kepstin-work: the ~ and AND is nice too, but I’ve covered that specific ground before.
2013-05-16 13648, 2013
reosarevok
SultS: no, there's a limit of one date per country and one unknown
2013-05-16 13657, 2013
reosarevok
SultS: whether that makes sense or not I don't know
2013-05-16 13636, 2013
kepstin-work
it does mean that we need another schema change if we want it to be more flexible, and have a more complicated model in the mean time :/
2013-05-16 13617, 2013
reosarevok
kepstin-work: indeed
2013-05-16 13635, 2013
kepstin-work believes that restrictions on data should be done more on the social side than hardcoded into the data structures when reasonable.
2013-05-16 13644, 2013
hawke_1
kepstin-work: You mentioned in -devel that you recalled that echoprint’s matching was more vague than acoustID’s?
2013-05-16 13657, 2013
SultS
While I don’t nessesarily need multiple dates per country, I can already see a use for them
2013-05-16 13603, 2013
kepstin-work
hawke_1: that was my impression. I didn't test it that much
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reosarevok
SultS: example? First at a concert later officially?
2013-05-16 13631, 2013
reosarevok
(that's the only one I can think of)
2013-05-16 13633, 2013
kepstin-work
I know it was derived from software designed to get a song name from noisy partial matches (e.g. sampling a song off radio)
2013-05-16 13636, 2013
hawke_1
kepstin-work: I wonder if acoustID could be tuned to handle both: it fairly often seems that when I lookup a 'new' recording (one not seen by acoustID before) it will find a different recording of the same work.
2013-05-16 13650, 2013
SultS
reosarevok: different releases dates on different stores for a digital medium…
2013-05-16 13623, 2013
kepstin-work
hawke_1: the chromaprint lookup matching is designed to be more liberal-matching than the acoustid generation.
2013-05-16 13637, 2013
kepstin-work
so it might match on the initial lookup, but then generate a new acoustid when you submit
2013-05-16 13642, 2013
hawke_1
kepstin-work: right, it does.
2013-05-16 13644, 2013
luks
it only uses a different threshold
2013-05-16 13648, 2013
luks
but the process is the same
2013-05-16 13654, 2013
hawke_1
kepstin-work: But that suggests that the …yeah, that.
2013-05-16 13637, 2013
SultS
reosarevok: I can sort‐of use multiple dates for these cases already… using download link with begin date set
2013-05-16 13657, 2013
reosarevok
SultS: I'm mostly hoping most people won't be that crazy as to add n stores in all m countries they operate in
2013-05-16 13627, 2013
reosarevok
But yeah, I'm afraid since we started going that way, we'll end there
2013-05-16 13655, 2013
hawke_1
digital is [worldwide]? ;-)
2013-05-16 13657, 2013
SultS
probably won’t… just the limit for 1 per country doesn’t nessesarily make sense to me
2013-05-16 13600, 2013
reosarevok
honestly, as I don't particularly care about this use of the "feature", I'll probably just try to ignore it as much as I can
2013-05-16 13607, 2013
kepstin-work
hawke_1: sometimes, not always.
2013-05-16 13610, 2013
reosarevok
SultS: oh, that I agree with
2013-05-16 13620, 2013
kepstin-work has seen a lot of japan-only digital releases, for example.
2013-05-16 13607, 2013
hawke_1
kepstin-work: I know, but it seems like a good principle to avoid the hassle.
2013-05-16 13621, 2013
hawke_1
kepstin-work: besides, what makes it 'japan-only'?
2013-05-16 13639, 2013
reosarevok
SultS: tbh though, I'm kinda in favour of "use the first date it was released in there, add the rest to the specific purchase rels if you want them"
2013-05-16 13651, 2013
kepstin-work
hawke_1: they provide no way for people outside of japan to purchase it.
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hawke_1
kepstin-work: how do they verify that you’re in Japan?
2013-05-16 13612, 2013
nikki
amazon does it somehow
2013-05-16 13618, 2013
SultS
reosarevok: I might be as well, actually :P
2013-05-16 13631, 2013
reosarevok
SultS: we wouldn't add a second release event because they had to bring the CDs by car from Tallinn to Tartu and they started selling here one day later :p
2013-05-16 13632, 2013
hawke_1
as opposed to, say, using a proxy.
2013-05-16 13640, 2013
kepstin-work
hawke_1: by selling it through the cell phone network is pretty common too
2013-05-16 13653, 2013
reosarevok
SultS: so, I'd rather see it as "first date this specific release was available there"
2013-05-16 13634, 2013
hawke_1
luks: 502s on acoustid.org?
