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      • reoafk
        zag: ... so does Santana?
      • 2013-02-28 05926, 2013

      • reoafk
        (I checked the searches and both have the boring Latin band on top)
      • 2013-02-28 05929, 2013

      • zag
        it has 96 for some reason, I don't understand the rating
      • 2013-02-28 05946, 2013

      • zag
        bob marley has 96%
      • 2013-02-28 05948, 2013

      • zag
        wtf
      • 2013-02-28 05951, 2013

      • reoafk
        Yeah
      • 2013-02-28 05900, 2013

      • kepstin-work
        zag: the rating is based entirely on text matching over multiple fields and aliases
      • 2013-02-28 05914, 2013

      • zag
        ahh ok, im a mysql dev so i get that ;)
      • 2013-02-28 05919, 2013

      • kepstin-work
        it is unrelated to whether the artist in question is the one you want :)
      • 2013-02-28 05920, 2013

      • reoafk
        That's weird, as I admitted - but Santana seems OK, so why would that one be a problem while Nirvana isn't?
      • 2013-02-28 05924, 2013

      • hawke_1
        zag: So figure out why your preferred santana gets a lower score, and we can fix it. :-)
      • 2013-02-28 05930, 2013

      • zag
        on it
      • 2013-02-28 05909, 2013

      • reoafk
        (I mean, they both get max score on the direct database search, as expected, but the band is over the reggaeton artist on the indexes)
      • 2013-02-28 05910, 2013

      • kepstin-work
        the musicbrainz lucene-based search server always seemed sort of black magic to me
      • 2013-02-28 05921, 2013

      • reoafk
        To everyone except ijabz I think :p
      • 2013-02-28 05934, 2013

      • warp
        hrm. my scanner doesn't work under linux if it is not plugged into the linux computer. how dissapointing.
      • 2013-02-28 05943, 2013

      • zag
        any ideas which exact fields it matches?
      • 2013-02-28 05956, 2013

      • zag
        maybe we could edit bob marely the comedian down a notch
      • 2013-02-28 05901, 2013

      • kepstin-work
        zag: you're using the webservice search, or website?
      • 2013-02-28 05908, 2013

      • zag
        web service
      • 2013-02-28 05922, 2013

      • zag
        it seems different i think as well
      • 2013-02-28 05922, 2013

      • kepstin-work
        zag: really, the problem is that you're relying on name matching against an artist
      • 2013-02-28 05931, 2013

      • kepstin-work
        which is never going to work in general
      • 2013-02-28 05935, 2013

      • zag
        indeed
      • 2013-02-28 05949, 2013

      • reoafk
        zag: http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/browser/search_server is the search server code, anyway, if you want to take a look at it
      • 2013-02-28 05958, 2013

      • kepstin-work
        sure it would be nice if it could magically match the one you want better, but you cannot rely on that
      • 2013-02-28 05900, 2013

      • Mineo sees 'direct database search', links mbs-5886, goes away again
      • 2013-02-28 05914, 2013

      • zag
        thx will take a look
      • 2013-02-28 05914, 2013

      • reoafk
        mb-chat-logger, you disappoint me
      • 2013-02-28 05923, 2013

      • reoafk
        mbs-5886
      • 2013-02-28 05932, 2013

      • kepstin-work
        hmm. it ignores lowercase?
      • 2013-02-28 05932, 2013

      • reoafk
        MBS-5886 then..
      • 2013-02-28 05939, 2013

      • kepstin-work
        or maybe it's just turned off
      • 2013-02-28 05945, 2013

      • reoafk
        mb-chat-logger, on
      • 2013-02-28 05946, 2013

      • mb-chat-logger
        reoafk: I'm already logging #musicbrainz.
      • 2013-02-28 05951, 2013

      • reoafk shrugs
      • 2013-02-28 05921, 2013

      • warp
        ianmcorvidae: mb-chat-logger isn't fixing links, does it need a reboot?
      • 2013-02-28 05923, 2013

