(I just see mess after we merge so badly... then there is album edit, radio edit, video edit and other edits merged)
2013-05-10 13056, 2013
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Jozo
nikki: They asked cos they want composer and other relations?
2013-05-10 13033, 2013
nikki
they apparently wanted to match tracks to mb
2013-05-10 13008, 2013
nikki
works were too broad (and often not present), recordings in their current state are too narrow
2013-05-10 13030, 2013
Jozo
nikki: They want that our "recording" includes their "radio edit" recordings?
2013-05-10 13005, 2013
reosarevok
huh
2013-05-10 13014, 2013
reosarevok
nobody said radio edits should be merged with the normal recordings
2013-05-10 13015, 2013
reosarevok
:)
2013-05-10 13022, 2013
reosarevok
That's still an edit
2013-05-10 13028, 2013
Jozo
nikki: Cos we do not have promotional singles usually
2013-05-10 13046, 2013
nikki
the bbc would like that, that was the main point we disagreed on in the list of scenarios I gave them to consider
2013-05-10 13004, 2013
reosarevok
oh, true :)
2013-05-10 13042, 2013
nikki
(the other was whether one performance recorded by two separate people is two recordings or not, but that mostly applies to live bootlegs)
2013-05-10 13036, 2013
Jozo
I do not know anything about BBC. But in Finland there is often really difference between album edit and radio edit. (And radio edits not really released... sometimes released digital media)
2013-05-10 13020, 2013
hawke
Jozo: "useful for..." -- anything, really. It defeats the purpose of recordings if every release has its own recording
2013-05-10 13000, 2013
Jozo
Is BBC give some feed to us?
2013-05-10 13007, 2013
reosarevok
Jozo: no, money
2013-05-10 13013, 2013
reosarevok
(they're a customer)
2013-05-10 13036, 2013
reosarevok
I don't think they have a lot of useful stuff to share - they ask artists to create pages for themselves in MB, too
2013-05-10 13008, 2013
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Jozo
reosarevok: In Finland YLE has most complete database for releases. (And they share that only partially with libraries or so)
reosarevok: I still don't want that we dance with BBC without any indication that we can benefit it
2013-05-10 13056, 2013
reosarevok
er
2013-05-10 13004, 2013
reosarevok
they give us the money to pay for our developers
2013-05-10 13014, 2013
reosarevok
if that's not benefitting, what is it?
2013-05-10 13048, 2013
Jozo
reosarevok: They wanted somethhing... We didn't what they wanted
2013-05-10 13014, 2013
reosarevok
Oh, sure, they wanted something and we separately agreed with most of it in our recordings discussion anyway
2013-05-10 13024, 2013
reosarevok
But the parts we don't agree with won't change
2013-05-10 13046, 2013
reosarevok
(when we added release groups for example it was because the BBC asked for it and we decided it was a good idea)
2013-05-10 13054, 2013
reosarevok
(well, "we"... I wasn't really around yet :) )
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nikki
hawke: well, it's probably more useful if every release has its own recording than if releases arbitrarily do or don't have their own recordings :P
2013-05-10 13018, 2013
nikki
hawke: at least I hope so, or warp spent a load of time adding track ids for nothing :P
2013-05-10 13044, 2013
Jozo
reosarevok: I just tried say that every request has some benefit behind... (Am I say that correct way?)
2013-05-10 13059, 2013
hawke
nikki: true --- the transition is kinda messy though. :-)
2013-05-10 13016, 2013
nikki
sure, but at least we now have a goal, instead of having half the editors who care merging remasters and the other half who care splitting them
2013-05-10 13044, 2013
Jozo
(I sent mail to YLE)
2013-05-10 13037, 2013
reosarevok
I should mail Eesti Raadio
2013-05-10 13039, 2013
Jozo
But if I want something I have send mail to some integrator.
2013-05-10 13041, 2013
Ben|Dinner
Jozo: I certainly didn't know about the BBC issues with recordings until after the process of changing them was already started
2013-05-10 13003, 2013
reosarevok
Yeah, in this case we just happened to agree :)
2013-05-10 13043, 2013
Jozo
srotta: Onko sulla ajatuksia miten meidän pitäis hyödyntäää tai saada käyttöön YLE:n ja kirjastojen data? Kirjastot jakaa jotain vapaalla lisenssillä tosin
2013-05-10 13014, 2013
Jozo
LordSputnik: (And what I said about BBC is only guess.... We do not their intenteds.
2013-05-10 13041, 2013
Jozo
+know
2013-05-10 13053, 2013
Jozo
(and spellling and and and)
2013-05-10 13016, 2013
hawke
nikki: did we have a lot of editors merging remasters? It seemed (and seems) so rare to see remasters clearly marked...
2013-05-10 13044, 2013
Jozo
And I'm listening some Finnish pop-rap.
2013-05-10 13036, 2013
hawke
there were like 5 bands that actually had half-finished remaster markings: the Beatles, ABBA, led Zeppelin, and Metallica...and probably some other. ;-)
2013-05-10 13009, 2013
nikki
hawke: my experience was mostly that people just gave up because of people voting no in case the recordings were different, but that doesn't stop people from reusing tracklists for remastered releases
2013-05-10 13034, 2013
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nikki
like I pretty much stopped even trying to merge recordings, even things I knew were the same
2013-05-10 13011, 2013
kepstin-work
the beatles stuff is a special case, because many of their remasters are actually different enough to be called different mixes (e.g. the 2-channel versions of originally mono releases)
2013-05-10 13018, 2013
hawke
yeah, the 'they might be different' crowd is so annoying ... it just paralyzes everything.
