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      • Leftmost
        They appear to be a soloist as well, but...
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      • Leftmost
        http://musicbrainz.org/release/194c6779-d861-4768… (Cover lists "Wei Li, guzheng solo")
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      • Leftmost
        It doesn't help that I checked it out from a library and they appear to have just included photocopies of the front and back of the case, and not any liner notes.
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      • jacobbrett
        Leftmost: http://web.archive.org/web/19961102032850/http://… Unfortunately, most of the pages weren't archived in time.
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      • jacobbrett
        The biography just calls it "Outside"
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      • Leftmost
        Yeah.
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      • nikki
        Leftmost: but why multiple languages and multiple scripts?
      • 2013-04-02 09219, 2013

      • Leftmost
        nikki, there's a fair amount of Chinese written on the case as well.
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      • nikki
        you didn't enter any in mb though
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      • nikki points to https://beta.musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Release too :P
      • 2013-04-02 09228, 2013

      • Leftmost
        Ahh, okay. I've been doing that wrong, then. Thanks.
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      • Leftmost
        As I recall, the guidelines used to be a lot more hand-wavy, and I don't know that I'd read up on that in a while.
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      • Leftmost
        I'll fix it.
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      • Leftmost
        Done.
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      • nikki
        approved :P
      • 2013-04-02 09216, 2013

      • Leftmost
        Thanks for pointing that out.
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      • CallerNo6
        jacobbrett: oh, I'd never seen those stickers for disco volante. cool.
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      • CallerNo6
        abelcheung (if you're still around), going back to your "multiple numbers" question, I think you got it right. "Foo no. 2, op. 3. no. 1" makes sense to me.
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      • CatCat
        nikki: were was i supposed to edit that script that does artist splits again? can youhelp me
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      • CatCat
        UGH, i really wish i could get rid of tags like this http://musicbrainz.org/tag/1%207%20186240%20183%2…
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      • CatCat
        when attached to artists atleast
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      • CatCat
        :sigh: editing in the morning sure is lonely
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      • Leftmost
        CatCat, try being an American who goes to bed late. There's a stretch where it seems like everyone is asleep.
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      • CatCat
        uh yea? isn't that why noone is alive in the han? casue most of 'merica is now sleeping or things ar such as working
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      • CatCat
        alos hi leftmost!
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      • Leftmost
        We need more Asian editors. They'll be waking up before I go to bed.
      • 2013-04-02 09255, 2013

      • Leftmost
        Oh, CatCat, "Langdåns efter Byfåns Mats". What's that mean? Does anything need to be lowercased?
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      • DocPlatypus
        omg
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      • DocPlatypus
        someone added the raw TOC as a tag?
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      • DocPlatypus
        why?
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      • JonnyJD_
        Probably because the couldn't find "the real thing"
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      • DocPlatypus
        sigh
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      • Leftmost
        Do we not have a way to remove tags?
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      • JonnyJD_
        Leftmost: guess not. Tags are completely subjective "user things", aren't they
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      • JonnyJD_
        So you can only make more users provide better tags, so that TOC is only listed at the bottom.
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      • Leftmost
        Eh. I kind of hate tags anyhow.
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      • Leftmost
        At least on MB.
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      • Leftmost
        Hmm. We should get MusicBrainz cloaks.
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      • Freso
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      • abelcheung
        4
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      • abelcheung
        Leftmost, about http://musicbrainz.org/release/194c6779-d861-4768… ......... looks like the performer composed a few of the songs there
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      • Leftmost
        From what I've been able to find, he composed all of them, but I can't find any official sources. I may ask the library if they've retained the packaging.
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      • abelcheung
        According to so accompanied chinese text, he composed 5 of them
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      • Leftmost
        Hmm.
      • 2013-04-02 09241, 2013

      • abelcheung
        let me read more carefully....
      • 2013-04-02 09255, 2013

      • Leftmost
        Where did you find that? And does it say anything about the other composers?
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      • abelcheung
        nothing about other composers so far, though did mention some are from traditional songs
      • 2013-04-02 09248, 2013

      • abelcheung
        looking at this page, which is in chinese, hope you can get some info from google translate <--- http://music.dhifi.com/disc/2012/1025/120136.html
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      • Leftmost
        This album should probably use CSG, so any information you can find would be great.
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      • abelcheung
        performer composed 1-4, 6-8, 10, 12-14, 16-19 himself
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      • abelcheung
        I disagree about the CSG part though, since most are not classical music, though a few traditional chinese songs are performed
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      • abelcheung
        would be better think of it like an audiophile album
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      • Leftmost
        Hmm. What leads me to think it should be treated as classical is highlighting Wei Li as a soloist. That and the structure of superworks with individual parts sort of gives it the feel of a classical album.
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      • Leftmost
        Especially since Snowy River has adagio, allegro, etc.
      • 2013-04-02 09211, 2013

