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culinko: The release, I reckon.

i don't think there was a release of that album

Ah, yeah. I wonder where that cover art is from. o.O

she had some mp3s on her site for purchase separately

let me check

freso: because of dates. basially

3:06 seems to where the video switches over from the actual tune to the "commercial" bit: https://youtu.be/lrF814OnFQ4?t=3m6s

I really, rally rally wish SAR were much more extended in usability

Yep.

(I usually go and put dates in the YouTube URL relationship... but that's me.)

had th ability for sorting and date and label and whatnot.. basically sort a single thing

maybe not label, since that's deffinitly a "single release"

maybe

but yea. SAR with dates and cover art. high on my list of wants

so you can't buy the mp3s separately from there anymore, just full albums and one single

culinko: She also mentions in the video comments that she cannot sell that recording.

so the only way to tell if it's the actual release or not is to look for release date

if it matches the youtube upload date, then it's just a video, not a release

there are 5-10 releases and recordings that needs to be fixed this way

looks like i would be having fun at that

culinko: Anyway, if you want to import videos from YT to MB, feel free to use https://bitbucket.org/Freso/nikki-userscripts/s...

yea so probably AR but not the "feat. blup" thing

It's nikki's script, but her version broke due to YouTube stopping their old API, so that's my fork updated to the new API.

Freso: thanks for the script, but i don't think i will be adding any stuff to mb very soon, i just fix something now and then

Adding YouTube music videos with that script is real easy and quick though. So you never know. ;)

interestingly enough, all of the added releases that had their recordings linked to youtube with the upload date as the release date and their time adjusted to not include anything except the song itself (so no intro, outro, commercial stuff) have been uploaded by one guy

for now i changed the recordings to video and fixed some relationships and durations. after the edits are done (one week), i will try to keep only the recordings and discard the rest (rg, release). is there any sensible way to do it?

culinko: I think releases have a "delete release" link?

yeah, but would it keep the recording?

It should, if it has relationships... I think.

alright, so the guy that added the remix of Lindsey Stirling's song has only one concern and it's the upload date on youtube. there is no way to store that info currently

You can add it on the YouTube URL relationship, even if it is a bit cumbersome.

eww

(but technically you can I guess, if that one still supports dates)

It does.

And I really don't get the "eww" about dates on URL relationships. I think it's a brilliant thing.

It's generally irrelevant (who cares which day an artist opened their twitter account?) and sometimes just an ugly hack (like herE)

I don't think it's an ugly hack. Esp. if a video is later removed, *I* like to know when it was available.

I mean, what is wanted here is not "which day was this first uploaded to youtube" really, is it, but "which day was this released (which in this case involves uploading to youtube)"

Or would you move digital releases' dates to be on the iTunes relationship or the like?

A digital release has a release date independent of the dates which it is available on various retailers.

where do you add the date on the youtube relationship? i can't find it

I don't see URL rel. dates as release dates.

culinko: you need to edit the rel once it's added, and possibly only works from the URL side now?

culinko: You have to go to the URL entity (follow the "[info]" link next to the URL), and then "edit" that.

Freso: does it? Then what does the release date mean?

nope, not there

(if it's not "the date it's available on various retailers")

oh found it

so hidden

reosarevok: A digital release can be released and made available the same day on Bandcamp and iTunes, 2 months later that release is put up for streaming on Spotify, 3 years later it is put up for download and stream on SoundCloud.

I would only put the original release date as the release date, but have separate URL rel. dates.

culinko: I think bitmap didn't even remember it was originally allowed when designing the relationship editor - we haven't shown the date fields when adding the URLs for many years

That's why it's "hidden" - it's just that that bit happened not to get changed

Yeah, I'm not in the "and the link should be removed" camp. :)

I think it makes sense to denote that something *used to be* available at a location.

I can see the use of keeping a link that's mostly text info so that it can be looked at with archive.org

But something like spotify just won't do anything at all

Other than have some kind of Spotify identifier that may be used for cross-referencing.

Sometimes artists are identified due to us having a MySpace URL that is no longer working, which they reference on some ancient YouTube video description or homepage.

Just because the content at the endpoint of an URL is no longer relevant, does not mean the URL *as an identifier in its own right* is irrelevant.

Ok, that's kinda fair, and it might make sense to have some "deprecated urls" section or something that could be consulted

I do think we shouldn't be serving those as if they were real useful URLs though because they aren't for most data users

Sure. I don't disagree with that.

(and I don't like the idea of using an attribute for it because of the same reason I dislike using attributes for any other thing that's significantly different - it puts all the effort of filtering things we know are different on the user)

(like with the translator rel)

That said, I'm still not sure if the date gives particularly useful info there, except in the very rare case where the same URL was used for two different (MB-relevant) things in time

And some are.

A tiny amount of them might be, but does that really justify the additional complexity?

I'd say yes.

IIRC the reason we removed the date fields from the URL adding UI in the first place is that only a tiny amount of people were using it in any reasonable way

And they got misused often

(same as the description field, but I guess we fully dropped that one)

And now it's hidden away and only people dedicated about it are using it.

I'm okay with that.

i just wanted to convince someone to cancel his release and add only recording for the youtube relationship. he decided to add the release because there was no way to set the upload date on the recording, so that's why he used the release date on release :P

Yeah.

also, what happens to cover art when you delete the release? does it just get unlinked?

reosarevok: I've updated my profile now, happy? :p https://musicbrainz.org/user/Freso

culinko: Yes.

I don't think the IA ever really deletes data. Ever.

they delete things, at least for the public. I have a lot of archive.org/details/*** links that end up as 404s

pankkake: Taking it offline/making it non-public doesn't necessarily mean they've deleted it. :)

yes, I suspect in some cases it's set to reappear in 100 years

Yeah, I think that's the idea, that they'll get undarkened when they're out of copyright. However long that takes

Freso: yep!

"[Multiple languages] (Basic)" :p

It's true!

I genuinely mean every single one of those languages.

well, thanks to MB I can recognize many languages without understanding them

(Not really thanks to MB) I can understand parts of, say, Dutch, Spanish, Italian, Japanese, ... even if I've never actively studied them, mostly due to their similarity with other European languages which I have studied (well, not Japanese, that's just too much manga/anime, a bit of martial arts, and also the MB influence).

du har et avansert nivå av inget lingvistisk innhold?

uhh huh

det betyr vel bare kaudervelsk da men. :P

men betyr det at du forstår &%$&$%HG423**@4+++ *bedre* enn det jeg skriver NÅ, da du kan norsk bare basisk?

høres rart ut :P

men så er du rar da..

CatQuest: Dancing, playing music?

er dét et språk?

tja, kanskje det

It's non-linguistic communication anyway. :)

ja,

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ruaok: ^ sure we don't want mb-chat-logger in #metabrainz until OTHER-228 ? :)

mb-chat-logger is not under my control.

Ah.