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      • echarlie
        riddle me this: why does discogs have 2 obviously duplicate versions of the same release, one with the catalogue nr set to the UPC? c.f. https://musicbrainz.org/edit/69754285 (yes, also vote whoring)
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      • chaban
        Those are unique releases as far as Discogs is concerned: https://support.discogs.com/hc/en-us/articles/360…
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      • sublim20
        hey all. been going through documentation, online examples and whatnot. trying to understand the structure of the data of music brainz, and how to properly query it. ive had some success, but i'd like to ask this question. How would one find what album, a song appeared on.
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      • sublim20
        for example, what album did, artist=guns and roses, trackTitle=welcome to the jungle, appear on.
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      • sublim20
        that should be queried from the 'release', database, correct?
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      • crism
        sublim20: This query: https://musicbrainz.org/search?query=%22Welcome+t… will find you all the recordings of that title by artists with that name. Some of those recordings are on multiple releases, though…
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      • crism
        I don’t believe you can search for releases by track title.
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      • sublim20
        crism, thanks for the response. theres gotta be a way
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      • DjSlash
        I'm not sure what to do with this release: https://musicbrainz.org/release/81971724-6e26-3b1… it's been added without reference, it claims to be the US release, but according to discogs (https://www.discogs.com/Dannii-Minogue-Neon-Night…) that one has an extra track
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      • Rotab
        looks like the claim to be the US release was wrongly added by someone else
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      • Rotab
        it looks more lik the cassette..
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      • King_DuckZ
        hi, in picard if I select multiple songs and drag&drop a new cover for them it doesn't work, it seems to only work for one song at time, is that a bug?
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      • DjSlash
        Rotab: hmm, yeah, it's too hard to tell. Hence my doubt what to do with it
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      • DjSlash
        meanwhile it has two disc ids, which are being shared with other releases...
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      • bricas
        Seeking advice regarding a comment added to an older edit of mine: https://musicbrainz.org/edit/59090858 -- can someone educate me on musicbrainz def'n of "remix" ?
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      • yvanzo
        Not sure there is one, it is not clearly defined in https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Release_Group/Type
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      • yvanzo
        “foo RG contains foo stuff” doesn’t help to figure out what “foo” is... so any improvement on that would be welcome.
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      • bricas
        @yvanzo yeah, i read that and then immediately came here :)
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      • bricas
        I'm not sure if the user is claiming there is a discernable different between a remix like "single mix" "<year> mix" and a "mashup" of songs?
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      • bricas
        I mean, if that doesn't count, then is NIN's "Fixed" album not a remix album then?
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      • yvanzo
        I would say, if that user knows better about remix, he would be welcome to improve the MB documentation (it's not a joke, it's a wiki).
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      • CatQuest
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      • CatQuest
        (its glourious history, but)
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      • bricas
        Excellent. I feel like this shows that yes, it's "technically" a mash-up, but there's no suitable way to show that other than the "Remix" release group type
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      • CatQuest
        well there are recording-recording mashup links
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      • CatQuest
        and do take what is written there with grains of salt. things have changed after it!
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      • CatQuest
        (we shouls maybe update this, but the discusion on the talk page and put it into non-history again (or something))
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      • CatQuest
        reosarevok what do you know about remix/mix/dj-mix relationships+ release-group types? :D
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      • yvanzo
        Not sure why reosarevok moved it to history then, but that was about 10 years ago.
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      • CatQuest
        very likly because 90% of what's written on it is outdated or discussion
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      • CatQuest
        (se refrenches to "track-track" relations)
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      • bricas
        So, my plan is to ignore this comment then. :) There is no evidence to me that shows it is clearly NOT a remix -- if the user wants it changed, they can do so as musicbrainz was designed.
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      • reosarevok
        Not a lot :)
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      • reosarevok
        I'm not sure I'd call this a remix album either, but I'm not sure what I'd call it :D
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      • reosarevok
        So maybe Remix is the least bad
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      • bricas
        I'm good with that :)
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      • bricas
        thanks y'all.
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      • sublim20
        after find a release group, or a releases id. how can one find/show track info for the item, (as in name of the position, etc)
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      • sublim20
        i've tried various inc= statements, but nothing seems to show track info. for example: http://musicbrainz.org/ws/2/release-group/0430d8c…
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      • yvanzo
        sublim20: with inc=recordings on release id: http://musicbrainz.org/ws/2/release/159be5fc-fc1e…
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      • King_DuckZ
        hi, in picard if I select multiple songs and drag&drop a new cover for them it doesn't work, it seems to only work for one song at time, is that a bug?
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      • reosarevok
        outsidecontext, zas ^
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      • sublim20
        yvanzo, that worked like a charm. is there a way to include such information with a recording search? http://musicbrainz.org/ws/2/recording/?query=arti…
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      • sublim20
        cause that query returns the songs track position, and total number of tracks in the release section, but that's it.
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      • sublim20
        in essence, the goal of the query is this, given an artist name, and recording name, what album does this appear on, and what are the tracks on that album?
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      • sublim20
        it seems to do that, would require two queries, one to find the release ids, and then one to pull up that track info for that release
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      • yvanzo
        sublim20: AFAIK, it requires separate queries.
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      • sublim20
        yvanzo, got it. thanks for the help and conversation.
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      • yvanzo
        you're welcome :)
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      • sublim20
        heya, do you know of a link,or a website, that has a bunch of query examples? (besides the ones of the musicbrainz site)
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      • yvanzo
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      • sublim20
        haha. hmmm. *turns to judges* *judges murmur for a bit, but nod* we'll allow it
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      • sublim20
        there's surprisingly few articles on the web showing example query usage on musicbrainz. and the documentation, while thorough, can be over whelming for a someone new
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      • yvanzo
        otherwise, there are 3rd-party bindings that can help you with querying MB: https://musicbrainz.org/doc/External_Resources#We…
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      • sublim20
        that might be useful to peruse. thanks
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      • echarlie
        here's a subtle one; I think I did the right thing, but I'm not sure: https://musicbrainz.org/edit/69776167
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      • echarlie
        one copy seems to have the track artists all listed correctly, but listed the album artist as "various", despite it clearly being bang on a can (and was missing a lot of data). the other had almost everything correct, but many of the track artists were listed as "bang on a can"...
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      • echarlie
        so both had errors, but not the same errors.
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      • echarlie
        definitely would appreciate review from reosarevok if you get a chance.
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      • reosarevok
        echarlie: the general idea seems good, but the track artists should be changed
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      • reosarevok
        That said, I think the track titles for the one you're merging into are better, so just changing the track artists there is probably the best option
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      • reosarevok
        If you can be bothered I can approve :)
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      • crism
        echarlie, see the original comments from thomnottom at https://musicbrainz.org/release/ada83fa1-bf21-4da… … clearly intended to be merged, but also clear intent that Bang on a Can are the performers.
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      • reosarevok
        Yes, but the track artists should be the composers anyway since this is classical :)
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      • echarlie
        well "classical". :) indeed, this was in WUVT's "NCP Jazz" shelf, annoyingly seperated from all the rest of the CRi
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      • echarlie
        but that makes a lot more sense; import causes quirks
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      • echarlie
        on a related note there, track 6, "a pond within the drifting dusk" is quite emphatically not capitalised on the liner notes. This should be reflected in the tracklist, but not the recording title?
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      • echarlie
        okay, I think I got that all right. still not sure how they're attributing these all to "bang on a can all-stars"; I know some of the albums were released as such, but not everything. I may correct that, too.