      • abelcheung
        well, about the structure.... i'll go ahead checking the compositions
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      • Leftmost
        I also wonder if it would be appropriate to include the Chinese names as part of the tracklist, since they are given inline rather than separately. Not really sure what to do with that one.
      • 2013-04-02 09204, 2013

      • Leftmost
        It just seems to me like there are a number of albums of traditional Chinese music mixed with contemporary compositions which are to be treated as though they were classical.
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      • Leftmost
        Google Translate suggests it should be treated as classical as well.
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      • abelcheung
        well, if your point is about the usage of movements as structure, then wouldn't deny that's classical music alike
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      • Leftmost
        Yeah.
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      • abelcheung
        About foreign language text......... isn't the usual way of handling it as pseudo-release?
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      • Leftmost
        It's sort of case-by-case for me.
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      • abelcheung
        if thinking like classical music, it's frequent to observe english-french-german texts together in back covers
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      • Leftmost
        When it's inline, I tend to include it as part of the track title. if it's separate, pseudo-release seems better.
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      • Leftmost
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      • Leftmost
        But compare http://musicbrainz.org/release/386112be-e2b5-452a…, where the Chinese tracklisting is separate.
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      • Leftmost
        I need to check that out again and create a pseudo-release for the Chinese.
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      • jesus2099
        bitmap: Hi bitmap, I was wondering if http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/104349 was still maintain ? it seems to not work properly for me, and was wondering… because now part of it is in MBS
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      • jesus2099
        hi Leftmost :)
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      • jesus2099
        sorry i try to rarely no vote
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      • Leftmost
        I don't have a problem with getting a no vote on an edit, as long as I know why and can respond.
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      • Leftmost
        A reasoned explanation of an opposing view is useful.
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      • jesus2099
        Leftmost: well the basic idea is just to copy release text as is complete without elaborating too much wondering, and not trying to put same title on each release if they are different
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      • Leftmost
        I'm well aware of the principle of copying the release text, and much prefer to do so, but in this case it's inconsistent, and so it required more consideration. As I've stated.
      • 2013-04-02 09252, 2013

      • jesus2099
        well… inconsisten between releases is not a problem as each release gets its name… inconsistent between cover and spine, is usually take the longest form, the most complete, be it aggregate of all in this case… anyway for th RG name, it seems more natural at first thought to take the original release title (1.OUTSIDE BLABLA blabla). I would not cut THE RISE AND FALL OF ZIGGY STARDUST AND THE SPIDERS FROM MARS just because
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      • jesus2099
        some spines only state ZIGGY STARDUST if i remember correctly
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      • Leftmost
        It's inconsistent on the release, and the cover and spine include different information.
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      • Leftmost
        As I've also stated.
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      • Leftmost
        http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=86093 is the release I have in hand, and it's one of the original releases.
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      • jesus2099
        some ZIGGY STARDUST versions do not include full title on spine
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      • jesus2099
        yes your release clearly shows 1.OUTSIDE + NATHAN ADLER BLABLA hyper cycle blabla imo
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      • jesus2099
        :)
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      • jesus2099
        someone searching short title will find it too
      • 2013-04-02 09246, 2013

      • Leftmost
        There's no 1. on the spine and no Nathan Adler on the cover. As I've also stated.
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      • jesus2099
        this is why it’s aggregated
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      • jesus2099
        as full title
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      • Leftmost
        Which I disagree with.
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      • Leftmost
        You're rehashing arguments that have been gone over. It's not really worthwhile.
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      • jesus2099
        NATHAN ADLER is not only part of the booklet (and even if it would, booklet is part of the release imo), it’s only some tracks on the CD
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      • jesus2099
        yes yes, I just meants sorry no votes
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      • jesus2099
        (you too btw) ;p
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      • jacobbrett
        Leftmost: Does "The Nathan Addler Diaries..." make sense as a subtitle to "Outside"--what's the context?
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      • Leftmost
        To an extent, perhaps, which is part of of why I've conceded that point in the discussion. I disagree that the cover art supports its use as such, largely because the front cover doesn't include it and I personally find the spine to be an untrustworthy source of titles, but consensus seems to favor it and it makes a certain degree of sense, so I'm not arguing that point any further.
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      • jacobbrett
        I think I'll stay on the fence. ;)
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      • JonnyJD_
        FYI: I released a beta version of isrcsubmit 2 (using WS/2): http://forums.musicbrainz.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2…
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      • hawke_1
        How should the same work in different languages be handled when both were written/published at the same time?
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      • hawke_1
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      • hawke_1
        “translated version of” seems wrong.
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      • hawke_1
        Or are they just the same work?
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      • hawke_1
        :-/
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      • reosarevok
        Are they a translation at all?
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      • hawke_1
        and…an instrumental recording of the song…is it a recording of both works?
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      • reosarevok
        "The lyrics for the English language version of the movie were written by Carl Sigman" seem to suggest they're not, but if they are, then that's what it is, translated version of
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      • hawke_1
        They are.
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      • hawke_1
        But which one should be considered the original?