2013-05-16 13603, 2013
luks
on the website, I assume?
2013-05-16 13622, 2013
luks
I'm doing a MB upgrade on that server and forgot that its DB is used by the website
2013-05-16 13631, 2013
hawke_1
yeah, on the website.
2013-05-16 13640, 2013
reosarevok
hawke_1: that'd be a bit like having a red button in a locked room and claiming it was there for you because you took the door off with a screwdriver :p
2013-05-16 13658, 2013
SultS
maybe one more use case would be the same release being sold early on a concert
2013-05-16 13601, 2013
reosarevok
I thought releases were the intention :p
2013-05-16 13602, 2013
nikki
hawke_1: for amazon, I think they use something based on the payment method. e.g. I can buy from amazon.co.uk despite not being in the uk, but only because I have a uk bank and uk address and stuff I can use
2013-05-16 13636, 2013
nikki
hawke_1: I tried to buy from .jp and they told me to get lost 'cause they don't want my money
2013-05-16 13641, 2013
nikki
(well, not in those words.)
2013-05-16 13642, 2013
hawke_1
reosarevok: yeah, 'over the cell network' is a bit of a strong method. :-D
2013-05-16 13606, 2013
hawke_1
I’ve bought from both .co.uk and .co.jp without trouble other than 'amazon marketplace' stuff
2013-05-16 13612, 2013
nikki
mp3s?
2013-05-16 13618, 2013
nikki
I'm not talking about physical releases
2013-05-16 13621, 2013
hawke_1
Ah, nope. Physical releases.
2013-05-16 13648, 2013
nikki
not that I recommend amazon.co.jp for physical releases. the shipping costs are daylight robbery
2013-05-16 13620, 2013
reosarevok
well, technically, if you buy them at day, being in Japan...
2013-05-16 13628, 2013
reosarevok
isn't that more like nightime robbery?
2013-05-16 13658, 2013
hawke_1
amazon is definitely not my preferred .jp CD source.
2013-05-16 13609, 2013
hawke_1
but sometimes they have stuff I can’t find otherwise.
2013-05-16 13621, 2013
nikki
reosarevok: no, that loses the meaning of the phrase.
2013-05-16 13653, 2013
reosarevok
nikki: that was part of the joke, meh. I guess it was so bad it wasn't even clear :p
2013-05-16 13607, 2013
nikki
well of course. your jokes are all bad! :D
2013-05-16 13635, 2013
derwin
hawke_1: fwiw, I mostly agree with you about the search :)
2013-05-16 13624, 2013
reosarevok
now, now, not so much agreeement. He's not used to it, he might overdose
2013-05-16 13631, 2013
hawke_1
lol
2013-05-16 13624, 2013
hawke_1
With all this agreement, maybe I should put the vinyl track numbering proposal out again.
2013-05-16 13641, 2013
hawke_1
agreement is like a battery, I can use up what I’ve stored, right?
2013-05-16 13643, 2013
kepstin-work
don't push your luck too far ;)
2013-05-16 13647, 2013
nikki
haha
2013-05-16 13606, 2013
nikki was mostly fine with the vinyl numbering part of the proposal
2013-05-16 13615, 2013
nikki
I think you fixed the issue I had with that bit
2013-05-16 13659, 2013
hawke_1
nikki: You were OK with pseudo-releases for SACD layers?
2013-05-16 13631, 2013
nikki
I don't remember and to be honest I also don't really want to think about it right now either
2013-05-16 13638, 2013
hawke_1
all good.
2013-05-16 13628, 2013
nikki
I guess I'm just suggesting that it doesn't need to be all or nothing. we can have a guideline for vinyl (which is pretty common in the db) even without deciding what to do with sacds (which are not) :P
2013-05-16 13658, 2013
hawke_1
Hmm. Personally I’m not too worried about SACD either (as it’s not common), but it’s applicable to DVDs as well.
2013-05-16 13614, 2013
hawke_1
(alternate audio tracks are, I mean)
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kepstin-work
they're fairly rare on music dvds, tho.
2013-05-16 13643, 2013
nikki
dvds are still nothing compared to the amount of vinyl :P
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hawke_1
True. Maybe I should just strike the alternate audio tracks bit.
2013-05-16 13638, 2013
hawke_1
and just use it anyway where applicable. :-D
2013-05-16 13650, 2013
hawke_1
I doubt anyone would notice
2013-05-16 13651, 2013
kepstin-work
it might be good to add at some point as a guideline, but we can do that later.
