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      • CatQuest
        but we don't really use any special fancy quotes in norwegian ""
      • 2013-05-28 14846, 2013

      • CatQuest
        no nikki because listen:
      • 2013-05-28 14854, 2013

      • CatQuest
        i just wrote a paper today in norwegian
      • 2013-05-28 14858, 2013

      • derwin
        isn't norweigan just a degenerate form of swedish?
      • 2013-05-28 14805, 2013

      • derwin trolls in a nordic fashion
      • 2013-05-28 14805, 2013

      • CallerNo6 chuckles
      • 2013-05-28 14844, 2013

      • CatQuest
        it is my final advanced norwegian exam, derwin go to hell, and everything matters, wher i put my commas, what kind of upperletters go after the dots etc the works
      • 2013-05-28 14855, 2013

      • CatQuest
        but NO ONE cares about if i use " and - and '
      • 2013-05-28 14826, 2013

      • CatQuest
        and not.. uh i acctually don't know what the "correct" norwegian quote is
      • 2013-05-28 14834, 2013

      • hawke_1
        apparently «»
      • 2013-05-28 14842, 2013

      • hawke_1
        or »«
      • 2013-05-28 14843, 2013

      • CatQuest
        yes those
      • 2013-05-28 14849, 2013

      • nikki
        just because norwegian is like that doesn't mean every language is
      • 2013-05-28 14856, 2013

      • derwin
        hahaha, lol
      • 2013-05-28 14802, 2013

      • CatQuest
        and tellingly, they are NOT in my keylayaou, i can't even find it in "characters"
      • 2013-05-28 14803, 2013

      • hawke_1
        or „“
      • 2013-05-28 14806, 2013

      • derwin
        actual lols :)
      • 2013-05-28 14814, 2013

      • hawke_1
      • 2013-05-28 14820, 2013

      • CatQuest
        the point is, nobody cares
      • 2013-05-28 14830, 2013

      • nikki
        maybe I should start using german quotes in english. I mean, they're all correct and nobody cares, right? :P
      • 2013-05-28 14838, 2013

      • CatQuest
        not even my norwegian teacher, who is a MEMBER fo the norwegian language council!
      • 2013-05-28 14848, 2013

      • CatQuest
        if anyone would care, it would be her!
      • 2013-05-28 14818, 2013

      • CatQuest
        I should mention norwegian keyboards only has "these", so I guess thats the standard.
      • 2013-05-28 14833, 2013

      • CatQuest
        but I know efeinitly english is
      • 2013-05-28 14842, 2013

      • CatQuest
        maybenot british englsih, but for sure american :P
      • 2013-05-28 14850, 2013

      • hawke_1
        CatQuest: IMO: If German, Japanese, and French want to use their own special quotes, as apparently they do, then English can use theirs too.
      • 2013-05-28 14858, 2013

      • CallerNo6
        maybe an RFC for a proper norwegian set of quotation marks got bogged down in the norwegian language style council?
      • 2013-05-28 14803, 2013

      • hawke_1
        (And Norwegian can choose from any of them)
      • 2013-05-28 14816, 2013

      • CatQuest
        ugh you're not getting it
      • 2013-05-28 14855, 2013

      • CatQuest
        when a member of the language advicory board of the freakign nation doesn't care about what quotesi use, then it is a de-facto non standard
      • 2013-05-28 14858, 2013

      • hawke_1
        CatQuest: I am getting it: common usage is basic quotation marks, nobody uses left/right quotation marks in real life so why should we?
      • 2013-05-28 14807, 2013

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      • 2013-05-28 14810, 2013

      • CatQuest
        hawke_1: almost
      • 2013-05-28 14814, 2013

      • CatQuest
        hei Tecfan
      • 2013-05-28 14824, 2013

      • CatQuest
        we should use the correct quotes
      • 2013-05-28 14827, 2013

      • CatQuest
        teoretically
      • 2013-05-28 14833, 2013

      • CatQuest
        if that's what really people ment to use
      • 2013-05-28 14842, 2013

      • hawke_1
        CatQuest: that’s artist intent.
      • 2013-05-28 14844, 2013

      • CatQuest
        bu the thing is, it has goen on s olong (blame ascii)
      • 2013-05-28 14858, 2013

      • CatQuest
        that people don't *know* these are "wrong"
      • 2013-05-28 14821, 2013

      • CatQuest
        it's a bit like saying "here we corrected this typography in your releaseyo uamde because its correct, and we know better than you"
      • 2013-05-28 14823, 2013

