the oracle arena is still the same building it was
2013-11-20 32411, 2013
derwin
before it was renamed the oracle arena
2013-11-20 32458, 2013
CallerNo6
derwin: sure, but why treat it any differently from anything else (like an artist) with a name change?
2013-11-20 32408, 2013
CallerNo6
drsaunde: yeah, that's what I expected.
2013-11-20 32406, 2013
CallerNo6
derwin: to clarify, I'm not arguing for what we should do. I'm just trying to stay consistent with what we've _been_ doing.
2013-11-20 32447, 2013
derwin
CallerNo6: yeah, makes sense, in context. just I think arenas change names more often than bands. :/
2013-11-20 32432, 2013
CallerNo6
that does seem to be the trend. yuck.
2013-11-20 32442, 2013
derwin
" In San Francisco, the Giants have played in one ballpark with three names in 12 years: Pacific Bell, SBC and AT&T Park. "
2013-11-20 32414, 2013
CallerNo6
We should just call it Ma Bell Park and be done with it.
2013-11-20 32418, 2013
derwin
Death Star Park
2013-11-20 32451, 2013
CallerNo6
that's what we call the mall in emeryville
2013-11-20 32431, 2013
CallerNo6
(a box canyon of grey polygons, with robotic peoploids wandering around -- feels more like it crash-landed than that it was built)
2013-11-20 32447, 2013
snartal rolls back in with fresh coffee and his todo list
2013-11-20 32412, 2013
derwin
oops
2013-11-20 32414, 2013
CallerNo6
oh, also, presumably some places will have relationships that only apply to one name/phase/era, so they'll need to be separate. e.g. http://beta.musicbrainz.org/place/48dd8d93-daf5-4… might be linked to Wall Heider.
2013-11-20 32433, 2013
CallerNo6
er, Wally
2013-11-20 32405, 2013
CallerNo6
but I'll have to hold my nose to enter a corporate-sponsored venue name
2013-11-20 32446, 2013
hawke_
CallerNo6: FWIW I would call it the same place as long as it is the ... same place. :-)
2013-11-20 32458, 2013
hawke_
Bars/clubs are perhaps a bit different, generally
2013-11-20 32425, 2013
CallerNo6 is not surprised that opinions vary :-)
2013-11-20 32451, 2013
reosarevok
JonnyJD: nope
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reosarevok
They're exactly the same area
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reosarevok
"
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Freso
jesus2099: But you haven't pointed out a wrong cover art, AFAICT. The one you linked to looks to me like it has exactly the same Front image. It isn't Front + Spine + Back, but, as I said, it doesn't have to be.
2013-11-20 32441, 2013
Freso
CallerNo6 derwin drsaunde: I tend to go with whether staff/management has largely been replaced in relation to a name change for whether to create a new Place or not. But I've also mostly had to deal with this for studios.
2013-11-20 32421, 2013
Freso
(So e.g., a place that's run by all the exact same people before and after a name change, but the primary sponsor just changed, I'd probably not create a new Place for. But one where the place was bought be a new entity and thus instated a completely new management, I probably would.)
2013-11-20 32430, 2013
Freso
But then again, Places are entities, and pretty new ones at that.
2013-11-20 32444, 2013
Freso
So if in doubt: create a new Place - they can always be merged later. ;)
2013-11-20 32437, 2013
CallerNo6
Freso, yeah, I guess with sponsorship I'm fine with aliases. I mean, like I said, nobody really uses those names anyway :-)
2013-11-20 32456, 2013
snartal
Doesn't seem change of sponsorship is an appropriate use of an alias.
2013-11-20 32454, 2013
Freso
snartal: If the official name of the place changes, I would add the old name to the Place's aliases.
2013-11-20 32408, 2013
Freso
Possibly the new one too, with a date qualifier.
2013-11-20 32404, 2013
CallerNo6
snartal: yeah, sorry, I was only talking about sponsorships that change the name of a venue. Like Candlestick Park vs 3Com Park. (blechh)
2013-11-20 32413, 2013
CallerNo6
(an aside: Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport will always be National. Sorry, Reaganites.)
2013-11-20 32403, 2013
CallerNo6
But I'm not completely decided. Part of me would rather stick to a strict(ish) one-name/one-MB-entity system for consistency.
2013-11-20 32440, 2013
CallerNo6
<grumble>Time to rebuild my washing machine for the second time</grumble>
2013-11-20 32448, 2013
Freso
CallerNo6: Stick to the one-name->one-place for now then. If there's a Style decision or otherwise consensus around another approach, they can be merged later.
2013-11-20 32458, 2013
Freso
CallerNo6: It's more difficult the other way around.
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nikki
CallerNo6: to stick with a one name, one entity would mean we ever had that, which we haven't :P
can i leave the title to whats it is? Under Release informatiom
2013-11-20 32428, 2013
MAvL
it says The Platinum Collection (Greatest Hits I, II & III) [Remastered]
2013-11-20 32401, 2013
MAvL
but all other albums are under The Platinum Collection
2013-11-20 32425, 2013
MAvL
also it's from the dutch itunes store do i have to fill the under release country?
2013-11-20 32416, 2013
kuno
MAvL: yes, many relases on itunes are not available in all stores worldwide. unless you go and check every country store, using the store you got it from seems the safest.
2013-11-20 32430, 2013
MAvL
So the store were i buy it is the release country
2013-11-20 32428, 2013
kuno
for itunes, yes.
2013-11-20 32404, 2013
MAvL
kuno, can i leave release title --> title to what it is
2013-11-20 32453, 2013
kuno
MAvL: so itunes says "The Platinum Collection (Greatest Hits I, II & III) [Remastered]" ?
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nikki
I wouldn't leave "[Remastered]" in there
2013-11-20 32407, 2013
MAvL
yes
2013-11-20 32409, 2013
nikki
but the rest seems fine
2013-11-20 32416, 2013
kuno
MAvL: I would move the Remastered to the disambiguation comment, or leave it off entirely.
2013-11-20 32433, 2013
MAvL
all other releases are under The Platinum Collection
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MAvL
okay
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jesus2099
what ?! a whole morning ? that’s typical of MB editing… :/
2013-11-20 32432, 2013
jesus2099
i was just listening to a CD and wanted a tracklist fix just one edit and i have been drowned into WHAT ?! 187 edits. ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY SEVEN EDITS BABY ! (sure the relationshup editor generated 161 of them)
2013-11-20 32417, 2013
jesus2099
MAvL + nikki : there is also the release duplicator that is feeding the release editor — another example ;) → https://userscripts.org/85790
2013-11-20 32456, 2013
nikki
MAvL was asking how to import an itunes release...
2013-11-20 32402, 2013
jesus2099
why am i always off topic ? because i read the highlighted lines in chatlogs only… :/
2013-11-20 32416, 2013
MAvL
:)
2013-11-20 32400, 2013
jesus2099
line containing the word “script” was highlighted and i deduced wrong question, sorry :)