      • reoafk
      • 2013-02-28 05912, 2013

      • reoafk
        Anyone here knows how CDStubs actually work? http://forums.musicbrainz.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2…
      • 2013-02-28 05928, 2013

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      • reoafk
        (I *seem to remember* if the discID got added elsewhere the cdstub was removed but maybe I'm making it up :) )
      • 2013-02-28 05958, 2013

      • warp
        reoafk: that is the intent afaik, I have never actually interacted with cdstubs myself, so I wouldn't know.
      • 2013-02-28 05934, 2013

      • reoafk
        I love how well we understand our own processes :)
      • 2013-02-28 05938, 2013

      • warp
        :)
      • 2013-02-28 05951, 2013

      • warp
        we have too many features
      • 2013-02-28 05902, 2013

      • reoafk
        We're the Office of music databases :p
      • 2013-02-28 05906, 2013

      • warp
        let's drop all the features I don't use.
      • 2013-02-28 05920, 2013

      • reoafk
        but warp, freeDB is already on other page! :D
      • 2013-02-28 05940, 2013

      • reoafk
        (ok, freeDB with cover art I guess :p)
      • 2013-02-28 05900, 2013

      • warp
        I imported two discs from freedb this year.
      • 2013-02-28 05904, 2013

      • reoafk
        We should drop cdstubs at some point though
      • 2013-02-28 05910, 2013

      • reoafk
        Or well, merge them into geordi
      • 2013-02-28 05917, 2013

      • reoafk
        Not drop-drop them
      • 2013-02-28 05902, 2013

      • reoafk
        Why am I still afk anyway
      • 2013-02-28 05911, 2013

      • warp
        welcome back!
      • 2013-02-28 05904, 2013

      • reosarevok keeps working to ensure http://beta.musicbrainz.org/report/DuplicateRelationshipsWorks?page=26&filter=0 is empty once it arrives on production :D
      • 2013-02-28 05917, 2013

      • kepstin-work
        hmm, from a random sampling, it looks like those are mostly due to dates
      • 2013-02-28 05934, 2013

      • reosarevok
        kepstin-work: that's exactly the point
      • 2013-02-28 05940, 2013

      • kepstin-work
        some overlapping date ranges, some not overlapping
      • 2013-02-28 05958, 2013

      • reosarevok
        kepstin-work: well, it's mostly due to one date + one without date really
      • 2013-02-28 05904, 2013

      • kepstin-work would think that non-overlapping date ranges would be ok
      • 2013-02-28 05912, 2013

      • reosarevok
        heh
      • 2013-02-28 05914, 2013

      • reosarevok
        Maybe
      • 2013-02-28 05917, 2013

      • reosarevok
        Often, they're just wrong
      • 2013-02-28 05922, 2013

      • kepstin-work
        but yeah, the one with and one without is easy to clean up
      • 2013-02-28 05946, 2013

      • reosarevok
        I'm cleaning up the easy ones (maybe 70%+)
      • 2013-02-28 05955, 2013

      • reosarevok
        So that people can later look at the hard ones :)
      • 2013-02-28 05930, 2013

      • reosarevok
        Obviously, we should fix MB so that it stops happening anyway
      • 2013-02-28 05938, 2013

      • reosarevok
        But that's too hard for me to do :)
      • 2013-02-28 05943, 2013

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      • hawke_1
        Grumble…stupid “keep me logged in” checkbox.
      • 2013-02-28 05916, 2013

      • hawke_1
        reosarevok: why does this show up on that report? http://beta.musicbrainz.org/work/ceefcf56-82e6-44…
      • 2013-02-28 05936, 2013

      • reosarevok
        hawke_1: without having looked yet - translator + lyricist?
      • 2013-02-28 05947, 2013