      • CatQuest
        or maybe
      • 2013-05-28 14832, 2013

      • nikki
        we do that for capitalisation :P
      • 2013-05-28 14848, 2013

      • CatQuest
        oh god for fuck
      • 2013-05-28 14855, 2013

      • CallerNo6 chuckles again
      • 2013-05-28 14803, 2013

      • CatQuest
        do people know there is such a thing as porper captalisaition?
      • 2013-05-28 14811, 2013

      • CatQuest
        or are they igonrant of such things?
      • 2013-05-28 14816, 2013

      • nikki
        for english there is no such thing
      • 2013-05-28 14823, 2013

      • nikki
        but we "fix" it anyway
      • 2013-05-28 14842, 2013

      • nikki
        (where "fix" is more "standardise"
      • 2013-05-28 14843, 2013

      • nikki
        )
      • 2013-05-28 14844, 2013

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      • 2013-05-28 14845, 2013

      • CatQuest
        are we taughtactually that you type. Like this, in a proper sentence. M'kay?
      • 2013-05-28 14807, 2013

      • CatQuest
        well we are fucking thaught it here
      • 2013-05-28 14820, 2013

      • CatQuest
        but noone eems to go about thinking it's important to teach typography
      • 2013-05-28 14834, 2013

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      • 2013-05-28 14843, 2013

      • CatQuest
        NO ONE is saying "iam not useing the right - or writing my ' 's curly enough on the paper
      • 2013-05-28 14858, 2013

      • CatQuest
        d oyou understand the difference i ma trying to make?
      • 2013-05-28 14803, 2013

      • CatQuest
        the point?
      • 2013-05-28 14804, 2013

      • hawke_1
        CatQuest: and yet they appear on the printed releases all the time
      • 2013-05-28 14810, 2013

      • CatQuest
        fonts are cute
      • 2013-05-28 14825, 2013

      • CatQuest
        most fonts has ' as a cute little upper ,
      • 2013-05-28 14836, 2013

      • CatQuest
        upperand upside down
      • 2013-05-28 14838, 2013

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      • 2013-05-28 14840, 2013

      • CatQuest
        the point is
      • 2013-05-28 14844, 2013

      • CatQuest
        so what?
      • 2013-05-28 14858, 2013

      • CatQuest
        how do you know this is meant to b typographically correct, or is just a cute font
      • 2013-05-28 14816, 2013

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      • 2013-05-28 14818, 2013

      • hawke_1
        we don’t: we standardize it unless there is artist intent.
      • 2013-05-28 14821, 2013

      • CatQuest
        becase unless he is a language mayor.. in fact even if he is, chances are he doesn't even know such exsist
      • 2013-05-28 14839, 2013

      • CatQuest
        but why do we create "correct typography"?
      • 2013-05-28 14855, 2013

      • hawke_1
        Because some people want to.
      • 2013-05-28 14856, 2013

      • CatQuest
        why not standadrise with ' UNLESS of course it can be wproven to be what is intended
      • 2013-05-28 14805, 2013

      • hawke_1
        Why do we create “correct capitalization”: same reason
      • 2013-05-28 14822, 2013

      • CatQuest
        no yo u are mudding the water agai n and confusing the two
      • 2013-05-28 14826, 2013

      • hawke_1
        some people would like to have “exactly like it says on the release, even if that means most releases will be all-caps”
      • 2013-05-28 14853, 2013

      • hawke_1
        Some people would like to have sentence case instead of title case
      • 2013-05-28 14811, 2013

      • CatQuest
        een an artist that does all HeLL0 bLöP knows that really words are Hello Blup
      • 2013-05-28 14841, 2013

      • CatQuest
        sorry HeLL0 bLüP
      • 2013-05-28 14811, 2013

      • CatQuest
        he *knows* this is his artist intent, because he knows he's writing it with weird, for intnetionlaly to stand out :D
      • 2013-05-28 14826, 2013

      • fractalizator
        Russian and Ukrainian have «» and „“
      • 2013-05-28 14844, 2013

      • CatQuest
        probably his first single A'llo "aMig0s" has no oppinion about "
      • 2013-05-28 14855, 2013

      • CatQuest
        since he doesn't even know whats right
      • 2013-05-28 14853, 2013

      • fractalizator
        and I'm tired of seeing a Russian user changing the capitalisation of a Russian artist in English style once again
      • 2013-05-28 14858, 2013

      • CatQuest
        he might use „“ for artistic effect (lol witch-music thingy) but will not know it's not just "fancy quotes" but avtually the correct (ukrainian) ones
      • 2013-05-28 14812, 2013

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      • 2013-05-28 14819, 2013

      • CatQuest
        its like we'r epalyng typography teachers to people
      • 2013-05-28 14833, 2013

