#musicbrainz

(I just see mess after we merge so badly... then there is album edit, radio edit, video edit and other edits merged)

nikki: They asked cos they want composer and other relations?

they apparently wanted to match tracks to mb

works were too broad (and often not present), recordings in their current state are too narrow

nikki: They want that our "recording" includes their "radio edit" recordings?

huh

nobody said radio edits should be merged with the normal recordings

:)

That's still an edit

nikki: Cos we do not have promotional singles usually

the bbc would like that, that was the main point we disagreed on in the list of scenarios I gave them to consider

oh, true :)

(the other was whether one performance recorded by two separate people is two recordings or not, but that mostly applies to live bootlegs)

I do not know anything about BBC. But in Finland there is often really difference between album edit and radio edit. (And radio edits not really released... sometimes released digital media)

Jozo: "useful for..." -- anything, really. It defeats the purpose of recordings if every release has its own recording

Is BBC give some feed to us?

Jozo: no, money

(they're a customer)

I don't think they have a lot of useful stuff to share - they ask artists to create pages for themselves in MB, too

reosarevok: In Finland YLE has most complete database for releases. (And they share that only partially with libraries or so)

Oh, I'm sure they have some useful data

reosarevok: http://noora.yle.fi/radioarkistoweb.nsf/sivut/l... "Yleisradion äänilevystö on Suomen suurin musiikkiarkisto."

But I'm also sure it's not allowed to share it because meh industry

reosarevok: and http://www.aanitearkisto.fi/ covers somewhat that YLE archive between 1901-1999.

reosarevok: I still don't want that we dance with BBC without any indication that we can benefit it

er

they give us the money to pay for our developers

if that's not benefitting, what is it?

reosarevok: They wanted somethhing... We didn't what they wanted

Oh, sure, they wanted something and we separately agreed with most of it in our recordings discussion anyway

But the parts we don't agree with won't change

(when we added release groups for example it was because the BBC asked for it and we decided it was a good idea)

(well, "we"... I wasn't really around yet :) )

hawke: well, it's probably more useful if every release has its own recording than if releases arbitrarily do or don't have their own recordings :P

hawke: at least I hope so, or warp spent a load of time adding track ids for nothing :P

reosarevok: I just tried say that every request has some benefit behind... (Am I say that correct way?)

nikki: true --- the transition is kinda messy though. :-)

sure, but at least we now have a goal, instead of having half the editors who care merging remasters and the other half who care splitting them

(I sent mail to YLE)

I should mail Eesti Raadio

But if I want something I have send mail to some integrator.

Jozo: I certainly didn't know about the BBC issues with recordings until after the process of changing them was already started

Yeah, in this case we just happened to agree :)

srotta: Onko sulla ajatuksia miten meidän pitäis hyödyntäää tai saada käyttöön YLE:n ja kirjastojen data? Kirjastot jakaa jotain vapaalla lisenssillä tosin

LordSputnik: (And what I said about BBC is only guess.... We do not their intenteds.

+know

(and spellling and and and)

nikki: did we have a lot of editors merging remasters? It seemed (and seems) so rare to see remasters clearly marked...

And I'm listening some Finnish pop-rap.

there were like 5 bands that actually had half-finished remaster markings: the Beatles, ABBA, led Zeppelin, and Metallica...and probably some other. ;-)

hawke: my experience was mostly that people just gave up because of people voting no in case the recordings were different, but that doesn't stop people from reusing tracklists for remastered releases

like I pretty much stopped even trying to merge recordings, even things I knew were the same

the beatles stuff is a special case, because many of their remasters are actually different enough to be called different mixes (e.g. the 2-channel versions of originally mono releases)

yeah, the 'they might be different' crowd is so annoying ... it just paralyzes everything.

sometimes they have a point, when people try to merge like 20 different things all at once, it seems more like "ooh, they have the same name" and not "I checked each of these to make sure it's not live/djmixed/etc"

yep

but in general, yeah :/

god, I hate those beatles remasters

if you couldn't hear the background vocal from john for 30 years

why do you want to hear it now?

it's a different song

a remix, imo, not a "remaster"

the 2-channel mixes aren't even really stereo :/

it's just that the vocals were recorded separately from the instruments, so they split them again

horrible to listen to with headphones

yeah, good to sample though :)

like I pretty much stopped even trying to merge recordings, even things I knew were the same

yeah, the 'they might be different' crowd is so annoying ... it just paralyzes everything.

MOTHAFFING +++ on this

godamnit

i got things voted down because "oohh it might be different"

evne shit i waas like "listen too and knew isthe only version and"

but I got like "noo there is less or more crowd noise here!!""

RARG

can we hurry up and get it passed son

sone*

soon

blup

but anyway, i will go to bed now

ZaphodBeeblebrox: at least with that there's an actual listen: "there is more crowd noise" is at least a difference

not "I haven't heard it, but it's safer to keep them separate"

I guess we have "mergists" vs. "safists" ?

but the track cut of is arbitrary and nothing to do with "reocrding"

which is the same

it's like trying to define on the original pink floyd "dark side of the moon" where does "money" end and "us and them" begin?

where the cd cuts it :)

the origina lLP

hahaha

yeah, nowhere.

mu

exactly

saying "this is a recording and that is a recording and they have to much difference is rubbish in situiations like that

derwin: kepstin-work: the only really bad stereo remasters are Rubber Soul and Revolver

so many of these old releases where made for a lp or even cassette medium, where "track cut off" was an arbitrary thing, the "cd age" made "tracks"

both of which I've folded down to mono

the rest of the remasters are great imo

and cd re-releases of old lps could maybe make the new track a differnce between pressings, even though the actual audio is identical and from the same master

it's rubbish! to keep those separate

for releases like that.

i mean for new releases that where.. eh. "composed" for cd medium. that's mybe a littel differnt

but we lack the ting like cd-track parts

wichi know atleast classical releases used some

but yes. I am going to bed

ok, natta all

:)

Well, since vinyl tracks don't have actual defined start/finish, I see the CD as being a definitive source for that information. :-)

hawke: which CD?

derwin: presumably the first-released one.

hah, so successive CDs are wrong?

not wrong, but different.

why is the first one authoritative?

hehe, I was just about to say: "I don't know if 'first' or 'most common' should count as more definitive"

nikki: Thanks for the advice. What do you mean by "to link them to works"? The bonus CD was added to the shipping package for a limited number of pre-orders.

AJ_Z0: she means relate the recordings to the relevant works, and tick the box next to "instrumental" in the add relationship page

Murdos: what is wiki data links? Can you show some examples ?

Yuck ;)

nah, semweb

Looks rather pitiful

Hey manage you send my goddam Q34 home page !

Hey man, not hey manage WTF

jesus2099: it's not supposed to look nice, it's supposed to be useful

Hey man, have you seen my goddam Q35 home page

It's mostly for machines to read

Is it ?

Useful I mean, we'll at least it doesn't harm I guess

Well

Grrr this type assist is moron

Do you have an MB artist with such a KEWL page ? :)

jesus2099: I guess one day you'll probably understand the purpose of wikidata :P

jesus2099, http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7349 ?

murdos: http://reosarevok.mbsandbox.org/release-group/c...