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      • xteejx
        http://acoustid.org/track/73522fc1-eae2-4a10-9252… http://musicbrainz.org/recording/44612124-bad8-40… http://musicbrainz.org/recording/4407f471-493b-45… I would probably merge these two.....

        • 2012-08-05 21855, 2012

      • ronoc joined the channel

        • 2012-08-05 21802, 2012

      • xteejx
        ?

        • 2012-08-05 21829, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Boom

        • 2012-08-05 21835, 2012

      • reosarevok
        http://musicbrainz.org/edit/18614164

        • 2012-08-05 21837, 2012

      • reosarevok
        there goes the merge

        • 2012-08-05 21806, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Most likely the same, yeah

        • 2012-08-05 21822, 2012

      • xteejx
        wow that's a lot of works

        • 2012-08-05 21816, 2012

      • reosarevok
        I did say it was big

        • 2012-08-05 21823, 2012

      • xteejx
        :)

        • 2012-08-05 21856, 2012

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        • 2012-08-05 21801, 2012

      • Vorpal
        question: I have this Norwegian release in an English version: http://musicbrainz.org/release/c4efd0d5-7eab-474a…

        • 2012-08-05 21808, 2012

      • Vorpal
        how should I go about adding info about it?

        • 2012-08-05 21814, 2012

      • Vorpal
        like english track names and so on

        • 2012-08-05 21830, 2012

      • Vorpal
        the release also falls under CSG rules

        • 2012-08-05 21856, 2012

      • Vorpal
        oh and the Naxos catalogue number is different

        • 2012-08-05 21807, 2012

      • Vorpal
        exact same tracks though

        • 2012-08-05 21810, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Hmm

        • 2012-08-05 21812, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Ok

        • 2012-08-05 21814, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Same release group

        • 2012-08-05 21821, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Go to the release group, press Add release

        • 2012-08-05 21837, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Load the existing release when you get to "Release duplicates" and change the titles

        • 2012-08-05 21842, 2012

      • Vorpal
        ah

        • 2012-08-05 21840, 2012

      • Vorpal
        reosarevok, what about CSG though? I presume it messes everything up like it usually does?

        • 2012-08-05 21856, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Well, the Norwegian version seems reasonably OK

        • 2012-08-05 21859, 2012

      • Vorpal
        hm

        • 2012-08-05 21802, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Hmm, disc 3 does

        • 2012-08-05 21810, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Disc 1 I guess is Peer Gynt

        • 2012-08-05 21819, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (and should have Peer Gynt: before track titles

        • 2012-08-05 21820, 2012

      • reosarevok
        )

        • 2012-08-05 21825, 2012

      • Vorpal
        not all of disc 1

        • 2012-08-05 21834, 2012

      • Vorpal
        there is some other stuff apart from peer gynt on it

        • 2012-08-05 21837, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Oh, I see now

        • 2012-08-05 21846, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Hmm

        • 2012-08-05 21857, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Can I have the Naxos cat# in your release? :)

        • 2012-08-05 21800, 2012

      • Vorpal
        sec

        • 2012-08-05 21810, 2012

      • Vorpal
        8.503186

        • 2012-08-05 21813, 2012

      • Vorpal
        it could be a Swedish one

        • 2012-08-05 21820, 2012

      • Vorpal
        though all the text is in English

        • 2012-08-05 21805, 2012

      • reosarevok
        That's a standard Naxos cat#

        • 2012-08-05 21808, 2012

      • Vorpal
        right

        • 2012-08-05 21811, 2012

      • reosarevok
        So it's probably pretty much worldwide

        • 2012-08-05 21817, 2012

      • reosarevok usually leaves country blank

        • 2012-08-05 21819, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (for those)

        • 2012-08-05 21823, 2012

      • Vorpal
        well the Norwegian one had a different number

        • 2012-08-05 21831, 2012

      • Vorpal
        " MUD-8.503-186N "

        • 2012-08-05 21836, 2012

      • Vorpal
        I have never seen that format before

        • 2012-08-05 21849, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Yeah, and that kinda looks like a licensed re-release of some kind

        • 2012-08-05 21855, 2012

      • Vorpal
        possibly

        • 2012-08-05 21859, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (and that should probably be marked as a different label)

        • 2012-08-05 21805, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Anyway

        • 2012-08-05 21806, 2012

      • reosarevok
        http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code…

        • 2012-08-05 21827, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Heh

        • 2012-08-05 21828, 2012

      • reosarevok
        There you go

        • 2012-08-05 21834, 2012

      • reosarevok
        "

        • 2012-08-05 21840, 2012

      • reosarevok
        So in this case it is a Swedish release :)

        • 2012-08-05 21858, 2012

      • Vorpal
        I have no idea why, but naxos loads really slowly for me. Always has.

