kepstin-work: indeed, nikki had some concepts for that but dunno
2012-06-01 15352, 2012
Freso
Isn't it possible to simply say "a different recording"? >_>
2012-06-01 15322, 2012
reosarevok
kepstin-work: the main problems are keeping them in sync, and the fact that I guess we need to codify that in case of conflicts between the original and the translations, the original applies
2012-06-01 15326, 2012
reosarevok
Freso: where?
2012-06-01 15342, 2012
jacobbrett
Freso, that's what grouping different recordings under the same work implies?
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Freso
jacobbrett: Well, then you don't need to indicate that the interlude is a later/earlier version from the "final" one.
Freso: the problem is that the interlude, in this case, precedes the creation of a full work with lyrics
2012-06-01 15308, 2012
jacobbrett
Freso, in this case I added the recordings under different works, because I feel they're substantially different from one another, which I also suppose implies "different version"
2012-06-01 15317, 2012
kepstin-work would put them as two works, with a link between the works.
2012-06-01 15341, 2012
reosarevok
kepstin-work: so would I, but I'd much rather call that "derivative" or "related" than "later version of" :(
No linguistic content should be in square brackets...
2012-06-01 15342, 2012
Freso
kepstin-work: There is a "No lyrical content" option for works?
2012-06-01 15358, 2012
kepstin-work
Freso: no.
2012-06-01 15333, 2012
kepstin-work
there's a lyrics language option, which lets you set the lyrics language to say that "there are lyrics, but they aren't in a language with meaning"
2012-06-01 15357, 2012
Freso
Aw. Man.
2012-06-01 15334, 2012
Freso
I've added a bunch of (mostly trad.) tunes, which obv. have no lyrics at all. And been unable to mark them properly so.
2012-06-01 15301, 2012
Freso
(And unable to mark them as any specific kind of work too.)
2012-06-01 15305, 2012
kepstin-work
the best we can do now is just not give the work a lyricist.
2012-06-01 15330, 2012
jacobbrett
Freso: I'm in the same boat with non-classical instrumentals...
2012-06-01 15302, 2012
warp
SultS: yeah, although it may get closed as "Cannot reproduce" if we cannot figure out what happened.
2012-06-01 15306, 2012
kepstin-work
we have an 'instrumental' checkbox on the 'recording of' ar that's useful pretty much only for instrumental versions of songs that previously had vocals
2012-06-01 15326, 2012
reosarevok
Freso / kepstin-work: technically, zzx no linguistic content can be used for no content at all
2012-06-01 15338, 2012
reosarevok
(there were some debates on the ISO code meanings about it)
2012-06-01 15346, 2012
reosarevok
But that's not too useful, sadly
2012-06-01 15354, 2012
kepstin-work
hmm, our wording of the attribute name makes that more unclear tho
2012-06-01 15312, 2012
kepstin-work
because if you set the 'lyrics language', presumably you're saying something about the lyrics
2012-06-01 15332, 2012
reosarevok
kepstin-work: yeah, although the line is fuzzy
2012-06-01 15334, 2012
warp
SultS: the other release was added first, and it looks like the tracklist is a perfect match if you ignore the trailing tracks.
2012-06-01 15338, 2012
reosarevok
What's "no lyrics"?
2012-06-01 15354, 2012
reosarevok
Is scat singing no linguistic lyrics, or none at all?
2012-06-01 15300, 2012
reosarevok
Or random growls
2012-06-01 15305, 2012
warp
SultS: perhaps the code which re-uses tracklists has a bug where it doesn't check correctly that their lengths are the same.
2012-06-01 15315, 2012
warp
(or had a bug, seeing this release was entered in 2011)
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kepstin-work would only consider them lyrics if they can be written down and used for repeat/cover performances
2012-06-01 15348, 2012
reosarevok
kepstin-work: that's very fuzzy too. Is an instruction lyrics, for esample?
2012-06-01 15350, 2012
reosarevok
*x
2012-06-01 15308, 2012
Freso
kepstin-work: Meh. Lilting can be written down and repeated for another performance - that doesn't make it any more lyrics than writing down the notes, rhythm, or chords of a tune though.
2012-06-01 15309, 2012
reosarevok
"Improvisation on the following motif" or whatever
2012-06-01 15338, 2012
reosarevok
:D
2012-06-01 15350, 2012
reosarevok
My brother bought me Borderlands in some sale
2012-06-01 15357, 2012
reosarevok
Backlog - infinite!
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kepstin-work notes that track 1 on http://coverartarchive.org/release/a1136fcf-30c8-4926-8381-f3e38c7b978d/1103226790.jpg is an example of a work with lyrics but no linguistic content
Where should the Genre be positioned? Or is there no Genre option on MB.
2012-06-01 15308, 2012
kepstin-work
Digweed: there is no genre on mb.
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kepstin-work
but we do have tags
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kepstin-work
(which you can fill in with whatever you like, including genre names)
2012-06-01 15337, 2012
Digweed
Ok, because my tagger (Jaikoz) says genre is "Other" lol. I guess that data comes from somewhere else....
2012-06-01 15349, 2012
Digweed
Discogs I guess
2012-06-01 15308, 2012
kepstin-work
yeah, I don't know how jaikoz genres work, and the author isn't around at the moment
2012-06-01 15351, 2012
reosarevok
Discogs is probably it
2012-06-01 15312, 2012
reosarevok
no
2012-06-01 15315, 2012
Digweed
Discogs says Grunge
2012-06-01 15320, 2012
reosarevok
Discogs has rock, style: grunge
2012-06-01 15322, 2012
reosarevok
Yeah
2012-06-01 15332, 2012
Digweed
Jeez where does this come from lol.
2012-06-01 15302, 2012
Digweed
One song says Rock in my tagger. I did autoupdate, nothing changes.
2012-06-01 15310, 2012
Digweed
It got that date from somewhere.
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Digweed
*data
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hawke_1
was the file tagged with a genre before? Maybe it was already tagged and Jaikoz didn’t change it?
2012-06-01 15350, 2012
Digweed
Yes I guess that's it.
2012-06-01 15329, 2012
Digweed
By looking at the tagger's console, it rechecks MB and updates, ignores Discogs because discogs id is present in the tags. Let's see if I can always overwrite Discogs or something.
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Digweed
Ok, this is a really nasty put away setting in Jaikoz hah.
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bitmap
reosarevok: I don't understand, if there's an end-date wouldn't "finished" automatically be marked as true in the db anyway?
