To have correct original release dates for release groups, for one.
2013-04-21 11153, 2013
reosarevok_
Same here, if I had all the stuff I enter I'd be a millionaire :)
2013-04-21 11154, 2013
Leftmost
A lot, but not all.
2013-04-21 11103, 2013
reosarevok_
(well, I guess I wouldn't be anymore :) )
2013-04-21 11114, 2013
Leftmost
I also don't enter durations when entering CDs I have in hand, since I'm going to stick a disc ID on later.
2013-04-21 11114, 2013
nikki
discogs doesn't have much of what I edit
2013-04-21 11120, 2013
JonnyJD_
It is not trivial to find out the durations for vinyl releases
2013-04-21 11129, 2013
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2013-04-21 11148, 2013
Leftmost
Especially vinyl releases you don't own and can't even find a good tracklist for.
2013-04-21 11149, 2013
nikki
and I add stuff because I like adding stuff. not everyone edits solely for the purpose of tagging their files :P
2013-04-21 11101, 2013
kyomi
I just don't understand why you would add stuff you don't have or have even listened to
2013-04-21 11115, 2013
Leftmost
kyomi, then you're not really paying attention.
2013-04-21 11116, 2013
kyomi
It seems wrong to me
2013-04-21 11157, 2013
kyomi
If you're not even a fan of the music.. how do you know if you're getting it correct when you're just basing it on some website somewhere?
2013-04-21 11108, 2013
Leftmost
Who said anything about being a fan of the music?
2013-04-21 11116, 2013
kyomi
I did.. just then :P
2013-04-21 11143, 2013
Leftmost
Right. No one else did. I never said I enter releases for which I'm not a fan of the music.
2013-04-21 11150, 2013
reosarevok_
kyomi: I add stuff based on a) discogs b) iTunes c) library catalogues fairly often
2013-04-21 11104, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
FUUU one of these "eco" bullshit things blew a fuse
2013-04-21 11107, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
fuck 'em
2013-04-21 11117, 2013
kyomi
What if there were special cases with some of the music/titles that aren't widely known and you enter it in wrong because of that?
2013-04-21 11131, 2013
nikki
how do we ever know anything's correct? :P we can only go by what information we have available and if someone comes along later and suspects there's something wrong, they can see from the edit history where it came from
2013-04-21 11134, 2013
reosarevok_
Then we'll all be happy that people can edit the data :)
2013-04-21 11152, 2013
Leftmost
If I can't find full evidence for a release (pictures and all), I mark it low quality.
2013-04-21 11100, 2013
kyomi
I just assumed people added stuff that they had, since they know it was correct
2013-04-21 11110, 2013
reosarevok_
heh
2013-04-21 11112, 2013
nikki
and I trust official websites enough to not have huge mistakes
2013-04-21 11117, 2013
nikki
but they rarely ever have times
2013-04-21 11117, 2013
kyomi
Although that's probably my ocd bit going
2013-04-21 11122, 2013
reosarevok_
People add stuff they have disastrously quite often
2013-04-21 11133, 2013
reosarevok_ keeps fixing stuff entered by people who have it
2013-04-21 11140, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
FUCK
2013-04-21 11143, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
AGAIN!
2013-04-21 11151, 2013
kyomi
I *can't* add/edit something I know nothing about... just the idea of possibly having the wrong information
2013-04-21 11157, 2013
reosarevok_
ZaphodBeeblebrox: what's an eco bullshit? :p
2013-04-21 11110, 2013
Leftmost
I never add/edit anything I know nothing about.
2013-04-21 11110, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
erh lightbulb, did i forget that world :P
2013-04-21 11114, 2013
kyomi
ZaphodBeeblebrox:: You better slow down or you might bruise it
2013-04-21 11128, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
what?
2013-04-21 11129, 2013
Leftmost
I can know things about releases I don't have.
2013-04-21 11131, 2013
reosarevok_
kyomi: I also can't add something I know nothing about - where would I get the data ;)
2013-04-21 11108, 2013
kyomi
If you're adding something you never have/will listen to, you know nothing about it in my mind :)
2013-04-21 11117, 2013
reosarevok_
heh
2013-04-21 11121, 2013
Leftmost
And I can add/edit things where I know a fair bit of information, but far from all, and believe it's important that the release be in MB, then mark it low quality so others know it's not reliable.
