nikki: Wow, that change to the 'edit medium' edits is damn sexy.
2013-02-13 04429, 2013
nikki
isn't it just :D
2013-02-13 04455, 2013
Jozo
nikki: Thanks
2013-02-13 04409, 2013
nikki
that's ok :)
2013-02-13 04413, 2013
Jozo
ListMyCDs: (Lueskelin eiliset keskustelut). Nyt ehkä ymmärrän paremmin Sibeliuksen ja muiden sävellyksien eri versioiden merkityksen. Mun mielestä sun tyyli tehdä noita "töitä" on ihan hyvä. En kai ole kauheasti väärin linkannut?
2013-02-13 04442, 2013
Jozo
ListMyCDs: Finlandian voisit tarkistella jossain vaiheessa. Siellä on ainakin yksi "heviversio" linkattuna (Tikanmäki), mut en tienny mitään parempaa sille silloin...
2013-02-13 04404, 2013
ListMyCDs
Jozo: Joo ei siell� kummoisia mokia ole ollut. Listaan tuonne kaikki Sibeliuksen s�vellykset ja sovitukset. Joskus n�it� on lipsahtanut v��riin versioihin kun kaikki versiot eiv�t olleet saatavilla.
2013-02-13 04415, 2013
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Jozo
ListMyCDs: http://musicbrainz.org/release/5452a736-8a75-30b8… - Otinpa ton levyn kätöseen, ku se löyty tosta pinosta. Mun kansikuvassa ole tota sinistä jutskaa, sulla ilmeisesti on? Varmaa pari eri painosta tosta..
2013-02-13 04408, 2013
ListMyCDs
Jozo: Tuo sininen on muovikanteen lis�tty tarra joka on lis�tty julkaisuihin levyn voitettua Gramophone palkinnon. Julkaisu on muuten identtinen.
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hawke_1
nikki: Is the diffing any better than it used to be (regarding the medium edits)
Leftmost: Might be slightly even better if the tracklist just showed once with diff highlighting, but this is still a HUGE improvement.
2013-02-13 04443, 2013
Leftmost
If two people performed as a duo for four years and released two albums, credited in different orders, would you split or use artist credits on a duo artist?
2013-02-13 04440, 2013
Leftmost
hawke, it would be difficult to show sections that had changed instead of been removed or added.
2013-02-13 04415, 2013
jesus2099
hi there. I came here for something but I forgot what…
2013-02-13 04416, 2013
Jozo
Who adding Various Artist release is so difficult... I managed to add release with Various Artist performed various different names (last week)
2013-02-13 04434, 2013
Jozo
s/Who/Why/
2013-02-13 04425, 2013
Jozo
Release editor is terrible
2013-02-13 04418, 2013
hawke_1
Leftmost: that about the Altan one? ;-)
2013-02-13 04450, 2013
Leftmost
hawke_1, yes.
2013-02-13 04418, 2013
Leftmost
My general instinct is to split, so I'm wondering what consensus is.
2013-02-13 04423, 2013
hawke_1
Leftmost: I would prefer to split it, but I think others might disagree.
2013-02-13 04438, 2013
hawke_1
And I can see why we would want it to show up under Altan discography
2013-02-13 04438, 2013
Leftmost
I'm sure I would split in cases where others wouldn't.
2013-02-13 04444, 2013
Leftmost
Well, the decision seems to be to have it credited to the artists properly, but monxton wants the switch to be to the Mairéad Ní Mhaonaigh & Frankie Kennedy artist, which I would like to split.
2013-02-13 04430, 2013
Leftmost
I'm a bit of a crazy splitter, though. I'd split Neil Young & Crazy Horse if I thought I could get away with it.
2013-02-13 04407, 2013
hawke_1
Leftmost: yeah, I tried that too IIRC. Or something related to that. — ah, it was Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young I think.
2013-02-13 04428, 2013
Leftmost
Yeah, I'd want to split that.
2013-02-13 04457, 2013
Leftmost
It seems we don't have any good guidelines for collaboration artists. At least not that I can find. That might be a good thing to hash out on -style.
2013-02-13 04409, 2013
hawke_1
Leftmost: I think the problem is more that we need more server support in some cases, but we don’t really know how to solve it.