      • CatQuest
        we edit these things better than people know themselves
      • 2013-05-28 14846, 2013

      • CatQuest
        not because of lazyness or inhabilty
      • 2013-05-28 14801, 2013

      • hawke_1
        CatQuest: if we’re doing “you entered this wrong, it’s supposed to be like this” then yes, we shouldn’t be doing that.
      • 2013-05-28 14816, 2013

      • CatQuest
        in another 100 there propbably (because of computers :( there will *be* no typography
      • 2013-05-28 14827, 2013

      • hawke_1
        CatQuest: if we just improve it where it can be improved, then we’re doing it right.
      • 2013-05-28 14830, 2013

      • CatQuest
        and only specially interested will know about it
      • 2013-05-28 14834, 2013

      • hawke_1
        CatQuest: There will probably also be no spelling or punctuation. :-D
      • 2013-05-28 14835, 2013

      • fractalizator
        the most strange punctuation I've ever seen is Armenian: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_alphabet#P…
      • 2013-05-28 14835, 2013

      • CatQuest
        it's already like this much now
      • 2013-05-28 14840, 2013

      • hawke_1
        and then we can change the style guide
      • 2013-05-28 14844, 2013

      • CatQuest
        most of the restof the world desnt give two f's
      • 2013-05-28 14801, 2013

      • CatQuest
        well I think that this styleguidelien is kinda gonig archaic :)
      • 2013-05-28 14816, 2013

      • fractalizator
        most of the rest of the world is ok with rAmmSteiN
      • 2013-05-28 14835, 2013

      • CatQuest
        I am not talking about stuff wher these things are activly used, e.g. accënts, and french ! and probably this Armenian
      • 2013-05-28 14857, 2013

      • CatQuest
        most of the rest of the world still type it as Rammstein :)
      • 2013-05-28 14809, 2013

      • hawke_1
        and someone will argue “why are you correcting the spelling, everyone knows the artist ment to right that word, nobody cares about this stuff I wasnt even tot that in school”
      • 2013-05-28 14828, 2013

      • fractalizator
        CatQuest: RAMMSTEIN and rammstein as well!
      • 2013-05-28 14831, 2013

      • CatQuest
        hawke yo u are hyperbolign to prove your point and its bad
      • 2013-05-28 14838, 2013

      • hawke_1
        I am. :-)
      • 2013-05-28 14845, 2013

      • CatQuest
        well you should feel bad
      • 2013-05-28 14859, 2013

      • CatQuest
        because it makes it so that you don't have a point
      • 2013-05-28 14804, 2013

      • CatQuest
        make a proper argument please
      • 2013-05-28 14833, 2013

      • hawke_1
        CatQuest: My point is just that we have to set the bar somewhere on the spectrum from 'allow everything' to 'only specific precise tight guidelines'
      • 2013-05-28 14847, 2013

      • hawke_1
        And no place on that spectrum will make everyone happy
      • 2013-05-28 14805, 2013

      • CatQuest
        and my point is that "correct to "archaic" typography for english is wrong"
      • 2013-05-28 14813, 2013

      • hawke_1
        and in the future yes, common usage will probably loosen it even more.
      • 2013-05-28 14832, 2013

      • CatQuest
        i hope so and this silly rule will go away. exept again for those cases where it is totally walid
      • 2013-05-28 14838, 2013

      • CatQuest
        english wil lbe looser and looser
      • 2013-05-28 14854, 2013

      • CatQuest
        as the lignua de facto I can type a sentence completely in english and mean it in norwegian
      • 2013-05-28 14856, 2013

      • CatQuest
        it's possible
      • 2013-05-28 14802, 2013

      • fractalizator
        WE NEED A NEW "STRINGS" TABLE!
      • 2013-05-28 14804, 2013

      • CatQuest
        al lthe english words have a menaing in other language
      • 2013-05-28 14810, 2013

      • fractalizator
        with string entities
      • 2013-05-28 14831, 2013

      • CatQuest
        don't you mean “strings„?
      • 2013-05-28 14837, 2013

      • fractalizator
        and all titles, names etc will use them, as releases use recordings now
      • 2013-05-28 14840, 2013

      • CatQuest
        that's the thing,
      • 2013-05-28 14844, 2013

      • kepstin-work
        does twine count as a type of string?
      • 2013-05-28 14808, 2013

      • CatQuest
        what the hell is twine anyway? some kind of aerican string you but into huge balls for some reason?
      • 2013-05-28 14821, 2013

      • fractalizator
        c'mon, I'm not a native English speaker, I don't know what Brits and Americans learn at school
      • 2013-05-28 14832, 2013

      • kepstin-work
        apparently it's sort of between a thread and a string, but more properly a type of cord.
      • 2013-05-28 14836, 2013