2013-04-21 11122, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
huh
2013-04-21 11128, 2013
reosarevok_
Guess we should throw away all library catalogues then :)
2013-04-21 11132, 2013
kyomi
I guess that's a good idea.. but it doesn't seem right to me
2013-04-21 11133, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
like "hearing" is the only thing
2013-04-21 11156, 2013
kyomi
If it's not reliable.. why add it then?
2013-04-21 11103, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
i mean look guess Beethoven knew nothing bout his 9th symphony, i mean he couldn't HEAR it
2013-04-21 11116, 2013
kyomi
Why not have someone who has the correct information add it?
2013-04-21 11129, 2013
Leftmost
I also add releases for albums I own but have a different release of, so clearly hearing isn't everything.
2013-04-21 11135, 2013
reosarevok_
kyomi: why not have someone who has the correct information fix the one or two possible small mistakes? :p
2013-04-21 11147, 2013
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2013-04-21 11151, 2013
reosarevok_
will save them a lot of time, too :)
2013-04-21 11152, 2013
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2013-04-21 11154, 2013
Leftmost
What if no one happens to own a 1955 LP that I want to add?
2013-04-21 11159, 2013
kyomi
This is just coming from having multiple albums I've tagged that have no durations
2013-04-21 11112, 2013
CatCat
blup
2013-04-21 11123, 2013
reosarevok_
kyomi: huh, enter them?
2013-04-21 11129, 2013
kyomi
And it's just annoying me because I found the durations in like 5 seconds
2013-04-21 11139, 2013
reosarevok_
You will also save the effort of entering the rest of the release
2013-04-21 11140, 2013
kyomi
Why couldn't whoever add the release have done that?
2013-04-21 11146, 2013
kyomi
added*
2013-04-21 11102, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
a few time ago you couldn't add durations manually
2013-04-21 11108, 2013
reosarevok_
Why should they have? It's not like they're paid to get you the best content
2013-04-21 11120, 2013
reosarevok_
It's collaborative. If they do part, and you do other part, that's collaborating :p
2013-04-21 11122, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
so for example not the disc id and therefore couldn't dd duratins
2013-04-21 11124, 2013
nikki
kyomi: I add a lot of things when the info is posted to official sites and then later add extra info when I receive the release. I can't remember the last time I had to actually fix a *mistake*
2013-04-21 11133, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
t othings without discoids and to things where he cd wouldn't take
2013-04-21 11137, 2013
nikki
I think I might remember something from about two years ago where I had to fix something when I received it
2013-04-21 11149, 2013
kyomi
I know.. but if they went to the trouble of adding the whole release.. why did they suddenly get lazy when it came to track durations?
2013-04-21 11154, 2013
Leftmost
https://musicbrainz.org/release/1e7217e9-0595-4d0… <- If you can find someone who owns this release and wants to give some durations and a better tracklist, by all means. In the meantime, I want to have it indicated that the original release was in 1955.
2013-04-21 11104, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
i had a funny looking cd picture disc that my computer just would load (actually took me forever and a day to pry it out too)
kyomi: because it can be annoying? Because you have a CD scan but it doesn't list durations?
2013-04-21 11117, 2013
Leftmost
kyomi, because I totally haven't ever checked Discogs.
2013-04-21 11120, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
and you couldn't even *add* track durations manually , it wasn't about lazyness!
2013-04-21 11124, 2013
reosarevok_
Because you're downloading the stuff while adding it based on the official website's data and it doesn't include durations?
2013-04-21 11141, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
that too
2013-04-21 11146, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
yes
2013-04-21 11156, 2013
Leftmost
I've looked for good information on that release, and haven't found any.
2013-04-21 11159, 2013
reosarevok_
Because my library catalogue has plenty of info but not track duration, because Discogs data has it only some of the time
2013-04-21 11100, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
ah finally egg is online i can listen to music
2013-04-21 11106, 2013
kyomi
It just really annoys my OCD.. if you have incomplete information.. why enter it in hoping someone else has the rest of the information. Or why not research it to get the rest of the information>?
2013-04-21 11107, 2013
ListMyCDs joined the channel
2013-04-21 11115, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
kyomi: READ MY TEXT
2013-04-21 11133, 2013
Leftmost
I research all the time, but that doesn't mean I'll find anything.
