icelandic comes to mind there; the phone book in iceland is sorted by given name :)
2013-02-22 05309, 2013
hawke_1
kepstin-work: and then we do stupid stuff with the sort name. ;-)
2013-02-22 05316, 2013
nikki
tom_anderson: yes, that would work
2013-02-22 05326, 2013
Leftmost
Names are weird and very culture-specific.
2013-02-22 05332, 2013
ianmcorvidae
as long as postgresql's supported that's probably what I'd use if I do an install locally (since I have that installed and configured and such for MB already)
2013-02-22 05346, 2013
nikki
jesus2099: we don't have any guidelines right now, but that's what I normally use, yes
2013-02-22 05353, 2013
CallerNo6
hawke_1: stupid sortname tricks?
2013-02-22 05323, 2013
jesus2099
nikki: it avoids → this one looks cooler — no that one is best — no — yes — no
2013-02-22 05326, 2013
jesus2099
:D
2013-02-22 05353, 2013
Leftmost
There are also issues of cultures with given name and family name reversed (so how do we know to display them in the right order?), cultures with multiple surnames, etc.
2013-02-22 05309, 2013
tom_anderson
ianmcorvidae I have not installed it on anything but mysql so far and look forward to hearing your experience.
2013-02-22 05307, 2013
Leftmost
I read a good article on the assumptions web apps tend to make in having people input names.
2013-02-22 05314, 2013
jesus2099
anyway who wants more than one field ? I didn’t get the start of discuss, probably
2013-02-22 05316, 2013
tom_anderson
Leftmost: By using last/first on the performer and just name as the alias I hope to capture that data on both sides.
2013-02-22 05322, 2013
jesus2099
(or are we all saying the same same)
2013-02-22 05324, 2013
Leftmost
Let me see if I can find it.
2013-02-22 05326, 2013
ianmcorvidae
tom_anderson: do you have any sort of data dump that can be imported, by the way? an empty DB is well and good, of course, but not quite the same as testing with real data
2013-02-22 05347, 2013
ianmcorvidae
jesus2099: not in MB, tom_anderson here is working on a different system -- which will link to MB, but is separate :)
2013-02-22 05349, 2013
tom_anderson
ianmcorvidae: that's a whole other can of worms I haven't started on
2013-02-22 05355, 2013
ianmcorvidae
ah :)
2013-02-22 05313, 2013
hawke_1
This sort if thing is another reason that having external auth is kind of nice (OAuth and the like) — lets you outsource all that naming crap that you don’t really care about to someone who has the time and energy to put into it.
2013-02-22 05319, 2013
derwin
tom_anderson: btree guy?
2013-02-22 05325, 2013
tom_anderson
db.etree
2013-02-22 05330, 2013
ianmcorvidae
hm, looks like your thing is also set up for apache
2013-02-22 05331, 2013
hawke_1
For usernames anyway, i.e. webapps — not for MB etc.
2013-02-22 05339, 2013
derwin
tom_anderson: oh hai ! I talked to you @ sfmusictech
2013-02-22 05339, 2013
ianmcorvidae
maybe I'll also see how your thing would work with nginx/php-fpm then :)
icelandic names are strange tho; people have to choose from an approved list managed by the government or ask for a special exception that may or may not be granted.
2013-02-22 05341, 2013
Leftmost
I keep getting emails about attending IUC. I wanna go. :-P
2013-02-22 05348, 2013
warp
kepstin-work: over here the goverment may refuse to register certain names as well, though I am unclear what the exact rules are
2013-02-22 05316, 2013
warp
(though one of them is that the name should be written in latin script, which isn't that surprising)
2013-02-22 05342, 2013
derwin
kepstin-work: the same issue in other countries.. but I hear they're way ahead in freedom terms.. over in europe..
2013-02-22 05354, 2013
kepstin-work can't find anything in canada on the subject
2013-02-22 05356, 2013
derwin
sure, you can't name your kid whatever you want, but...
2013-02-22 05305, 2013
derwin
they're WAY AHEAD OVER THERE, I HEAR
2013-02-22 05311, 2013
derwin
oh, and it's illegal to be a neo nazi
2013-02-22 05316, 2013
derwin
but other than that thoughtcrime
2013-02-22 05320, 2013
derwin
WAY AHEAD OVER THERE
2013-02-22 05332, 2013
derwin ends parody of clueless leftist peer group, thank you, thank you
2013-02-22 05341, 2013
warp
haha
2013-02-22 05317, 2013
kepstin-work
i suspect you probably need your name to be in latin script here, but I can't find *any* documentation talking about this stuff.
2013-02-22 05337, 2013
warp
My given name is not part of the name I am registered under with my goverment. This is something I need to be aware of whenever someone will do a comparison with my passport (like when buying airplane tickets).
2013-02-22 05343, 2013
kepstin-work
hmm. for a birth certificate, you have to provide separate 'last name' and 'given name(s)'
2013-02-22 05335, 2013
kepstin-work
but as to what a name can actually contain, nothing.
2013-02-22 05359, 2013
tom_anderson
Björk says I can't have last/first names so I'll drop that from my schema and use name/alias(es)
2013-02-22 05307, 2013
kepstin-work
yay
2013-02-22 05321, 2013
derwin
tom_anderson: I told you that ppl in here would be able to help a lot :D
2013-02-22 05350, 2013
Leftmost
We're just huge nerds is all.
