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Augmente: Choose “auto-edits” instead of “edits” after “Show me”. Thank Freso for the finding. This will be clarified with MBS-9843.

MBS-9843: Clarify ((non-)auto-)edit search condition https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/MBS-9843

I'm currently importing this release: https://cheapbeatsmusic.bandcamp.com/album/pop, and track 10 is both attributed to an artist and includes a feat. mention of the same artist. How should I enter this? (as an artist ft. themselves doesn't really make sense)

probably just an error

it's not like that on the cd cover

Oh good point

I'll do it like that, thanks

yvanzo: I don't think they're still here…

Freso: Just in case he checks logs. I added him as ticket watcher anyway.

I got to use MusicBrainz for a class to look at the influence of a specific artist's influence over time (specifically Queen) as measured by number of covers and who has covered them. https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1zJgRq46...

I thought some data nerds (or Queen fans) might find this fun :D

All we did was count works that were not by the original artist (i.e. Queen) and were explicitly labeled as a cover

Then had some fun with how to graph and visualize the data

I love the fact that it took maybe 1-2 hours to put all of this together too

<3 MusicBrainz

jwf, MusicBrainz loves you too!

A+

hello everyone, I'm new to MusicBrainz. And I look forward to contributing aplenty

As do we RainySky. ;-) Welcome to the community.

thanks!

And you've already found a place to ask if you have questions. You should also check out the discussion forun at https://community.metabrainz.org/ if you haven't already.

*forum*

yeah, thanks. I didn't know about the forum. I do have plenty of questions but I'll first see the pace of the channel before flooding it or so xD

I tried tagging a handful of very niche albums and the documentation overwhelmed me, lol

No problem. If you're unsure about something don't hesitate to ask.

thank you rdswift

the pace is generally slow, but if you have any questions, just ask away. someone will likely answer it later (:

Leo_Verto: \o/

RainySky: Hi, welcome! o/

alright then, let me put my thoughts in order first

right out of the bat I can say that they are mostly transliteration and translation issues involving Japanese

It may take a while because most of the major players are in Europe and India, but eventually someone will come back with a response. If you have a technical issue (e.g. something is broken on the website), best to ask in #metabrainz because that's where most of the developers hang out.

duly noted. But I think all my issues is not knowing how to deal with edits to the database. Either I don't understand the documentation or it doesn't directly address my issues

Okay, I can't help with the translation stuff (English only I'm afraid), but there are a few around that should be able to help. HibiscusKazeneko is one that comes to mind, but I see she's not logged in at the moment. I suggest that you go ahead and ask your specific questions (here and/or in the forum).

I think you'll find that quite a few members will gladly help someone else get started entering data. :-)

thanks, I'm glad to hear

ok, I condensed one question I have

no, wait. Nvm. Gotta think this through

Also, just so you know the user interface is one of the things that currently being worked on to make it more visually appealing, informative, and easier to follow. Something we all look forward to seeing.

oh nice. Indeed!

RainySky: what documentation bits are you struggling with?

mostly the transliteration and translation ones

for example, I have albums with songs that never got an official english tracklist

so they can have transliterated or translated options. I rather translated myself

but the part of making a pseudo release to input those translations makes my head hurt

especially considering those tracks can appear thorough many albums

A pseudo release is just a separate release

But with less info added to it

That you can then link to the original Japanese release

But yes, they map to the Japanese releases, so if you want to translate releases with different tracklists you do need different pseudoreleases

my head just tries to find a simpler way to add a translation to the song. Like, a latin characters translated field

and precisely what you last wrote is what makes it hard to grasp for me

You can add a translation to a song, but that only will help to find the song in a search. It won't be copied to each album or anything, sadly

and I think I also had the misfortune of finding a case where the same version of the song has different ids in two different albums, lol. So that might had contributed to feeling overwhelmed about it

I wish there were a way to do that. That's my biggest roadblock when trying to figure out how to contribute to some foreign releases

kinda like how it happens with artists. Most have a roman(?) spelling

is there a right place where I can suggest a simplification for translations?

The thing is track titles and song titles are not the same :)

For example, a song can be called "This Song", but appear on an album as "Dis Song" or something. We'd want to store the translation for the track title in the album specifically

https://musicbrainz.org/release/ea59c77e-1c73-4... is an example of a pseudo-release that seems decent, if you want to see how they work, at least

We're planning to make it a bit simpler, by turning it into just an "alternative tracklist" for a release

But that'll take a while :)

oh yeah I can see how that would complicate matters

(and will still be one for each release)

relationships are a ***** xD

(just that at least it doesn't require creating *another* release as a pseudo release)

oh thank God, that sounds just about right

but then would those alternate tracklists apply to all re-releases or just one? Cuz I could see that involving a lot of redundant data

I'm not sure exactly how that'd be done :)

bitmap might know

duly noted

ok, a question: I have this author (3f5999c4-6647-45a1-90d6-857c667ca80b) ????, and Picard grabs his name as Kensuke Ushio. So far so good

But then I have this one (eba08bea-f9cd-4e6f-94a6-d7b0149f4676) ?????, but Picard does not grab her romanized name, Avu-chan. It grabs it in japanese characters

where do I go about editing so as to fix this?

why would u want to "fix" it?

your second artist does not have an english alias

Yeah, you mostly need to make sure they have English aliases (possibly set as primary for English, not sure if that's a requisite for Picard)

well, the first artist does not have any english aliases either: https://musicbrainz.org/artist/3f5999c4-6647-45...

just some artist credits

maybe sortname is taken, or the release was already credited with his english name

I thought aliases weren't taken when tagging

and no, the release was under the japanese-written name. You can check in the Devilman crybaby soundtrack

(I think...)

unless you got this release, which as his english name: https://beta.musicbrainz.org/release/03ca869d-a...

the alt tracklists would apply to just one release but it'd be possible to copy them to others

I see. That sounds good enough

uhm, that release has the album artist in english, but not the track artists. Weird how Picard went around that

[19:47] <jwf> I thought some data nerds (or Queen fans) might find this fun :D

:O I am both

what did I miss about Queen?