        • 2012-08-05 21811, 2012

      • Vorpal
        ah finally loaded

        • 2012-08-05 21819, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Yeah, it's slow in general I think

        • 2012-08-05 21820, 2012

      • Vorpal
        about a minute to load

        • 2012-08-05 21821, 2012

      • Vorpal
        after this I have the rest of a 7 disc release of Villa-Lobos from Bis to add in... Fun... (Added in one or two discs last year then I forgot about it)

        • 2012-08-05 21847, 2012

      • reosarevok
        So, it's generally safe to just follow your cover or other tracklist on the CD, since it should be OK

        • 2012-08-05 21827, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Just remember to put the full piece title (as printed on the release, but following http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Classical/Langua… ) before each part

        • 2012-08-05 21835, 2012

      • Vorpal
        you mean Naxos follow CSG? Hrrm. Well the summary track list on the back of the paper box does not. The track list on each CD case seems okay though

        • 2012-08-05 21858, 2012

      • reosarevok
        No, but CSG is no longer needed in its most strict way

        • 2012-08-05 21803, 2012

      • Vorpal
        oh?

        • 2012-08-05 21808, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (that is, not every damn title needs to be exactly the same)

        • 2012-08-05 21812, 2012

      • Vorpal
        ah

        • 2012-08-05 21813, 2012

      • Vorpal
        good

        • 2012-08-05 21817, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (since we can just link it to the right works)

        • 2012-08-05 21832, 2012

      • Vorpal
        I have like 70 classical CDs that I never got around to adding to musicbrainz because of CSG pain

        • 2012-08-05 21841, 2012

      • reosarevok
        So what I do now (and most people I think) is mostly follow what's printed, but with some corrections

        • 2012-08-05 21843, 2012

      • Vorpal
        also they had no label on them

        • 2012-08-05 21855, 2012

      • Vorpal
        well, no proper label

        • 2012-08-05 21801, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (always putting the full work name before them etc)

        • 2012-08-05 21815, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (also, op. and no. should be lowercase, as per the latest guidelines)

        • 2012-08-05 21825, 2012

      • Vorpal
        did that change?

        • 2012-08-05 21836, 2012

      • Vorpal
        I don't think I added a release since last summer or so

        • 2012-08-05 21839, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Yeah

        • 2012-08-05 21850, 2012

      • reosarevok
        It was Op. and No. before

        • 2012-08-05 21852, 2012

      • Vorpal
        hm

        • 2012-08-05 21808, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But there was some discussion and it was decided to use lowercase, some Grove stuff I think

        • 2012-08-05 21815, 2012

      • Vorpal
        anyway you said something about linking to the work

        • 2012-08-05 21819, 2012

      • Vorpal
        what is that about?

        • 2012-08-05 21822, 2012

      • reosarevok
        :)

        • 2012-08-05 21834, 2012

      • Vorpal
        also who/what is Grove with a capital G?

        • 2012-08-05 21804, 2012

      • reosarevok
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Grove_Dictio… I think

        • 2012-08-05 21828, 2012

      • Vorpal
        heh

        • 2012-08-05 21840, 2012

      • reosarevok
        And works... look at http://musicbrainz.org/release/9dca6fc5-224a-4c01…

        • 2012-08-05 21849, 2012

      • reosarevok
        See the "recording of" thingy?

        • 2012-08-05 21852, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Those are works

        • 2012-08-05 21802, 2012

      • reosarevok
        If you click on one, like http://musicbrainz.org/work/d94d2e8b-78d3-3d2f-a7…

        • 2012-08-05 21802, 2012

      • Vorpal
        no.. because my computer just decided to swap out firefox...

        • 2012-08-05 21806, 2012

      • Vorpal
        wait a sec

        • 2012-08-05 21810, 2012

      • Vorpal
        right

        • 2012-08-05 21822, 2012

      • reosarevok
        You can see what they are - the composition level thing, they group all recordings of it

        • 2012-08-05 21828, 2012

      • Vorpal
        oh you had those relation thingies before to some degree

        • 2012-08-05 21833, 2012

      • Vorpal
        like conducted by

        • 2012-08-05 21839, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Yeah, those haven't changed

        • 2012-08-05 21848, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But "composed" is no longer applied to the tracks

        • 2012-08-05 21855, 2012

      • Vorpal
        too time consuming to enter those though when you have 50 CDs or so you wish to add

        • 2012-08-05 21856, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But to works, which allow that thing I showed you

        • 2012-08-05 21801, 2012

      • Vorpal
        hm

        • 2012-08-05 21821, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But they're kind of a pain right now, because bitmap is still building decent interfaces for them

        • 2012-08-05 21835, 2012

      • reosarevok
        So right now all classical editors use http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/128593 :)

        • 2012-08-05 21802, 2012

      • Vorpal
        so a work performed by X and conducted by Y but composed by Z is not the same as the same work, composed by the same guy and performed by the same orchestra but conducted by a different guy?