2013-04-21 11155, 2013
Leftmost
I would rather have incomplete information than no information.
2013-04-21 11156, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
in musicbrainz you COULDN'T add trackdurations manually before,
kyomi, because partial information is *much* better than no information
2013-04-21 11139, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
so it isn't about lazynss
2013-04-21 11145, 2013
kyomi
If you have no durations, why not just use the duration of the actual music?
2013-04-21 11147, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
and i kind of take offence at you implying that
2013-04-21 11155, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
did you read my text?
2013-04-21 11159, 2013
kyomi
Yes
2013-04-21 11106, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
r
2013-04-21 11108, 2013
nikki
kyomi: you need to realise that not everyone has your ocd. not everyone cares about having every field filled in (e.g. if you only care about tagging your files, track times are pretty irrelevant)
2013-04-21 11114, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
and i had to use a stick to get it out fro tmhere
2013-04-21 11137, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
how the hell am i gonna get the trackdirations ?
2013-04-21 11150, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
time the fukcign thing as it play in my cdplayer?
2013-04-21 11151, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
get real
2013-04-21 11114, 2013
Leftmost
reosarevok_, would you enter that as three label entries with 18264, 18265, 18266?
2013-04-21 11116, 2013
nikki doesn't even have a cd player :P
2013-04-21 11126, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
hahah exactly
2013-04-21 11131, 2013
kyomi
nikki: I know, I wasn't trying to start some kind of coup or something.. I was just wanting to know why someone would add something without track durations. I'm not talking about extremely old stuff that's hard to figure out, but more recent stuff
2013-04-21 11139, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox has a few broken ones as he' gadget'o'phile
2013-04-21 11146, 2013
Leftmost
I found a few copies of it for sale on ebay, but the sellers couldn't/wouldn't give me tracklist info or the like.
2013-04-21 11149, 2013
kyomi
The release that started this was an album from 2004
2013-04-21 11157, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
and maybe it's rare
2013-04-21 11106, 2013
kyomi
Which you could *easily* find info for
2013-04-21 11108, 2013
Leftmost
kyomi, we've told you why and you're still asking, though.
2013-04-21 11110, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
and in 2004 we *definitly* could't add trackdurations manually
2013-04-21 11125, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
and perhaps none had the disc
2013-04-21 11135, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
but you're welcome to do the research and add them
2013-04-21 11103, 2013
kyomi
I've only been using MB for the past few years, so what you're saying is that there was no way to add durations and it somehow inferred it directly from the disc?
2013-04-21 11114, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
earlier , yes
2013-04-21 11116, 2013
reosarevok_
taken from a discID I assume, yes
2013-04-21 11119, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
yes
2013-04-21 11123, 2013
kyomi
OK
2013-04-21 11131, 2013
kyomi
That makes more sense
2013-04-21 11133, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
yo ucoudl add durations only trough import form freed or discid earleir
2013-04-21 11142, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
i've already said as much twice
2013-04-21 11144, 2013
reosarevok_
some people add everything, some people add only the bits they care about (and durations are kinda useless for normal tagging since you have the files themselves anyway)
2013-04-21 11149, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
poring you didn't read my text
2013-04-21 11157, 2013
reosarevok_
Some people add no credits, some people add credits even for the photographers
2013-04-21 11159, 2013
kyomi
So add it through freeid and then import it?.. heh
2013-04-21 11102, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
also what reo and everyone is satying
2013-04-21 11119, 2013
kyomi
But yes, I got my answer to the quest
2013-04-21 11120, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
none is *obliged* to add everything, it's annoying, maybe yes, but its not illigal
2013-04-21 11121, 2013
kyomi
+tion
2013-04-21 11147, 2013
Leftmost
I prefer to add everything, but I add what's available and prioritize what's important.
2013-04-21 11153, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
kyomi: the disc i had wasn't in freed >_< obviously
2013-04-21 11103, 2013
reosarevok_
You're welcome to add as much detail as you want (thanks!). That doesn't mean everyone needs to be as detailed as you are, or we wouldn't have half of the data we have anyway :)
2013-04-21 11112, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
indeed
2013-04-21 11125, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
i wonder what that picture disk is now.. hmm, i could scan it now :D
