"Having a centralized database and set standards for music metadata — Jackson’s idea of an IMDb for music — sounds like a straightforward goal, but getting there has stumped many of music’s largest and most powerful entities for decades. "
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darwin
uh...
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darwin
" The creation of a global centralized database for song metadata has been attempted multiple times, but has always ended in failure. "
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darwin
I mean
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darwin
I guess it depends on what one means by "centralized"
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SothoTalKer
it meand available for all rights holders
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SothoTalKer
the metadata is different from what mb collects ^^
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nelgin
If only all the music companies would dump their catalogs then people can build databases. I've just picked up 2600+ CDs and maybe half of them with barcodes are not found. This makes me sad because I have to do a lot of manual entry.
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SothoTalKer
check discogs
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darwin
(they're not in discogs?)
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SothoTalKer
discogs has a lot mb does not have yet
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SothoTalKer
since the userbase is larger and its basically a marketplace :)
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nelgin
Yeah but I find some of their data can be hit or miss. I find musicbrainz to be much more comprehensive. Plus, I can run my own local mirror so I can hit 1000 queries without having to worry about flood control or anything.
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SothoTalKer
where do you add your releases? locally? :P
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SothoTalKer
many releases lack a lot of metadata. barcodes for example
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nelgin
Into my own database
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nelgin
Right, which is really what I am after.
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FichteFoll
Discords Has The Better Standards
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FichteFoll
*Discogs
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nelgin
If only i could download their database :)
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SothoTalKer
it has standards? :P
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FichteFoll
Like Capitalizing Every Word For No Godforsaken Reason
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FichteFoll
Can't Even Properly Import From There
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nelgin
Oh, they do have a dump.
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SothoTalKer
because "Why Not"
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nelgin
in xml format! 6.6gb of xml. Geez.
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SothoTalKer
only?
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SothoTalKer
you never downloaded the VIAF dataset :D
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nelgin
Why would I?
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FichteFoll
alas, I wrote a script to build a tracklist for MB to import based on mediainfo data https://x0.at/m8-.py
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FichteFoll
in case anyone finds that useful
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SothoTalKer
because it is bigger
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SothoTalKer
a single 140 GB xml
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SothoTalKer
well, not really xml. each dataset is a line in the file containing the VIAF number and after that the data for this entry in XML :D
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SothoTalKer
nelgin: you do not wish to share the metadata of your releases with us? (:
dunno, isnt it double work to add it first locally and then online? :P
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nelgin
You can't add it a local mirror.
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nelgin
"This is a MusicBrainz mirror server. To edit or make changes to the data, please return to musicbrainz.org."
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SothoTalKer
ah, you made a mirror server :)
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nelgin
Yes
2019-12-27 36147, 2019
nelgin
But I have my own database, so I can keep track of what CDs I have, what tracks are on them and where they're stored.
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SothoTalKer
ah (:
2019-12-27 36100, 2019
nelgin
I have written a perl script that'll use a barcode scanner on my phone which will paste the barcode into my shell and then look it up, if there's a result add to a file that I'll use as a datbase import. I can go back and fix things in musicbrainz as I come across them. It'll also look up typed or scanned D numbers (the EMI music club or whatever) and typed catalog numbers.
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nelgin
but even then I still have stacks that can't be found and will have to be searched manually.
2019-12-27 36153, 2019
nelgin
Maybe I can try a discogs barcode lookup to get the artist and release, then look that up on musicbrainz.
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SothoTalKer
if discogs has the barcode, which is also not always the case, sadly
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darwin
I'd bet musicbrainz has a lot more digital-only bandcamp music than discogs...
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SothoTalKer
you cant sell those, so yes
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darwin
(discogs has more non-bandcamp digital music, because of the "discogs digital" which is a re-skin (?) of junodownload
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SothoTalKer
discogs has more vinyl releases :D
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nelgin
Vinyl is another matter because of that came along before barcodes.
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Freso
reosarevok: I have been trying to find a Release with as-good-or-better relationships and general amount of data on it exactly to replace it. I didn’t find a good candidate yet though. :(
looks like the actual track credits are all over the place too, which IMHO further supports the circle name as artist + people tagged in specific roles model
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Yaniel
so Vocis Helix
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FichteFoll
it looks to be a circle specifically for the collab, though
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FichteFoll
artist credits for the tracks will be the same as for the release
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FichteFoll
which would support the circle as it's more general
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FichteFoll
hm, I don't see a chorus vocals role. just normal vocals for that and lead for the other?
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Yaniel
someone else probably knows that part better than me
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FichteFoll
hm, I could make it say "choir vocals [chorus]"
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Yaniel
they might have mean choir vocals to begin with
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FichteFoll
let me listen to it real quick; maybe it also qualifies as "lead"
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Yaniel
I wouldn't be surprised if "choir" and "chorus" were confused there
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Yaniel
especially considering what the preview on that page
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Yaniel
-what
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FichteFoll
I think background vocals fits better
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Freso
darwin: If you know of a release as descriptive as the R. Kelly one linked on the Nutshell page, please do let me know and I will be most delighted to replace the link. (Or you can go replace it in the wiki.)
2019-12-27 36105, 2019
Yaniel
damn this channel is getting expensive
2019-12-27 36153, 2019
darwin
Freso: yeah, unfortunately I don't, it is really a masterpiece of credits
