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      • derr84
        I want to see info about charts and awards on MB :)
      • 2012-07-04 18654, 2012

      • reosarevok
        heh
      • 2012-07-04 18610, 2012

      • reosarevok
        I have no idea how we could store that
      • 2012-07-04 18615, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (apart from in the annotation)
      • 2012-07-04 18647, 2012

      • derr84
        IMDb can :)
      • 2012-07-04 18623, 2012

      • Freso
        derr84: Put it in the annotation for now.
      • 2012-07-04 18648, 2012

      • Freso
        derr84: That way the data will be there if we ever actually get to add it properly.
      • 2012-07-04 18649, 2012

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      • CatCat
        hn
      • 2012-07-04 18644, 2012

      • CatCat
        isn't it wrong t oadd those?
      • 2012-07-04 18629, 2012

      • reosarevok
        To add what?
      • 2012-07-04 18617, 2012

      • CatCat
        I'm sorry but i keep thinkign that to add a relationship like "x played guitar, trumpet and trekbasoon on y" is wrong when x is [unknown]
      • 2012-07-04 18632, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Oh
      • 2012-07-04 18601, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Well, there's no guideline in either direction so I guess everyone can just vote what they think
      • 2012-07-04 18617, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But it is still the only way we have to indicate that *someone* played guitar
      • 2012-07-04 18629, 2012

      • CatCat
        he doesn't make it easier wne he's patronizing me to the elevent degree by saying i should read "an introduction to voting"
      • 2012-07-04 18644, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Well, admittedly that page does say " If you're voting No, please always leave an edit note explaining why"
      • 2012-07-04 18654, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (which I assume is what you didn't do?)
      • 2012-07-04 18617, 2012

      • CatCat
        i don't know.. i'd think "i disagree" is tha same is "no" as a vote
      • 2012-07-04 18627, 2012

      • CatCat
        peopel are so damn sore about everything
      • 2012-07-04 18603, 2012

      • CatCat
        i remember 6 years ago, nobody *DEMANDED* you to explain your no vote, or your yes vote for that matter
      • 2012-07-04 18610, 2012

      • CatCat
        your vote was your voice
      • 2012-07-04 18649, 2012

      • kepstin-work
        it's pretty much expected that you'll explain a no vote now, though.
      • 2012-07-04 18653, 2012

      • reosarevok
        It's not the point. People know you disagree. But as the page continues, "this allows the editor to explain his reasons or, if the edit is just wrong, gives him/her pointers on what to do instead"
      • 2012-07-04 18605, 2012

      • CatCat
        hmm
      • 2012-07-04 18608, 2012

      • CatCat
        yea yea
      • 2012-07-04 18612, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Basically, the point is that if you don't say why you think it's wrong, people will keep being wrong
      • 2012-07-04 18638, 2012

      • CatCat
        but usually peopel then point out that my oppinion can go fuck itself and either i cange my vote to abstai nor i change my vote to yes
      • 2012-07-04 18651, 2012

      • CatCat
        I'll explain
      • 2012-07-04 18608, 2012

      • CatCat
        on what page does it say this isn't decided either way reo?
      • 2012-07-04 18655, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Well, it doesn't say it. Because it's not decided :p
      • 2012-07-04 18605, 2012

      • reosarevok
        There's nothing written about it at all, I think
      • 2012-07-04 18623, 2012

      • CatCat
        ok
      • 2012-07-04 18624, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (some conversations about it on the chatlogs, at most)
      • 2012-07-04 18637, 2012

      • CatCat
        well i canged my vote to abstai nbecasuse my oppinion is always questioned.. this is why i usually don't actually leaver a message, becasue it always leads to an argument i can't defend or fights i can't win. my oppinion is recirded, i chnage my vote becasue i can't say anything, but atleast it's ther for posterity
      • 2012-07-04 18606, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Well, you don't *have* to change your vote if you are not convinced by their arguments
      • 2012-07-04 18614, 2012

      • CatCat
        people don't really go crazy gonuts if I get a no vote without explanation
      • 2012-07-04 18629, 2012

      • CatCat
        yes i do becasue they keep spammign me and gettign angry
      • 2012-07-04 18633, 2012

      • CatCat
        always
      • 2012-07-04 18643, 2012

      • CatCat
        "you have no point" this is right yo uare wrong etc etc"
      • 2012-07-04 18652, 2012

      • reosarevok
        If you were voting against a guideline, then yeah
      • 2012-07-04 18655, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But this is not the case, so...
      • 2012-07-04 18659, 2012

      • reosarevok shrugs
      • 2012-07-04 18605, 2012

      • CatCat shrug
      • 2012-07-04 18608, 2012

      • reosarevok
      • 2012-07-04 18615, 2012

      • reosarevok
        All recordings CSG-fied! :D
      • 2012-07-04 18619, 2012

      • CatCat
        :O
      • 2012-07-04 18643, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (which means that list is empty except for the three the composer performed too, and one that's being merged)
      • 2012-07-04 18643, 2012

      • CatCat
        so what ae we doing, recordign go to whomever recorded them, work to the composer, and tracklist whatever rthe fucks on the liner?
      • 2012-07-04 18612, 2012

      • CatCat
        that's the idea i had once too a few weeks ago whiel on the can
      • 2012-07-04 18622, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Tracklist to composer, usually, but yeah
      • 2012-07-04 18626, 2012