      • hawke_1
        Ah, yep.
      • 2013-02-28 05910, 2013

      • reosarevok is so clever
      • 2013-02-28 05917, 2013

      • hawke_1
        didn’t realize that was considered the same thing.
      • 2013-02-28 05917, 2013

      • reosarevok
        Unlike our translator-as-attribute setup
      • 2013-02-28 05926, 2013

      • hawke_1
        Your psychic powers are impressive
      • 2013-02-28 05957, 2013

      • reosarevok
        hawke_1: only by MB :p
      • 2013-02-28 05905, 2013

      • reosarevok
        Feel free to RFC to make translator its own rel
      • 2013-02-28 05909, 2013

      • reosarevok
        I certainly have been tempted :p
      • 2013-02-28 05924, 2013

      • hawke_1
        Well, I don’t have a problem with translator being an attribute
      • 2013-02-28 05932, 2013

      • hawke_1
        I mean, they wrote translated lyrics, that’s fine.
      • 2013-02-28 05951, 2013

      • hawke_1
        There are other things with translations that suck
      • 2013-02-28 05905, 2013

      • reosarevok
        Well, and the arranger arranged a composition :p
      • 2013-02-28 05906, 2013

      • hawke_1
        like the description that anything in another language is a translation
      • 2013-02-28 05912, 2013

      • reosarevok
        Yet they're not composers as arrangers
      • 2013-02-28 05906, 2013

      • hawke_1
        ? translating involves creating new lyrics in a different language though
      • 2013-02-28 05920, 2013

      • hawke_1
        arrangement isn’t composition, or so I’m told.
      • 2013-02-28 05937, 2013

      • hawke_1
        (The distinction is very fuzzy to me)
      • 2013-02-28 05952, 2013

      • hawke_1
        (see “In Dulci Jubilo” discussion)
      • 2013-02-28 05900, 2013

      • reosarevok
        heh that description
      • 2013-02-28 05914, 2013

      • reosarevok
      • 2013-02-28 05921, 2013

      • reosarevok
        That should probably be updated
      • 2013-02-28 05934, 2013

      • reosarevok
      • 2013-02-28 05940, 2013

      • reosarevok
        Feel like RFCing? :p
      • 2013-02-28 05903, 2013

      • hawke_1
        er…not sure what needs to be fixed
      • 2013-02-28 05925, 2013

      • reosarevok
        Well, the translated attribute thingy should follow the same guidelines as the translator attribute thingy I assume
      • 2013-02-28 05947, 2013

      • reosarevok
        (ok, technically both are "translated", just that one's a verb and one's an adjective :p)
      • 2013-02-28 05919, 2013

      • reosarevok
        Which sucks for translation btw - ianmcorvidae, can that be solved in any way? ^
      • 2013-02-28 05928, 2013

      • reosarevok
        (without adding a second attribute that is)
      • 2013-02-28 05906, 2013

      • ianmcorvidae
        well, the vague plan to pre-interpolate the strings (i.e. *before* putting them in the message catalog) would help, I guess
      • 2013-02-28 05922, 2013

      • ianmcorvidae
        since then you'd just get the final string to translate, rather than the {} whatevers
      • 2013-02-28 05931, 2013

      • ianmcorvidae
        except for, like, instruments obviously
      • 2013-02-28 05951, 2013

      • reosarevok
        ianmcorvidae: sure, ok, the problem is that while adding the rel the attribute shown for selecting is "translated"
      • 2013-02-28 05919, 2013

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      • ianmcorvidae
        ah, hm
      • 2013-02-28 05923, 2013

      • ianmcorvidae
        no idea on that
      • 2013-02-28 05925, 2013

      • reosarevok
        I guess I could do some ugly thing like using "translation" as the translation instead and changing the strings for the actual rel
      • 2013-02-28 05955, 2013

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      • 2013-02-28 05958, 2013

      • reosarevok
        (with the translated:whatever thingy)
      • 2013-02-28 05953, 2013