2013-02-13 04441, 2013
Leftmost
How so?
2013-02-13 04417, 2013
hawke_1
good guidelines would help us decide, but it won’t make people happy when their pet artist gets the “wrong” thing done to it.
2013-02-13 04424, 2013
Leftmost
True enough.
2013-02-13 04456, 2013
hawke_1
So for example it would be nice to have a way to have collaboration artists split correctly, but still have an artist page.
2013-02-13 04408, 2013
hawke_1
Or maybe have their releases/RGs show up under some different artist
2013-02-13 04423, 2013
hawke_1
or…who knows, that’s what I mean by “server support, but we don’t know what to do”
2013-02-13 04432, 2013
Leftmost
Makes sense.
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Jozo
I like split many "collaborations", but our search can't find them if I split
hawke_1: What about http://musicbrainz.org/artist/8fa7b39a-6faa-49ab-… and "Topi Sorsakoski & Agents", "Agents & Jorma Kääriäinen"? (I selected this for example, cos it has some english references in wikipedia)
2013-02-13 04428, 2013
hawke_1
Jozo: I don’t know…I would lean towards splitting, but I don’t know the artist well enough to say.
2013-02-13 04445, 2013
hawke_1
this is where having good guidelines would be helpful (as Leftmost suggested)
2013-02-13 04405, 2013
kepstin-work
hmm. in that case, i'd be tempted to merge 'Topi Sorsakoski & Agents' into the group, and just make it an artist credit.
that's more of the case of a band which includes the lead vocalist in its name, which renamed itself on occasions when the lead vocalist changed or they didn't have one
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Jozo
kepstin-work: That's good rule. I would go still further... If artist or band have did some work outside "collaboration" and are well-known outside this "collaboration"... then I like split also
"Elonkerjuu, formerly known as Lauri Tähkä & Elonkerjuu"
2013-02-13 04453, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
so we should rename it maybe
2013-02-13 04455, 2013
Leftmost
I'm using isrcsubmit-cdrdao.py.
2013-02-13 04455, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
?
2013-02-13 04429, 2013
Jozo
ZaphodBeeblebrox: Lauri Tähkä was vocalist... "In March 2011 the singer Lauri Tähkä announced that the band's career is over.[1]"
2013-02-13 04431, 2013
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Jozo
ZaphodBeeblebrox: After then band has continued their career and Lauri Tähkä has also...
2013-02-13 04415, 2013
kepstin-work would merge http://musicbrainz.org/artist/241e5b3c-eab4-4136-8acc-2c8cc1564c93 and http://musicbrainz.org/artist/80acb463-cfe4-44e1-a067-38f4b64e12ce
2013-02-13 04441, 2013
kepstin-work
that's just another case of a band whose name previously contained the lead singer renaming themselves when the singer leaves
2013-02-13 04409, 2013
JonnyJD
jozo: isrcsubmit2 is in the pipeline and will depend on python-musicbrainz-ngs and python-discid (and won't need backends anymore)
2013-02-13 04404, 2013
JonnyJD
jozo: and I want to fix that duplicate ISRC slide down bug (in libdiscid) before that
2013-02-13 04433, 2013
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Jozo
JonnyJD: I have followed it... icedax gives me duplicates also
2013-02-13 04454, 2013
Jozo
Not yet tried new libdiscid...
2013-02-13 04423, 2013
Jozo
Is libdiscid python api uptodate for getting ISRCs?
I think the ISRC data in the subchannel should be repeated over the track, so you might be able to workaround the issue by just reading from slightly after the track starts
2013-02-13 04452, 2013
JonnyJD
because that bug surfaces on different OSes when issuing direct SCSI commands, and only on certain drives -> probably firmware
kepstin-work wonders how eac reads the subchannel data
2013-02-13 04417, 2013
Jozo
I can test it tomorrow...
2013-02-13 04447, 2013
JonnyJD
Is EAC open source?
