainz over? Just DROP the database and start over?
2015-03-10 06927, 2015
nikki
johtso: it seems I approved your edit :P
2015-03-10 06912, 2015
hopphopp
johtso: any readme or so for these scripts?
2015-03-10 06922, 2015
hopphopp
any script for allmusic?
2015-03-10 06905, 2015
johtso
If you have greasemonkey, or your browser's equivalent installed you should just be able to go to the raw page for the script and have it install
2015-03-10 06952, 2015
johtso
Apart from that it should be self explanatory. A button should appear on relevant pages
2015-03-10 06942, 2015
johtso
I haven't come across a script for allmusic. Would be useful
2015-03-10 06931, 2015
derwin
agree, would be.
2015-03-10 06959, 2015
hopphopp
i have two scripts to handle tracks “feat. artist” but only one shows a button, and it was not obvious that it was there (until someone told me where to look).
