#musicbrainz

Hi. I’m trying to setup my mirror and I’m getting stuck on creating the databases. Output is here: http://pastebin.com/Kd9c51u0 Can someone help me out?

Nevermind….I figured it out

yay

Hi, I have a "special edition" 2 CD release which contains 2 releases which already exist separately on MB as digital media releases. How should I go about entering this?

hi petern_. That would be considered a separate release (and separate release group).

... unless the second disc is a "bonus disc".

"Special double disc edition inlcudes extra mini album" heh

Okay, yeah, that sounds like the second case. Link?

(or, rather, 'links'? to both the special edition and the original)

http://www.finderskeepersrecords.com/shop/jane-... < original

http://www.finderskeepersrecords.com/shop/jane-... < specialish

http://www.finderskeepersrecords.com/shop/jane-... < and that'll be the digital version of the second disc hmm

hmm. To me, it makes sense to enter this as a new release, but put it in the existing "silver globe" release group.

cover art is the same, catalog number is (kinda) the same.

I think this fits the "with bonus disc" scenario.

I'll try it :)

anyone here?

hmm, is [non-album tracks] still a thing?

As far as I know, Picard still uses it

But MB proper does not

afaik that has changed to [standalone recordings] now

evne in picard?

or maybe it's me that's changed it to that

I might start adding a lot of singles if that's proper style

singles is the only way to capture some of the release information that it's appropriate to attach to some of these

for now, at least

ah, forgot that

Or we could adjust the mb-definition of 'release' (the verb). The current definition is so 20th century.

hmm

Thoughts on http://musicbrainz.org/edit/32494251 and http://musicbrainz.org/edit/32494252? I was never terribly clear on how style applied to these.

Leftmost: my initial reaction is "NO!" and "we shouldn't change data because of media players"

but maybe? i don't know

The reasoning given I strongly disagree with, yes. I think I received feedback on including the release title in the track names at one point, though. (For that specific release, as it's not classical.)

If it were a compilation of show tunes, we'd keep the show title.

The same basic disagreement has come up in CSG in the past. 'If the entire album is from one superwork, why do we keep repeating that in the track titles?'

I feel the work name should be kept in, but I'm basically looking for someone to tell me "no, remove it, here's why" before I vote no on those edits.

I agree with CatQuest. "but it looks dumb on my iThingy" isn't a persuasive argument.

No, definitely not.

I'm just thinking back to the discussion with fmera and wondering if I should let the edit go through despite its terrible reasoning. (I.e., is it right for the wrong reasons?)

I think my view comes down to "opera style" being artist intent, thus we should use our idea of opera style.

yea

What would be the "right" reason for removing the supertitle?

CallerNo6, fmera's argument was essentially that it's not actually an opera and so opera style isn't appropriate. I think it's a worthwhile argument to consider, but I was never fully convinced of it. If the consensus was with him, though, that would be the "right" reason, I think.

I wasn't thinking 'opera'. I was thinking 'theatre'.

Theatre style was somewhat modeled on classical, but it didn't inherit the explicit guideline about including the supertitle.

(for tracks)

I've voted No. If someone can convince me otherwise, I'll switch.

Meh, my stuff didn't go through, did it

uhm.. you said something?

Yeah - I've been supposed to look at that

But I haven't yet and also I don't know that much about theatre :)

In this case though, it feels that the switch is to no-man's-land

I mean, I can see the arguments of "songs stand alone so we shouldn't add the supertitle" and "we should add it everywhere" but removing it and still leaving "Act X" feels... strange

they are related atleast

I will choose to interpret that as "reo agrees with me and I am therefore correct". ;)

somethings are songs. they sort of stand alone, especialyl if they get really popular (see "Memory") but they are intended as a part of an entire block of stuff. and several times the music in these songs" use the some leimotifs

hahaha

Leftmost: I do feel you're correct in voting No here, yes. I would probably abstain if the change was to just "Song Title" and not "Act X: Song Title (Chars)"

(and let people with more of an opinion about theatre as a whole have their say)

reosarevok: for the guess case stuff, I should probably remove pres -> presents too?

Yup, missed that

My only reservation about going with just song titles (for something like PotO) is that you'd get a track called "Overture". I hate that.

CallerNo6: and there you have my defined reason for why my reaction was "NO" thank you :)

hey I'd really really appreciate if I could get some votes on this merge http://musicbrainz.org/edit/32585666 so that I can use the "right" RG for this thing I'm adding

You realise it will still take 48 hours to close, right?

what?

/48/

??

ok I knew some was added but it was 24 not 48 right