2013-02-13 04455, 2013
kepstin-work
unfortunately not
2013-02-13 04418, 2013
kepstin-work
but it wouldn't be hard to get a trace of the scsi commands it sends
2013-02-13 04442, 2013
JonnyJD
I looked into the code of cdrdao and cdda2wav/icedax and both use the same SCSI command (which leads to duplicates, but only on certain (but many) drives)
2013-02-13 04416, 2013
JonnyJD
there is one scsi command to read the q-subchannel data -> that has problems on some drives
2013-02-13 04447, 2013
JonnyJD
there is a scsi command to READ cds where you can extract q-subchannel data -> that one seems to work on all drives (but is only optional in the spec)
2013-02-13 04438, 2013
kepstin-work
from eac's behaviour, it seems like it uses a subchannel extraction command and reads over a range looking for encoded isrcs
2013-02-13 04439, 2013
JonnyJD
interestingly, the READ command also only ready once, but reads fine. Using that q-channel command it actually helps issuing the command multiple times helps for some (but not all) cases
2013-02-13 04457, 2013
JonnyJD
that would be READ command
2013-02-13 04415, 2013
kepstin-work
mostly in how it's much faster when it finds an isrc; it seems to retry multiple times and take longer if the tracks don't have isrcs
2013-02-13 04418, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
Jozo: yes so therefore we should rename the thing Elonkerjuu, right? if it is called that now
2013-02-13 04424, 2013
JonnyJD
you have to read a couple of sectors until you find a sector with ISRC information, but the first such sector always gave the correct ISRC for me
2013-02-13 04431, 2013
kepstin-work
yeah, that seems to match the eac behaviour i've seen.
2013-02-13 04432, 2013
JonnyJD
kepstin-work: my implementation currently reads at most 150 sectors (2 seconds), Per spec there should be at least one ISRC in 100 sectors.
2013-02-13 04444, 2013
JonnyJD
I still have to implement some kind of check if the READ command is implemented, since it is optional in the spec (and do the broken command otherwise)
2013-02-13 04402, 2013
CatCat
Freso: pong
2013-02-13 04433, 2013
Jozo
ZaphodBeeblebrox: Or split Lauri Tähkä & Elonkerjuu to Lauri Tähkä and Elonkerjuu (what is now impossible due relations on Lauri Tähkä & Elonkerjuu)... I don't know how I can manage this well and easily
2013-02-13 04439, 2013
kepstin-work
JonnyJD: you should probably warn the user in that case, too. I suspect more drives implement it than not, tho.
2013-02-13 04400, 2013
kepstin-work
Jozo: I would not split that. "Lauri Tähkä & Elonkerjuu" is the full band name.
2013-02-13 04412, 2013
kepstin-work
(or it used to be, before they renamed to just "Elonkerjuu")
2013-02-13 04416, 2013
JonnyJD
well, both of my drives on my dev machine implement it (and one drive gives duplicates with that other implementation)
2013-02-13 04457, 2013
ZaphodBeeblebrox
kepstin-work: my thoughts exactly
2013-02-13 04454, 2013
kepstin-work
JonnyJD: hmm, do you think scanning the track until you find the same isrc twice would help?
2013-02-13 04410, 2013
Jozo
kepstin-work: Merging Lauri Tähkä and Elonkerjuu to Elonkerjuu is evil also.
2013-02-13 04421, 2013
kepstin-work
Jozo: why? it's the same group
2013-02-13 04433, 2013
kepstin-work
just with the name changed after one member left
2013-02-13 04459, 2013
JonnyJD
the broken command does only allow to specifiy a track, no sector. And the working command doesn't seem to need to find more than one ISRC
2013-02-13 04401, 2013
kepstin-work
we would add both names as aliases with dates set, and artist credits would be used to say the group's name at time of album release
2013-02-13 04427, 2013
Jozo
kepstin-work: Same group, but it's nothing same after lead singer left... Lead singer was all what they was
2013-02-13 04402, 2013
JonnyJD
kepstin-work: I will announce a test release when I implemented the new method also for windows (currently only for linux)
2013-02-13 04406, 2013
Jozo
kepstin-work: It's bad give credits only to band when there was band AND lead singer
2013-02-13 04424, 2013
kepstin-work
Jozo: the lead singer is a member of the band...
2013-02-13 04430, 2013
Jozo
kepstin-work: It's still well-known "Lauri Tähkä" and some band...