2013-02-22 05307, 2013
kepstin-work
walking edge case generators, all of us ;)
2013-02-22 05333, 2013
kepstin-work
the entire purpose of the style mailing list seems to be to let us smooth out our guidelines until we run out of edge cases ;)
2013-02-22 05309, 2013
ianmcorvidae
lol "run out of edge cases"
2013-02-22 05339, 2013
nikki
like there's such a thing
2013-02-22 05348, 2013
Leftmost
An optimal weighted minimum of edge cases and style weirdness.
2013-02-22 05354, 2013
kepstin-work
huh: for 'musicbrainz.org/doc/libdiscid', google is returning "A description for this result is not available because of this site's robots.txt"
2013-02-22 05325, 2013
kepstin-work
doesn't make sense, it should be allowed
2013-02-22 05301, 2013
ianmcorvidae
yes, it should :/
2013-02-22 05316, 2013
ianmcorvidae
unless we have a server with the wrong one in rotation
2013-02-22 05320, 2013
ianmcorvidae
yes!
2013-02-22 05323, 2013
ianmcorvidae
probably lolo
2013-02-22 05325, 2013
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ianmcorvidae
fixed
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JonnyJD
kepstin-work: I think I know why you have problems with libmirage. They completely misunderstood library versioning. Or did they really have 7(!) not backwards compatible releases?
2013-02-22 05325, 2013
kepstin-work
JonnyJD: lots of not backwards compatible releases; it's very tightly tied to the cdemu project
2013-02-22 05352, 2013
JonnyJD
oh boy..
2013-02-22 05307, 2013
kepstin-work
hmm. libdiscid builds some executables 'discisrc' and 'discid' that it doesn't install, is that intentional?
2013-02-22 05343, 2013
JonnyJD
well, right now they are examples/tests. I was also thinking about including these, but they are not really "complete" command line utilities
2013-02-22 05331, 2013
JonnyJD
you know, with an actual interface, parameters, version information, man page
2013-02-22 05333, 2013
kepstin-work
other than that, everything looks good. builds fine, tests pass in sandbox environment, everything's installed to the right place :)
2013-02-22 05327, 2013
JonnyJD
Either way. Having something like discirsc using libdiscid would be nice. But I think just making discisrc "public" like it is now is not right.
I would actually like it if anybody takes that on and creates a discisrc project or something that combines discid and discisrc. In any way, it should be a different package in distributions.
2013-02-22 05301, 2013
JonnyJD
that is quite a short packaging file
2013-02-22 05321, 2013
kepstin-work
yeah, the 'require cmake' bit does everything for me.
2013-02-22 05340, 2013
kepstin-work
if there was some optional configuration it would be longer :)
2013-02-22 05348, 2013
JonnyJD
yes, looks like everything is done implicitely
2013-02-22 05317, 2013
JonnyJD
not sure if that makes it actually more difficult to understand, but learning exherbo is a bit too much right now
Very, very late to the discussion, but: My first name is "Frederik Sandberg" and my last name is "Olesen". My given name is "Frederik" and my family name is "Sandberg Olesen". Even for western cultures, splitting names up in multiple fields can be difficult.
2013-02-22 05309, 2013
Freso
tom_anderson: ^
2013-02-22 05354, 2013
JonnyJD
freso: that is weird
2013-02-22 05310, 2013
Freso
ianmcorvidae: OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!! First URL lookups, and now OAuth on Monday? OMG!
2013-02-22 05316, 2013
ianmcorvidae
heh
2013-02-22 05330, 2013
ianmcorvidae
I guess you missed the meeting :P
2013-02-22 05301, 2013
JonnyJD tries to make the versioning and so-versioning easier in libdiscid.
ianmcorvidae: Did you see me send notes out from it? ;)
2013-02-22 05316, 2013
ianmcorvidae
haha
2013-02-22 05322, 2013
JonnyJD
kepstin-work: that is what I am reading (again). I understand the result, but the whole documentatio is a mess and setting numbers that are only used for calculations.. a mess
2013-02-22 05307, 2013
JonnyJD is having dinner now
2013-02-22 05331, 2013
kepstin-work
JonnyJD: the key point i think is that it sets up versioning symbols in the object that make it easy to tell if given binary x will work with given library version y.
2013-02-22 05342, 2013
JonnyJD
I really like http://semver.org . That is what many people use since ages, but a good documentation for that.
2013-02-22 05358, 2013
kepstin-work
but yes, semver is nice, for human-readable versions :)
2013-02-22 05301, 2013
JonnyJD
kepstin-work: the key is, that should already be encoded in the version number directly, I think
2013-02-22 05327, 2013
kepstin-work runs the automake build of 0.2.2 to see how the soversion was set there
2013-02-22 05303, 2013
kepstin-work
huh, it installs libdiscid.so.0.2.1
2013-02-22 05313, 2013
JonnyJD
yes, that broke in between
2013-02-22 05321, 2013
JonnyJD
we even had libdiscid.so.1 already..
2013-02-22 05336, 2013
JonnyJD
and that is, because libtools versions are a mess to understand
2013-02-22 05346, 2013
JonnyJD
I guess. I wasn't involved back then.
2013-02-22 05326, 2013
kepstin-work
the usual way to do backwards incompatible api revisions now is to change the library name, like 'libdiscid-1.so.0' (along with libdiscid-1.pc)
2013-02-22 05338, 2013
kepstin-work
makes parallel installation possible
2013-02-22 05317, 2013
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kepstin-work
and the soversion is mostly useful so that a binary will give a link error when run against a too-old library
2013-02-22 05349, 2013
hawke_1
kepstin-work: How is it otherwise impossible? Is there some reason that libfoo.so.1 and libfoo.so.2 cannot be installed in parallel?
