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do usually albums have 2-3 different tracks in different editions?

hawke1: don't confuse him

gcilou: (I mean, I guess the difference is that you have a bunch of remixes of *two* tracks instead of one)

but that's a single

not an album

lol, why's it called that then? Sometime's they do CatQuest. *her ;)

erh.....

all I know is. the *artist* calls it a maxi-single

in japan, they also have mini-album (or had anyway)

hm, it sounds weird. Like a single means like 1 so maxi-single means..more than 1.. like an album.

if the artist or label wae defines it as such and such. why not just use it

gcilou: historical reasons -- originally the single was the 7-inch 45rpm record, one song per side.

albums uh.. usually have from 5 to 20+ songs ll different?

In the 70s there were a few where they fit one or two more songs on, those were called "maxi-singles"

and there are singles *from* albums

and then in the 80s with the CD they could fit even more stuff on.

in the house and electronic etc scene, it's not unusual for a single to have 4-7 track, but they are all mixes and remixes of one track

(and sometimes it meant "the 12cm version of the single")

sometimes some odd track is tacked on too

Yeah, but I think the more categories to define things you have, the more confusing it is to actually do anything.. Like I'm working on a release editor tutorial which is past 10 min already because there's so much to explain

CatQuest: Usually it's 2 songs so you have the traditional A side and B side -- they just give a bunch of remixes of the A side usually.

hawke1: ja.. contemporary scheen I mean. since it's all digital :)

gcilou: yea but see. that's the *pint* artists (those scoundrels) don't just put themselves in a big box of "this and that"

they are ll over the place and define new things al lthe time

Yup. "Don't you dare define me"

to be .. y'anno, "artistic"

Record companies sometimes do box them up, but they have serious ADHD about it.

but "mini album" is a thing ™ and "maxi-single" is a thing ™

(I mean, they try hard to categorize things so they can say what they're selling)

and if we can actually talk about these being *things* thne

CatQuest: It's hard to talk about these being things when we can't even say what we're talking about ...

Yeah. If only it were simple enough as "song" and "group of songs"

yes but.. when is *anything* a defined *thing* that defined? hello? lables?

"artist" ?

"company" ?

You're not wrong. :-D

.. "soundtrack vs calssical"

:D

Hmm.

lol

I am however, horribly spelling wrong

CatQuest: http://www.discogs.com/King-Britt-Presents-Sylk... is kind of close to that ... release you were asking about.

>___<

hawke1: indeed

i was looking at that

Hmm. Not even language.

odd with the messed up tracknum

reosarevok: :D

CatQuest: yeah. And some of the track lengths are quite different.

hmm. is reosarevok well defined?

So I think it's probably not that one.

hawke1: yes :(

that's why i didn't go for that

but it could be, depends on if they screwed up. :-)

yes

"You can't have more than 5 songs on that album" "Ok, I'll just do 6 six songs but name two of the number 5"

*them

sure, probably

or jsut data entry error

Yeah, probably that

how can I merge a release (1 medium) into the second medium of another release ?

Lotheric: edit the release, set the single medium as "disc 2"

going to try that, thanks :)

Lotheric: let me know if you need an approval

I'm merging some Ginette Reno albums from a box set : https://beta.musicbrainz.org/artist/cb34ff6c-43...

reosarevok: i thought it would be autoedit if edited right after release add http://beta.musicbrainz.org/edit/36878210 no ?

AFAIK yes. bitmap?

Hey channel - I'm trying to setup the musicbrainz server on my local ubuntu server and am getting an error trying to run the compile resources script ReferenceError: Map is not defined - any ideas?

cultron: better ask in #metabrainz

will do - thanks

loujine: going to send an autoeditor nomination unless you don't want me to for some reason :p

(your early mistakes are basically gone and you've done ridiculous amounts of great work so there's no reason not to by now - should have happened months ago really :) )

So confirm you're ok with it and I'll click the button

http://noisey.vice.com/blog/an-interview-with-a... Ouch.

reosarevok: Nice article, I like it.

Though I'm not 100% sure that basing everything on playlist title is the right way to go.

Well sure, but I guess it's as much as you can get with Spotify and the like

"We asked a smart person"

#science

ruaok: ^ check that article, if you didn't see it yet.

"For an even more exasperating example of this, look no further than metal, a genre whose internal squabbles make punk and Middle Eastern politics look reasonable by comparison. "

jup, can confirm

HM!

A prescriptivist, otherwise known as a grammar nerd, will fume at the way the meaning of words change over time, but a descriptivist like Daniels instead suggest that words, and genres like punk, don’t mean what they mean, but rather are defined by how we actually use them.

that's an important point also

"Genre is one of the worst ways to make people angry in a conversation about music because everyone disagrees about what’s what. "

" It’s always been this amorphous thing, whether something is a sub-genre of another thing. It’s kind of a meaningless discussion because there is no true definition and it’s always evolving."

i think i love this guy

I blame the word "genre". It just /sounds/ like a top-level box that something either fits in or doesn't. We are stupid taxonomizers.

fun fact: taxonomy itself is not set in stone and streight edget either. things are categorised differently in different systems

(i leanred from bio :D)

but stupid will always be stupid! it's a constant!

So, rather than say "hey, all categories are fluid", I'd rather say "don't bring categories to a description fight"

CallerNo6: what would you have instead?

Instead of categories?

Yeah.

And how would you prevent descriptions from turning into categories?

haha, that's like the most important question in human history. can I think about it a mintue?

nah.

To start, I'd choose terms that didnt /sound/ like categories :-) (like "genre")

must have instant answers.

Anyway, I think trying to be descriptive doesn't work too well mostly.

That probably depends on what you're trying to accomplish, doesn't it?

Yes, I suppose so.

Most stuff I've seen when trying to be descriptive talks about mood and such...

If your goal is categorization, then four out of five dentists recommend catetories.

The only goal I can think of with genres is essentially music recommendation.

I like 'x', that artist's music is 'x', therefore I will like that artist's music.

oh, sidenote, I played this for my 9 yr old nephew: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7Khz2vL6Uc ... within five seconds he was like "that can't be wedding music, it's in a minor key!"

heh.

(then we made a lego catapult that fires cheerios. as one does.)

reosarevok: thanks! Would be glad to hear what mistakes I should avoid in future.

So. Our classical guidelines are at https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Classical

The first change is that the album artist should be "Микола Віталійович Лисенко; Олександр Козаренко" .- or some variation of it

(maybe removing the Віталійович is better - depends on what the cover says and makes sense in the language and I don't speak Ukrainian :) )

reosarevok: so you mean it should be "<composer>; <performer>", right?

Yup :)

okay

(track artist should be just the composer, so that bit was fine - I've momentarily changed it to the pianist to change the recording artist but I'll change it back)

For the title, https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Classical says The Release title should not contain performers unless they are clearly part of the title as in "Bernstein Conducts Stravinsky." The Release title should not contain composers except for titled releases containing their names as above, or for multi-composer releases as outlined below.

I guess this album could be seen as called with that full name, or just "Фортепіанна музика" with the artists only in the artist field. I'm fine with either :)

Is it really Keep Case? (so, DVD-sized plastic case - just making sure)

Yes

Ok :)