#musicbrainz

CallerNo6: I don't think using wikidata to get geonames ID#s is going to be a good idea

it's looking right now that over half of the geonames ID#s they have there are wrong, looks like they were added by a bot (wrong area but same name or very close), just an fyi that we shouldn't piggyback that bad data or high percentage of bad data

akk. what are you looking at?

Are you just spot-checking?

yes well i'm getting my wikidata URL first, then from that url if it has a geonames # listed there...i load that number in geodata to see if it actually matches the area in question

success rate 50percent so fat

far

blech.

I honestly never checked, just did manual searches. Good to know.

last couple have matched..but 3 out of first 6 didn't....being new i just didn't want to just accept their IDs so i checked them

trust nobody!

I hope WD isn't that bad in general.

do digital booklets have drm ? or is it safe to upload to CAA ? (.pdf)

Anyone have an opinion on https://musicbrainz.org/edit/36192329 ?

hawke1, Bonnet not Bonnett

More specifically does fixing "the Spirit of the Radio" fall under error correction, since it's not a spelling/punctuation/grammar error.

hawke1, It is a valid edit

Actually. It is Spirit of Radio. I just checked.

I know it is.

I voted yes on it because of the other portions of the edit

hawke1, We will see...

hawke1, I think of track titles as 'recording credits' if that's your question.

CallerNo6: I tend to agree, but how far does that go? The song clearly has a correct name

Yeah, now you've got me wondering too.

It doesn't *clearly* fall under error correction

"spelling and punctuation and, to a lesser extent, grammar errors"

but at the same time it's definitely not artist intent either.

have you ever seen a correction to fix *grammar*?

What would that even be? "You Are Nothing If Not a Hound Dog"?

lol

I don't think that's an example of a grammatical error actually

(old National Lampoon joke)

Yeah, I know that too. :-)

Just saying it's not a grammar issue exactly.

does someone here live in norway?

CatCat

ah, I know who does!

right, yes.

do you need something?

np http://toe.prx.org/2015/10/secret-histories-of-...

oh. nevermind. it's a fundraising episode.

oh great, podcasts are doing telethons now?

fucking 504s

I can't submit my votes because the goddamn server is timing out!

Is this deliberate

?

hibiscuskazeneko: yes, it's rejecting you, personally, because it knows it's you!!!

deliberate? like the server hates you?

Or someone filed complaints against me and it's stymying what I can do

yes, some mysterious powerful person filed "complaints" against you, and we all collectively decided the appropriate response would be to make some subset of your interaction with the site give 504 HTTP server errors

that's exactly what happened, you got it in ne.

*one

We now have a report function.

therefore the above is totally plausible now!

most of them don't come on here

but yeah, in summary, 504 errors are just that... errors. don't take them personally.

There are ways to feign the appearance of errors (when you're actually doing something else)

One ISP was feigning 404s for blocked pages a few years ago, for example

hibiscuskazeneko: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

The reason I'm suspicious is because I was able to vote on a different artist just a few minutes prior

but you know that the site often features intermittent failures

where action [x] at time [a] works, but action [x-like-y] at time [b] does not

Often times I'm told those failures are on my end only

no, you're told that they are not reproducable, which is a very different thing

intermittent failure is most likely to affect heavy users, and to be noticed by them

you are a 99th percentile user?

therefore anyone you mention a failure to is less likely than you are to encounter one?

blah blah blah logic blah blah. what it comes down to is, you're a good editor and people respect your work.

a select few don't

fortunately in a collective context of mostly-equal peers, the view of a select few doesn't hold that much sway

certainly not enough sway to convince the maintainers of the software to patch it in order to add features designed to subtly fuck with you?

first because that would be a very complex way to deal with any particular beef with you instead of addressing you directly

and second because the existence of such a feature would dramatically negatively impact community-wide trust, which would be a very dear price to pay to punish you for whatever reason?

The feature was added because of certain editors who just do what they want and ignore everyone else

I'm with CallerNo6, we actually really like and appreciate you, and while no community will have only fans, especially when there's stuff to "actually disagree" about

hibiscuskazeneko: the hypothetical feature you describe does not exist, but if it did, why would the project engage in such duplicity?

hibiscuskazeneko: why would it expend the effort of being so duplicitous and scheming when more direct methods would work, and require less effort?

"There’s a way to report editors for bad behavior, from their user profiles. The reports will be sent to our https://musicbrainz.org/privileged. We’d prefer people use this method from now on for reporting unresponsive editors, or for any https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Code_of_Conduct violations. Account admins have also received an easy way to restrict a user’s editing/voting capabilities."

I can see how that can be abused

sure, all systems of collective heriarchy can be abused

it is impossible to define a system in such a way that it cannot be abused

therefore your statement is null

My point is someone may have made complaints about me and I'm now being stymied

the fact that a system can be abused does not mean that arbitrary bad things that happen to you, afraid of being abused, are signs of the system being abused

yes, you are connecting your fear ("someone may have made complaints about me") with an arbitrary bad thing that is happening

the connection seems very real to you, probably due to the intensity of the fear

but to others it seems very, very unlikely, including for the reasons explicated above

and we (at least I) feel concern for you because feeling such intense fear, and connecting unconnected things via that fear, must be unpleasant for you

tl;dr - 504 are just 504s, no one is messing with you.

It's happened to me on other sites

the fact that it has happened before, including to you, does not mean it is happening again

or that its happening is very likely in a generic sense

I understand that you are afraid of it happening to you again

but it's ok? :D

I guess...

I reiterate what others have said, I like you and appreciate your contribution

and I'm certainly not giving you 504s! :D

Hmm, so it appears I only get 504 errors when I try to cast votes from a link followed from the subscription screen

e-mail*

huh, weird! but relevant, probably?

I can edit fine from the main interface

[03:56] <CallerNo6> hawke1, I think of track titles as 'recording credits' if that's your question. <-- I totally do that as well

we really need to fix/edit/moderinise the emails we send out, both edit emails, subscription emails and dread.. "no votes" emails