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      • yindesu
      • 2013-09-17 26053, 2013

      • yindesu
        CatQuest: http://musicbrainz.org/doc/How_to_Identify_Labels… already has an example of Phonographic Copyright != Release Label
      • 2013-09-17 26005, 2013

      • yindesu
        Can you tell me if I need to add anything to that example?
      • 2013-09-17 26023, 2013

      • CatQuest
        what me? no
      • 2013-09-17 26027, 2013

      • CatQuest
        I am going t obed
      • 2013-09-17 26030, 2013

      • CatQuest
        natta all
      • 2013-09-17 26043, 2013

      • yindesu
        then I can't try to explain the difference to you...
      • 2013-09-17 26015, 2013

      • CatQuest
        well ia mstill going to bed, it's 23:06 here
      • 2013-09-17 26050, 2013

      • Jozo
        discogs has phonographic copyright (and also copyright)
      • 2013-09-17 26003, 2013

      • yindesu
        Discogs has a beyond-complete record company schema
      • 2013-09-17 26012, 2013

      • Jozo
        That something we really suck
      • 2013-09-17 26015, 2013

      • yindesu
        many of the terms are equivalent / used differently depending on the company
      • 2013-09-17 26026, 2013

      • yindesu
        e.g., Made / Manufactured / Marketed / Promoted / Distributed
      • 2013-09-17 26031, 2013

      • CatQuest
        NATTA
      • 2013-09-17 26034, 2013

      • yindesu
        not all of them are the same but some companies use terms interchangeably
      • 2013-09-17 26056, 2013

      • Jozo
        yindesu: But not phonographic copyright (as I known)
      • 2013-09-17 26017, 2013

      • yindesu
        yeah, I'm just explaining what "beyond-complete" means :)
      • 2013-09-17 26044, 2013

      • yindesu
        we certainly don't have anything equivalent to phonographic copyright right now, if you accept that release label != phonographic copyright from http://musicbrainz.org/doc/How_to_Identify_Labels…
      • 2013-09-17 26002, 2013

      • Jozo
        yindesu: Yep. You get all my points for makeking phonographic copyright to musicbrainz
      • 2013-09-17 26012, 2013

      • Jozo
        yindesu: You refered it on some discussion (on mailing-list)... But I only find ticket: http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-93
      • 2013-09-17 26057, 2013

      • yindesu
        Jozo: the problem is that relationships are not "easy to edit" :(
      • 2013-09-17 26015, 2013

      • Jozo
        yindesu: Why?
      • 2013-09-17 26021, 2013

      • yindesu
        this stuff should go in the Release Editor ideally
      • 2013-09-17 26046, 2013

      • yindesu
        presumably, new users who are only interested in copying iTunes won't want to perform extra work outside of that?
      • 2013-09-17 26009, 2013

      • yindesu
        but anyway, after I get our Publisher relationship fixed in 2 days, I might try adding a brand new (P) copyright.
      • 2013-09-17 26025, 2013

      • Jozo
      • 2013-09-17 26032, 2013

      • yindesu
        I would add "
      • 2013-09-17 26033, 2013

      • yindesu
        All releases, physical and digital, have phonographic copyrights. This information is readily available from digital media stores and on the back cover / disc of physical releases."
      • 2013-09-17 26005, 2013

      • yindesu
        I suppose you would also need to say it's a Label-Release and Artist-Release relationship
      • 2013-09-17 26010, 2013

      • yindesu
        possibly also for Recordings
      • 2013-09-17 26050, 2013

      • Jozo
        .. ( I just try find some release added by me)
      • 2013-09-17 26004, 2013

      • Jozo
      • 2013-09-17 26047, 2013

      • Jozo
      • 2013-09-17 26010, 2013

      • yindesu
        http://images.coveralia.com/audio/e/Eternal_Tears… looks like an independent release?
      • 2013-09-17 26036, 2013

      • yindesu
        looks like it would be X-Treme Records
      • 2013-09-17 26047, 2013

      • yindesu
        unless someone believes it's "self published" and not a real label
      • 2013-09-17 26057, 2013

      • yindesu
        because I ran into such an argument before, I think
      • 2013-09-17 26056, 2013

      • yindesu
        I guess Phonofile AS is a distributor. http://www.phonofile.com/?page_id=4
      • 2013-09-17 26004, 2013

      • Jozo
        yindesu: X-Treme Records is correct label for CD release.... but...
      • 2013-09-17 26025, 2013

      • Jozo
        yindesu: And Phonofile is distributor... (
      • 2013-09-17 26039, 2013

      • yindesu
        according to http://musicbrainz.org/doc/How_to_Identify_Labels you shouldn't pick the distributor
      • 2013-09-17 26003, 2013

      • Jozo
      • 2013-09-17 26001, 2013

      • Jozo
        yindesu: Musick Assault is also distributer... but It re-released that album (as far I can know)
      • 2013-09-17 26017, 2013

      • Jozo
        yindesu: So what is real label? :)
      • 2013-09-17 26025, 2013

      • yindesu
        the re-release, no idea. If you know Musick Assault is a digital distributor (not a store), I would link it with a label-release Distributed relationship. (currently, it's part of a massive "Publisher" relationship.)
      • 2013-09-17 26049, 2013

      • Jozo
      • 2013-09-17 26002, 2013

      • yindesu
        release label, I know some auto-editors would want you to use the original label
      • 2013-09-17 26044, 2013

      • Jozo
        yindesu: And it takes me some minutes to trafer that bath... And you just can say I'm wrong :)
      • 2013-09-17 26016, 2013

      • yindesu
        yeah, I would use the original label then
      • 2013-09-17 26030, 2013

      • yindesu
        Musick Assault helps artists get their (old?) music onto stores.
      • 2013-09-17 26029, 2013

      • Jozo
        yindesu: So it's not released by original record company..
      • 2013-09-17 26052, 2013

      • yindesu
        yeah, there's certainly not agreement on digital
      • 2013-09-17 26043, 2013

      • yindesu
        currently, the label-release "Publisher" relationship is supposed to be used for distribution
      • 2013-09-17 26011, 2013

      • Jozo
        something like that
      • 2013-09-17 26038, 2013

      • yindesu
        " The publisher is the person or organization that manufactures (or contracts out manufacturing), distributes (or contracts out distribution), and promotes (or contracts out promotion)."
      • 2013-09-17 26054, 2013

      • yindesu
        assuming no one objects to my RFV, in 2 days those things will be split out of that massive failure from 2005
      • 2013-09-17 26009, 2013

      • yindesu
        those things are not at all equivalent, why are they in the same relationship type :(
      • 2013-09-17 26015, 2013

      • Jozo
        yindesu: +1 (I'm not said on anything on list cos I do not like say ;)
      • 2013-09-17 26052, 2013

      • Jozo
        kuno: What is correct label for this (all relevant info can be found on edit notes hopefully): http://beta.musicbrainz.org/release/cd99169a-d40f…
      • 2013-09-17 26054, 2013

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