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      • mb-chat-logger
        New post: blog: Server update, 2015-06-01 <http://blog.musicbrainz.org/2015/06/02/server-update-2015-06-01/>
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      • CallerNo6
        hibiscuskazenek1, why, what's the story? is that a legit artist?
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      • kuno
        CallerNo6: unknown is hardly useful
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      • hibiscuskazenek1
        It may or may not be. liftarn has this obsession with pigeonholing soundtrack artists into this mold.
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      • kuno
        CallerNo6: the release is credited like that on stores like iTunes, the release itself has a full annotation with credits in MB
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      • hibiscuskazenek1
        And liftarn still thinks that isn't good enough.
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      • hibiscuskazenek1
        We've been through this many times.
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      • kuno voted & commented
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      • kuno
        hibiscuskazenek1: please vote no as well if you don't like the edit.
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      • CallerNo6
        kuno, I /do/ agree that unknown/VA is the artist of last resort.
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      • CallerNo6
        I guess this edit is part of a larger body of disputed merges?
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      • kuno
        In this particular case, if you we couldn't find any composer or artist credit for the release I would have picked Riot games (the company which employs the composers and developers the game this release is the soundtrack for).
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      • kuno
        That would still be considerably more helpful than unknown.
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      • hibiscuskazenek1
        If I vote No I get hit with heavy scrutiny
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      • kuno
        hibiscuskazenek1: you need a sockpuppet account :)
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      • hibiscuskazenek1
        That'll just get me banned
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      • CallerNo6
        I would think you'd need to do some sort of evil deeds, beyond simply creating a second anonymous account.
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      • CallerNo6
        (to get banned, I mean)
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      • Nyanko-sensei
        holyshit. can add credited as for credits now :D
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      • Nyanko-sensei
        time to merge all the guys with funny credit names into one now :>
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        same
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      • CatCat
        OMG
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        what?
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      • jesus2099
        jesus2099 has changed the topic to: Developers: #musicbrainz-devel | Latest Release: http://blog.musicbrainz.org/?p=2950 | IRC Log: http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/
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      • pankkake
        https://musicbrainz.org/artist/9fb1ef89-b26d-45ea… https://musicbrainz.org/artist/3732f9a4-b902-4873… can I merge this now? what will the legal name relationship look like?
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      • jesus2099
        YEAH i’ve done my first pen name merge ! https://musicbrainz.org/edit/33388071
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      • jesus2099
        I’m still wondering if AC is kept for WHICH AR ?
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      • jesus2099
        ALL AR ? only work credits ? does it include instrument performance, yes I guess as it alreedy existed…
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      • jesus2099
        does it keep band membership names too… etc…
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      • jesus2099
        we have the same hesitations, pankkake :)
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      • jesus2099
        bitmap: if you are here, is it ALL the AR that will get AC when we merge artists, now ?
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      • jesus2099
        i don’t remember my tests on your sandbox… sorry
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        I've held off on merging artists for these reasons
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      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        this is why we should have test server/artists
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      • pankkake
        let's test in production https://musicbrainz.org/edit/33388767
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      • drsaunders
        pankkake: voted, however its a merge so even with a 100 yes' it'll need 48 hours to pass
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      • Nyanko-sensei
        still, with this we can keep all the stage names in one
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      • pankkake
        I added it to my list of edits to watch :)
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        I'm giving this new relationship credit thing a whirl… https://musicbrainz.org/edit/33390385
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      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        amazing pictures of insects caught by rain! http://www.nrk.no/viten/insekt-dekka-av-regndropa…
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      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        (it in norwegian but pictures are understandable)
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        really nice
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      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        https://beta.musicbrainz.org/edit/33391015 aaaand https://beta.musicbrainz.org/edit/33390959 if I ant get some "merge the artists now we have credits on artist rels" thing
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      • mb-chat-logger
        New post: blog: Style update, 2015-06-02 <http://blog.musicbrainz.org/2015/06/02/style-update-2015-06-02/>
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
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      • reosarevok
        Commented
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        I saw, and that doc looks like it needs to be updated.
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      • reosarevok
        Does it? It was specifically just updated for this :p
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        Should we open a ticket?
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        It didn't look like it to me
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      • reosarevok
        It's basically "merge everything that's not actually a different project"
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      • reosarevok
        What seemed old? :)
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        I guess I didn't read it closely enough
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      • reosarevok
        Ok - but if it's not clear please do give suggestions to make it more clear, anyway :)
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        My brain is not firing on all cylinders ATM
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      • reosarevok
        Haha. Not only yours, I probably should rest a bit myself :)
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      • reosarevok
        Golden Sun time!
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      • Zastai
        is the display issue for a work's recording list (wrong columns used when the recording relationship has an attribute) a known issue? my jira-query-fu is not strong enough
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      • Zastai
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      • Zastai
        the regular link is fine, but for the live recordings, attribute & artist are in the AC & attribute columns, respectively
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      • CallerNo6
        Zastai, at first glance, I don't see a ticket for that. If you have a jira account, I'd say make a ticket.
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      • Zastai
        okidoki
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      • Zastai
        that's under the "data display" category I take it?
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      • reosarevok
        yup, I'd imagine so
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      • reosarevok
        A dev is taking a look, anyway, but do add a ticket :)
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      • CallerNo6
        if that's not data display-y, I don't know what is :-)
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      • Zastai
        seems to make more sense to me to have that Credited As column at the end too, so that it's next to the artist
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      • Zastai
        now it reads to me like the title is "credited as"
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      • Zastai
        MBS-8421, feel free to comment/vote :-)
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      • Zastai hums along to the Airwolf theme
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      • Zastai
        I assume it would be Real Bad(tm) to use an AR AC as a means of conveying relationship types we don't have "misc support: Foo (as [director])"? :-D
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      • reosarevok
        Yes, please use the annotation :p
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      • Zastai
        aww, spoilsport :-p
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      • CallerNo6
        Maybe "annotation" needs a new image. A makeover.
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      • CallerNo6
        "Unstructured Data Field"? "Free Text Relationships"?
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      • KRSCuan
        reosarevok: Was there any discussion on the reformulation of the artist guideline?
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      • Zastai
        well, a separate "suboptimal credits" annotation type might be handy, with a tag field. would make it easier to review entities that have, say, a suboptimal instrument credit
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      • KRSCuan
        I didn't follow stuff much the last month.
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      • KRSCuan
        Or was that just your changes for now.
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      • reosarevok
        CallerNo6: "Stuff Goes Here"
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      • reosarevok
        KRSCuan: Not much, no. Mostly my changes with a "does this look reasonable" check with a few people, based on previous discussions on edits like these and the feature request
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      • KRSCuan
        I think we should only merge the reasonably similar stuff (which I also said in the feature ticket).
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      • KRSCuan
        And my thoughts are now on http://musicbrainz.org/edit/33390385 as well.
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      • reosarevok
        For what it's worth though, it's not much of a reformulation. The old guideline already said "Specifically, this is where legal names are useful, and you may now create a new artist entry using the artist legal name as a name, then relate all the artist's performance names to this new entry."
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      • KRSCuan
        I didn't fully understand what even changed.