        • 2012-08-05 21814, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Yes, it is!

        • 2012-08-05 21818, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (it's a different recording)

        • 2012-08-05 21824, 2012

      • Vorpal
        well yes that was my point

        • 2012-08-05 21831, 2012

      • Vorpal
        so how is it not a property of the track

        • 2012-08-05 21839, 2012

      • reosarevok
        That is

        • 2012-08-05 21845, 2012

      • reosarevok
        I said "composer" is not :)

        • 2012-08-05 21848, 2012

      • Vorpal
        ah

        • 2012-08-05 21848, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (it was before)

        • 2012-08-05 21855, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Well, "conductor" is now a property of the recording

        • 2012-08-05 21857, 2012

      • Vorpal
        also user scripts? Is that some greasemonkey thing?

        • 2012-08-05 21818, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (recordings can be used in multiple releases, like what we want to do with that Grieg thing, since they're the same)

        • 2012-08-05 21829, 2012

      • reosarevok
        And yes

        • 2012-08-05 21833, 2012

      • Vorpal
        I use chrome on my desktop, not going to enter stuff using firefox there.

        • 2012-08-05 21836, 2012

      • Vorpal
        oh well

        • 2012-08-05 21853, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Oh

        • 2012-08-05 21854, 2012

      • Vorpal
        finally cdparanoia finished the first of 7 discs

        • 2012-08-05 21805, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Chrome has support for it without needing greasemonkey

        • 2012-08-05 21810, 2012

      • Vorpal
        ah I see

        • 2012-08-05 21812, 2012

      • reosarevok uses Chrome

        • 2012-08-05 21845, 2012

      • reosarevok
        If you have the latest version you apparently need to download it and then drag it to the Extensions list, because they are idiots and decided it was a safety risk to let people use their browser how they wanted

        • 2012-08-05 21802, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But apart from that, they work without any other program or need

        • 2012-08-05 21824, 2012

      • Vorpal
        heh

        • 2012-08-05 21836, 2012

      • culinko
        reosarevok: i am just submitting the bug report we were talking about yesterday, should i choose "data display" as a component?

        • 2012-08-05 21826, 2012

      • Vorpal
        reosarevok, how sensitive is the new fancy music fingerprint thingy to medium quality OGG as opposed to lossless?

        • 2012-08-05 21848, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Vorpal: AFAIK, it makes no difference

        • 2012-08-05 21856, 2012

      • Vorpal
        nice

        • 2012-08-05 21858, 2012

      • reosarevok
        culinko: probably

        • 2012-08-05 21824, 2012

      • Vorpal
        also where do the uploaded fingerprints go, I can't see them in auto edits like the old PUID stuff did

        • 2012-08-05 21834, 2012

      • reosarevok
        They go through http://acoustid.org/

        • 2012-08-05 21846, 2012

      • Vorpal
        hm

        • 2012-08-05 21847, 2012

      • reosarevok
        You can see them in the fingerprint tab, but they're stored by them not us

        • 2012-08-05 21850, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Well, them is luks here

        • 2012-08-05 21811, 2012

      • Vorpal
        I thought http://acoustid.org/ were run by the same organisation as musicbrainz?

        • 2012-08-05 21814, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Nope

        • 2012-08-05 21827, 2012

      • Vorpal
        hm, I wouldn't have put in my login if I knew that

        • 2012-08-05 21830, 2012

      • reosarevok
        It's developed by the same guy who developed most of Picard (a.k.a. luks)

        • 2012-08-05 21838, 2012

      • Vorpal
        oh well, guess it is fine then

        • 2012-08-05 21841, 2012

      • reosarevok
        And it's affiliated to us and we love them

        • 2012-08-05 21847, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But it's not MB itself :p

        • 2012-08-05 21850, 2012

      • Vorpal
        right

        • 2012-08-05 21858, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Yeah, the login thing is perfectly safe, don't worry

        • 2012-08-05 21814, 2012

      • Vorpal
        So how do you in theory remove an incorrect fingerprint nowdays?

        • 2012-08-05 21822, 2012

      • Vorpal
        doesn't seem as simple

        • 2012-08-05 21826, 2012

      • reosarevok
        From the acoustID sire