      • CatCat
        not that i've followed along with csg discussion at all mind you
      • 2012-07-04 18636, 2012

      • reosarevok checks the exact wording
      • 2012-07-04 18638, 2012

      • CatCat
        well composer's usually what's on the liner so :)
      • 2012-07-04 18649, 2012

      • reosarevok
      • 2012-07-04 18658, 2012

      • reosarevok
        All we have for now, at least
      • 2012-07-04 18607, 2012

      • CatCat
        do yo uahve a tl;dr version?
      • 2012-07-04 18609, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Oh, it says composer specifically
      • 2012-07-04 18630, 2012

      • reosarevok
        "The Track Artist field should contain just the composer; not the performer(s). Use special artist [unknown] if you cannot find out who the composer is"
      • 2012-07-04 18644, 2012

      • CatCat
        erh i think you mean anon
      • 2012-07-04 18645, 2012

      • reosarevok
        "The Recording Artist field should contain the most important performers who appear on that specific recording, but it is acceptable that newly-created recordings have their artist information derived from a tracklist. Use a comma between multiple artists"
      • 2012-07-04 18600, 2012

      • CatCat
        if you don't knoew the composer it's [anonymous]
      • 2012-07-04 18614, 2012

      • reosarevok
        No, no. You use [anon] if it's anon, you use [unknown] if you can't find the info (because the release sucks, for example)
      • 2012-07-04 18621, 2012

      • CatCat
        oh liek that
      • 2012-07-04 18628, 2012

      • CatCat
        but wher eare you readign all this
      • 2012-07-04 18637, 2012

      • reosarevok
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      • CatCat
        http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Classical doesn't actually say anything
      • 2012-07-04 18651, 2012

      • CatCat
        sorry it's greek to me :/
      • 2012-07-04 18605, 2012

      • CatCat
        wher is the classical style guide now?
      • 2012-07-04 18621, 2012

      • reosarevok
        There
      • 2012-07-04 18625, 2012

      • reosarevok
        It's just divided in sections
      • 2012-07-04 18625, 2012

      • CatCat
        link?
      • 2012-07-04 18626, 2012

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      • reosarevok
        Click the different links for each thing in http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Classical :p
      • 2012-07-04 18641, 2012

      • reosarevok
        It's all there! :)
      • 2012-07-04 18645, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Well, "all"
      • 2012-07-04 18649, 2012

      • reosarevok
        All that has passed style for now
      • 2012-07-04 18653, 2012

      • CatCat
        i'm beign stupid. please help?
      • 2012-07-04 18610, 2012

      • kepstin-work
        CatCat: you see the links that say "Release and Release Group Title", etc.?
      • 2012-07-04 18613, 2012

      • kepstin-work
        click those.
      • 2012-07-04 18616, 2012

      • CatCat
        i don't understand
      • 2012-07-04 18632, 2012

      • CatCat
        why do those need a full page by themselves?
      • 2012-07-04 18649, 2012

      • CatCat
        atleast make a short general thing under the header
      • 2012-07-04 18651, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Because the old CSG was tl;dr
      • 2012-07-04 18653, 2012

      • reosarevok
        As you said
      • 2012-07-04 18600, 2012

      • CatCat
        aha! os it's a left over
      • 2012-07-04 18606, 2012

      • reosarevok
        No, no
      • 2012-07-04 18616, 2012

      • reosarevok
        The old CSG was tl;dr *because* it was (almost) all in one page
      • 2012-07-04 18620, 2012

      • CatCat
        once i ma very much less tired than today i could read al lthis and make a short summary of each topic
      • 2012-07-04 18633, 2012

      • reosarevok
        I guess a short summary could be put there, though
      • 2012-07-04 18637, 2012

      • CatCat
        yes
      • 2012-07-04 18644, 2012

      • reosarevok
        It's just that it's so partial right now that it might feel weird
      • 2012-07-04 18651, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (for example, there's nothing at all for works)
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      • Shepard
        hm. didn't we use to have relationships for live sound or is my brain making things up again?
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      • Shepard
        no live sound recording/mixing/engineering, no front of house, nothing :/
      • 2012-07-04 18655, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Shepard: we did
      • 2012-07-04 18657, 2012

      • reosarevok
        It was merged
      • 2012-07-04 18603, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (RFC a long time ago IIRC)
      • 2012-07-04 18620, 2012

      • Shepard
        aha! so I'm not imagining things :D
      • 2012-07-04 18639, 2012

      • Shepard
        do you remember what it was called and what it was merged into?
      • 2012-07-04 18655, 2012

      • reosarevok
        "live sound engineering" and into "sound engineering" IIRC
      • 2012-07-04 18658, 2012

      • reosarevok checks
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      • reosarevok
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      • Shepard
        thanks!
      • 2012-07-04 18634, 2012

      • kepstin-work
        it might make sense to add a 'live' attribute to some of the engineering ars, imo.
      • 2012-07-04 18643, 2012

      • Freso
        It might also make sense to go to bed early for once.
      • 2012-07-04 18647, 2012

      • Freso
        G'night!
      • 2012-07-04 18652, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Night
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      • derr84
        ba-bye)
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      • Shepard
        so many 502s...
      • 2012-07-04 18614, 2012

      • reosarevok
        yeah
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      • click
        .
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      • reosarevok
        clack, bang?
      • 2012-07-04 18645, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Oh, already a bang there
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