2013-05-10 13039, 2013
nikki
sometimes they have a point, when people try to merge like 20 different things all at once, it seems more like "ooh, they have the same name" and not "I checked each of these to make sure it's not live/djmixed/etc"
2013-05-10 13047, 2013
hawke
yep
2013-05-10 13058, 2013
nikki
but in general, yeah :/
2013-05-10 13021, 2013
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derwin
god, I hate those beatles remasters
2013-05-10 13038, 2013
derwin
if you couldn't hear the background vocal from john for 30 years
2013-05-10 13043, 2013
derwin
why do you want to hear it now?
2013-05-10 13046, 2013
derwin
it's a different song
2013-05-10 13004, 2013
derwin
a remix, imo, not a "remaster"
2013-05-10 13011, 2013
kepstin-work
the 2-channel mixes aren't even really stereo :/
2013-05-10 13041, 2013
kepstin-work
it's just that the vocals were recorded separately from the instruments, so they split them again
2013-05-10 13050, 2013
kepstin-work
horrible to listen to with headphones
2013-05-10 13057, 2013
derwin
yeah, good to sample though :)
2013-05-10 13027, 2013
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ZaphodBeeblebrox
like I pretty much stopped even trying to merge recordings, even things I knew were the same
2013-05-10 13059, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
yeah, the 'they might be different' crowd is so annoying ... it just paralyzes everything.
2013-05-10 13007, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
MOTHAFFING +++ on this
2013-05-10 13018, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox is one of those people
2013-05-10 13022, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
godamnit
2013-05-10 13050, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
i got things voted down because "oohh it might be different"
2013-05-10 13004, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
evne shit i waas like "listen too and knew isthe only version and"
2013-05-10 13017, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
but I got like "noo there is less or more crowd noise here!!""
2013-05-10 13021, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
RARG
2013-05-10 13043, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
i love love LOVE the bensput new recording guide
2013-05-10 13052, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
can we hurry up and get it passed son
2013-05-10 13000, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
sone*
2013-05-10 13002, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
soon
2013-05-10 13008, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
blup
2013-05-10 13043, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
but anyway, i will go to bed now
2013-05-10 13019, 2013
hawke
ZaphodBeeblebrox: at least with that there's an actual listen: "there is more crowd noise" is at least a difference
2013-05-10 13035, 2013
hawke
not "I haven't heard it, but it's safer to keep them separate"
2013-05-10 13056, 2013
derwin
I guess we have "mergists" vs. "safists" ?
2013-05-10 13029, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
but the track cut of is arbitrary and nothing to do with "reocrding"
2013-05-10 13033, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
which is the same
2013-05-10 13005, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
it's like trying to define on the original pink floyd "dark side of the moon" where does "money" end and "us and them" begin?
2013-05-10 13016, 2013
derwin
where the cd cuts it :)
2013-05-10 13023, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
the origina lLP
2013-05-10 13025, 2013
derwin
hahaha
2013-05-10 13028, 2013
derwin
yeah, nowhere.
2013-05-10 13031, 2013
derwin
mu
2013-05-10 13033, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
exactly
2013-05-10 13059, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
saying "this is a recording and that is a recording and they have to much difference is rubbish in situiations like that
2013-05-10 13044, 2013
LordSputnik
derwin: kepstin-work: the only really bad stereo remasters are Rubber Soul and Revolver
2013-05-10 13056, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
so many of these old releases where made for a lp or even cassette medium, where "track cut off" was an arbitrary thing, the "cd age" made "tracks"
2013-05-10 13003, 2013
LordSputnik
both of which I've folded down to mono
2013-05-10 13037, 2013
LordSputnik
the rest of the remasters are great imo
2013-05-10 13059, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
and cd re-releases of old lps could maybe make the new track a differnce between pressings, even though the actual audio is identical and from the same master
2013-05-10 13040, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
it's rubbish! to keep those separate
2013-05-10 13044, 2013
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ZaphodBeeblebrox
for releases like that.
2013-05-10 13005, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
i mean for new releases that where.. eh. "composed" for cd medium. that's mybe a littel differnt
2013-05-10 13013, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
but we lack the ting like cd-track parts
2013-05-10 13023, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
wichi know atleast classical releases used some
2013-05-10 13039, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
but yes. I am going to bed
2013-05-10 13043, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
ok, natta all
2013-05-10 13013, 2013
LordSputnik
:)
2013-05-10 13046, 2013
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hawke
Well, since vinyl tracks don't have actual defined start/finish, I see the CD as being a definitive source for that information. :-)
2013-05-10 13016, 2013
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derwin
hawke: which CD?
2013-05-10 13022, 2013
hawke
derwin: presumably the first-released one.
2013-05-10 13034, 2013
derwin
hah, so successive CDs are wrong?
2013-05-10 13045, 2013
hawke
not wrong, but different.
2013-05-10 13058, 2013
derwin
why is the first one authoritative?
2013-05-10 13030, 2013
hawke
hehe, I was just about to say: "I don't know if 'first' or 'most common' should count as more definitive"
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AJ_Z0
nikki: Thanks for the advice. What do you mean by "to link them to works"? The bonus CD was added to the shipping package for a limited number of pre-orders.
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LordSputnik
AJ_Z0: she means relate the recordings to the relevant works, and tick the box next to "instrumental" in the add relationship page
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jesus2099
Murdos: what is wiki data links? Can you show some examples ?
