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      • bitmap
        it's 'cause it's used as an example on https://musicbrainz.org/relationship/eb10f8a0-0f4…
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      • bitmap
        still on my todo list for this week
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      • reosarevok
        pankkake: there you go, an explanation :)
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      • reosarevok goes to bed now. Night all!
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      • CatQuest
        heh
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      • CatQuest
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      • CatQuest
        (re old comments)
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      • CatQuest
        so I get the blog notifications either when people talk/link about it in here or narfen or when the chatlogger does it
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      • drsaunders hasn't been able to get an edit to go thru in 5.5 hours
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      • bsammon
        I've only been trying on and off over the last hour, but, yeah, me too.
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      • bsammon
        Not sure if it's really necessary/helpful, but I put the output into a bug report: http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-8510
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      • bsammon
        Hmm... okay problem seems to be gone now. guess I'll kill that bug.
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      • hibiscuskazenek1
        Would a show like Fashion Rocks be suitable for MB?
      • 2015-08-07 21901, 2015

      • hibiscuskazenek1
        (as an event)
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      • d4rkie
        hmm... starzik displays ISRCs as well, but on individual tracks so it's crazy annoying to copy-pasta :<
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      • d4rkie
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      • hibiscuskazenek1
        I hear Amazon mp3 embeds ISRCs as well
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      • d4rkie
        it does
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      • d4rkie
        I don't buy mp3s tho...
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      • hibiscuskazenek1 avoids digital purchases unless there's no other option
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      • hibiscuskazenek1
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      • Rasi
        there is nothing worse than itunes-exclusive music
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      • Rasi
        also it happened in the past that itunes removed bonus tracks from its library
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      • Rasi
        which basically meant that there was no legal way to obtain the tracks
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        I know
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        I've seen entire releases disappear
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      • pankkake
        disappearance of digital releases happens everywhere, unfortunately
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      • pankkake
        once, I had to get some by faking the DNS, as it was a store hosted by bandcamp but the custom domain expired!
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      • Freso
        Heh.
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        So I didn't get an answer earlier: Should I add this to MB? http://www.setlist.fm/festival/2014/fashion-rocks…
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        It was a fashion show with a few musical guests
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      • pankkake
        did they perform?
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        As far as I know (no word on whether anything was mimed or lip-synced)
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        (which are both why I didn't add the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade appearances)
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      • reosarevok
        If they did perform, then I guess why not
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      • reosarevok
        (I'd probably include it even if it was lip-synced actually)
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        I haven't added any regular old TV appearances (partially for the aforementioned reasons, but also because they're a dime a dozen)
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      • reosarevok
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        nifty
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      • reosarevok
        "The" Freso? Look at him, just one day on the payroll and already self-aggrandizing :p
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      • reosarevok
        (it's ok, we still like you ;p)
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        Are ampersands really mandatory? https://beta.musicbrainz.org/edit/34420100
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      • Leftmost
        I tend to use that as a fallback if there's not a clear means of doing it on the case.
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        Same, but the note seemed to imply that "and" should always be replaced with &
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      • reosarevok sighs
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      • reosarevok
        In theory? Yes, when using "feat.", as per the guideline's wording
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      • reosarevok
        Does that make sense? Honestly, not sure
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      • reosarevok
        (I mean, "mandatory", since guidelines != rules, but you know what I mean)
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      • Leftmost
        The guidelines should mandate the use of scare quotes on "mandatory".
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      • pankkake
        I don't get it, why allow other words than feat but force &?
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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        pankkake, I think you've got that backwards
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      • reosarevok
        pankkake: from the wording, it only forces it *with* feat. - with other words, you can use whatever
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      • reosarevok
        I still agree with the sentiment though :p
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      • pankkake
        oh, ok, it's a bit less nonsensical
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      • reosarevok
        I guess it's that way so that it's easier to make plugins and stuff that deal with "feat." parts of credits? Dunno
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      • reosarevok
        Or maybe it's just because it's how we used to do it on titles and nobody thought of changing that :p
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      • reosarevok
        I have wondered about it before though - Polish rap for example seems to fairly consistently use "feat. X, Y"
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      • reosarevok
        Seems strange to force & on that
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      • Leftmost
        Hmm. We need a good term for different schools of editing thought. Like how I think that the case is the ultimate reference for releases.
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      • reosarevok
        You mean "mine" and "wrong" aren't good enough for everyone? :p
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      • reosarevok
        (with "mine" depending on the person, that is)
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      • Leftmost
        I like to categorize. :)
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      • Leftmost
        That is, people can be wrong for many reasons. ;)
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      • reosarevok
        I guess you have a point :p
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      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        jup jup
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      • Freso
        reosarevok: I've been "The" Freso for years.
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      • mb-chat-logger
        New post: blog: New MusicBrainz server virtual machine available <http://blog.musicbrainz.org/2015/08/07/new-musicbrainz-server-virtual-machine-available/>
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      • snoozebrainz
        hmm, question wumpscut has the release "Böses junges Fleisch", but on one of their release they are using "Boeses junges Fleisch"
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      • snoozebrainz
        on the cover, should I change the name on that specific release?
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      • darwin
        love the question.
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      • CallerNo6
        snoozebrainz, the cover art is different? (assuming there's cover art)
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      • snoozebrainz
        it is, but it seems alot of the other versions are using the spelling with oe instead of ö
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      • darwin
        11:06 < w80> fwiw "Boeses" is the version i've seen 90% of the time
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      • darwin
        ;D
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      • snoozebrainz
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      • snoozebrainz
        with a scan of that release
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      • snoozebrainz
        the original release has a different cover (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Boeses_Junges_…) but as darwin pointed out that one is also using oe spelling :)
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      • snoozebrainz
        so maybe the whole release group should be updated?
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      • CallerNo6
        each mb-release should be titled as on the cover of that release
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      • snoozebrainz
        but capitalization should be kept according to the style guidelines right?
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      • CallerNo6
        well, yeah, sorry. keep the spelling variations, but adhere to style guidelines unless you feel that artist intent should override them.
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      • CallerNo6
        (which in my mind should not happen very often)
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      • snoozebrainz
        great, thanks!
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      • pankkake
        snoozebrainz: we have many wumpscut releases with the umlauts (is that the word?) but he actually writes in the other form most of the time
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      • pankkake
        so yes, you can go ahead and fix those - I've seen similar edits get approved in the past
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      • snoozebrainz
        yehe, umlauts is the word :)
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      • CallerNo6
        I don't understand pankkake's advice. Does "fix those" mean standardize all the titles to the most common?
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      • CallerNo6
        (otherwise, I don't know why "most of the time" was mentioned)
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      • snoozebrainz
        I understood it as fix it on the ones that have the spelling with umlauts but the covers are not using the umlauts.
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      • pankkake
        yeah
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      • pankkake
        they were entered wrongly