      • hawke_1
        reosarevok: Think I should make a new translation style guide and link from both places?
      • 2013-02-28 05904, 2013

      • hawke_1
        That’s what I’m leaning towards
      • 2013-02-28 05951, 2013

      • reosarevok
        Hmm
      • 2013-02-28 05952, 2013

      • reosarevok
        wait
      • 2013-02-28 05914, 2013

      • reosarevok
        nikki, we took the translated guidelines for http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Lyricist_Relationship… from the attribute page, right?
      • 2013-02-28 05945, 2013

      • reosarevok
        Would you say that means they also apply to http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Other_Version_Relatio… already and the wording should just be changed without needing an RFC?
      • 2013-02-28 05939, 2013

      • hawke_1
        All the “Guidelines” section from the Other Version rel type should be dropped
      • 2013-02-28 05954, 2013

      • hawke_1
        they’re all talking about recordings really, not works
      • 2013-02-28 05903, 2013

      • hawke_1
        and that rel doesn’t apply to recordings
      • 2013-02-28 05905, 2013

      • reosarevok
        We know
      • 2013-02-28 05913, 2013

      • reosarevok
        But we were too lazy to RFC the drop :p
      • 2013-02-28 05927, 2013

      • reosarevok
        Maybe I should do that :/
      • 2013-02-28 05929, 2013

      • hawke_1
        I can do that at least. :-)
      • 2013-02-28 05935, 2013

      • reosarevok
        Ok!
      • 2013-02-28 05942, 2013

      • reosarevok
        That'd be great
      • 2013-02-28 05918, 2013

      • hawke_1
        I would do it at the same time as I updated the translated section, if that’s necessary…
      • 2013-02-28 05945, 2013

      • reosarevok
        That'd make sense IMO
      • 2013-02-28 05919, 2013

      • reosarevok
        Of course, someone might object to the translation change, which should just mean we shout at them but in the worst case you can always drop that and just go forward with the removing of silly outdated bit
      • 2013-02-28 05904, 2013

      • hawke_1
        I just don’t like the idea of having the same thing twice (translated attribute describing the exact same thing in two places)
      • 2013-02-28 05933, 2013

      • reosarevok
        (any concept of "translated version" to mark language but not actual translation would seem to me to be obsolete too with lyrics language fields)
      • 2013-02-28 05941, 2013

      • hawke_1
        agreed.
      • 2013-02-28 05924, 2013

      • hawke_1
        So should I RFC a new translation guideline, or just apply the text from “lyricist” to “other version”?
      • 2013-02-28 05933, 2013

      • hawke_1
        I feel like some of this stuff should be automatic. :-/
      • 2013-02-28 05950, 2013

      • reosarevok
        Well, the other text wouldn't be *the same* exactly
      • 2013-02-28 05919, 2013

      • hawke_1
        Well, pretty much the same.
      • 2013-02-28 05932, 2013

      • reosarevok
        Ugh, the description of the attribute on http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Librettist_Relationsh… doesn't make sense
      • 2013-02-28 05934, 2013

      • reosarevok
        Gah
      • 2013-02-28 05952, 2013

      • hawke_1
        hahaha
      • 2013-02-28 05917, 2013

      • reosarevok
        I have a birthday party today
      • 2013-02-28 05921, 2013

      • reosarevok
        So I can't look into it much more
      • 2013-02-28 05923, 2013

      • hawke_1
        So we have *three* places describing the exact same thing?
      • 2013-02-28 05928, 2013

      • reosarevok
        yes!
      • 2013-02-28 05940, 2013

      • reosarevok
        Kinda :p
      • 2013-02-28 05910, 2013

      • nikki
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      • reosarevok
        hawke_1, feel free to either look into it, or ping me tomorrow
      • 2013-02-28 05937, 2013

      • hawke_1
        reosarevok: I’ll see what I can do. Not sure how we *want* it to be is the problem.