      • CatQuest
        no about typograhpy I think tho
      • 2013-05-28 14842, 2013

      • fractalizator
        and „"strings" table“ is in SQL :)
      • 2013-05-28 14853, 2013

      • CatQuest
        there is a difference between thread and string outside of thickness?
      • 2013-05-28 14831, 2013

      • fractalizator
        then you can check just the strings, fix capitalization, set quality level, and even merge them! :)
      • 2013-05-28 14859, 2013

      • fractalizator
        CatQuest: there are also ropes in programming
      • 2013-05-28 14801, 2013

      • hawke_1
        CatQuest: twine is thread, usually made of a rougher material.
      • 2013-05-28 14824, 2013

      • CatQuest 's tired from exam so isn't following anyway
      • 2013-05-28 14830, 2013

      • CatQuest
        hey OT (on topic?) i tried typing the "correct" ' quote.. couldn't find it
      • 2013-05-28 14843, 2013

      • CatQuest
        so.. yea there is that, besides not knowing what is right, it's really hard to do
      • 2013-05-28 14853, 2013

      • hawke_1
        that’s why it’s optional
      • 2013-05-28 14838, 2013

      • CatQuest
        While I *could* if I wanted to, still do accents, ëh? And proper capitalisation no problem.
      • 2013-05-28 14808, 2013

      • CatQuest
        but it makes me wonder, why are you going through so much troulbeto get the arcaic " ' " right?
      • 2013-05-28 14818, 2013

      • CatQuest
        ’ is it?
      • 2013-05-28 14822, 2013

      • CatQuest
        why?
      • 2013-05-28 14833, 2013

      • CallerNo6
        the opposite of "typographically correct" is not "incorrect". It's more like "less rich semantically".
      • 2013-05-28 14800, 2013

      • CatQuest
        ah yes!
      • 2013-05-28 14821, 2013

      • CatQuest
        but the opposite of "correct capitalisation" is "wrong capitalisation"
      • 2013-05-28 14825, 2013

      • fractalizator
        ́́́́́́’
      • 2013-05-28 14829, 2013

      • fractalizator
        oops
      • 2013-05-28 14833, 2013

      • fractalizator
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      • CatQuest
        maybe its also because I don't see what purpose it serves to use thme :/
      • 2013-05-28 14849, 2013

      • fractalizator
        В̡̹̜̟̎́͗ͨ̉̌́̚з̢̹̯̑ͦ́̕ы̅͛̋ͩͣͬ͊̚͏̣̥̮̻̯̱̞в̫̲̰̪̪̙̻̩̲̈́͌̿ͫа̻̪̻͎͔̟͓͒̈͆̓ͫ̔́͠я̨̲͔̤̟̝͙̏͗ͥ̉͗̌́ͦ͝ ̶͇̭ͫͭ͡ͅк̴͙͕̹͑ͬ͛ ̞̈́͋̎ͦ̅͆͗ͬ̆́н̡̞̤͔̯̈́̔̇͠͠а̫̣̼̉̊̉ͪ͗̍̎ͮͥ͞д̩̯͙͔̤̣͚͊ͯ̿ͬ͒̿̃̈м̑̐͏͍̲̪͍͕̳͡оͧ̀͑̒̍ͅͅз̨͙̯̐̓̽ͭ̚̚͜г̨̘̬̭̞̑͑̓͋͋у̖ͪͤ͌͆ͦͅ
      • 2013-05-28 14851, 2013

      • fractalizator
        ̘̹̹̤̫̹̰͊̉ͬͅо̢̽̐̊͊̎͂͋͏͚̻̞̜̹̦͈̺т̷̨̘̦̳̙͉̺̂͒͐̀ͅр͇̞̝͊̾̆́͝ͅа̷͓̝̮͍̘͔̖̘̠̉̎̍̓ж̝̜̣̱ͧ̐ͦ͑а̔̌̾͛͡҉̪͙͓͇͎̣̠̹ю͙͈̻̜ͯ͗̾̃̎̀͝щ̩̾̀ͮ̃͠е̙̯̼̩̻͚̼͉̖̋͐ͤ͊̒̏̚̚͝м̴̞ͦ̒ͯͮͨ̆ͭͮ͟у̸̵͕͎̯ͩ̄͟ ̲̣͉͓͔̪̉̐̔͊ͮ̀͠х͉̩̫͍̃͐̍͌̎̽ͬ͜͠а̸̵̤̯̼̠͈͙ͨ̓̅͂о̻̱̭͐́̈̔̿͊ͯ́с̦̜̞̖ͭͬͤ̾ͨͪ͜.