#musicbrainz

so I don't have to bother you with silly questions

winstonw: it's not really that complicated, and the wiki should already have an overview of entity types...

I take it you would prefer that we called releases “albums”?

only people who owned records once upon a time call them albums, lmao

except if they're singles, and that is really stored at the release group level, not release...

DrDyna: Uh, no.

nah I would think it would be useful to assume that new contributers do not know as much as the people who have worked on the project

i'm just teasing.

haha, yeah

winstonw: But I mean, what should we call them?

(So that you would know what to search for)

I'm suggesting writing in the beginners' docs what each tag is

winstonw: it's currently at http://musicbrainz.org/doc/MusicBrainz_Entity

presumably we could link that page better, I guess.

winstonw: http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Beginners_Guide

cool

It covers it

"The term release refers to a specific issuing of an album, single, compilation, etc., and includes a specific set of recordings in a particular order. A release often has several different editions such as a digital iTunes edition, or an edition with bonus tracks; these should be entered as separate releases"

^

kepstin-work: where did you find the disambiguation comments added by the script? i can't find it :S

From the beginners docs :)

A link to the quickstart might be great

culinko: that script puts the recording disambig. comments next to the track title in the track list

lol words

not to be unhelpful, but do you really expect contributers to read that much

winstonw: yes.

winstonw: what’s quickstart?

http://musicbrainz.org/cdtoc/attach?id=K_mr0DRa... -> http://musicbrainz.org/doc/How_Editing_Works

(we really do expect contributors to read that much, unfortunately; we have a large list of guidelines etc. that should be followed when editing)

no beginners' guide link on either page I think

it's in the Documentation menu on every page

lol

This does point out a problem though: There are too many entry points to the documentation

which is not necessarily good, but yeah

i wasted few hours reading the documentation:P

clicked every link tho

but got lost after a while

sounds like you have wikipedia-itis :D (I have it too)

wikipedia-itis is a great time killer

I'm a serial time killer

i randomly find myself looking up artists when listening to tunes

Sometimes I hop on 4chan's music board and listening to random artists discussed there

hah

or listening to a friend's pandora when i get the chance... always fun!

oh, a friend's pandora, what's that site called....sec

awesome

kepstin-work: could you point me to a release with songs having disambiguation comments? i can't seem to find one though

oh lol, I meant I just log into their pandora on their computer and listen lol

culinko: they're fairly rare, yeah, lets see if I remember one...

culinko: http://musicbrainz.org/release/ccb9ad97-5a23-43...

Most live albums should have them

(not that they necessarily do)

culinko: track 2 on http://musicbrainz.org/release/67582b44-53e4-45... for example

oh yeah, i see it. the script it's very handy

i just ran into a track with different recording name and it's in brown-redish color :)

Yep

Yet another of the awesome things that script does

http://musicbrainz.org/release/65e7b4b1-663f-4f... digital media; I have the two CD release. So that would be a different release all together, right? I think the track listing is a subset of the digital format release.

Yes.

http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Indexed_Search_Syntax uses release and album interchangably

Kepstin and hawke and culinko : thanks very much :) it put pressure on me I reall y have to maintain and make it always better (the inline stuff user script) :)

Kepstin what do you think putting disabled acoustics after like hawke suggested ?

Hawke and kepstin do you think it was good to default to contracted fingerprints ?

the disabled acoustids after makes sense to me

it's not like sorting them any other way is useful :)

Maybe I'll put all settings in the sidebar and remembered when I have time (and remove the classic part too)

Kepstin yes I let them in the order of the web service but I think I'll put the disables aft,, good idea

Never hesitate to suggest improvements, thing that you find craps etc.

kepstin-work: I really like the contracted fingerprints

er, jesus2099

Hawke yes ?

jesus2099: I really like the contracted acoustIDs. :-)

Ah :)

Cool

It surprised me at first, but now I like it

So far I haven’t found any where I couldn’t tell which one I was looking for

I always work off the first 4 or so anyway when searching

(as in ctrl+f in a page)

Yes it looks strange this is why I always hesitated to default it.... But then I saw that I never need more than that to compare them

Yep

this is winstonw; sorry if you spoke to me after hawke_1 said "Yes."; I didn't recieve it.

I usually use the last characters myself :)

oh, so it contracts the hash like how git uses only the first 7 chars by default?

kepstin-work: It’s not a hash but it does “dead…beef”

Git ? I don't know, I ,have not seen this

first 4/last 4

Yes, this

with an ellipsis between

git has 40-character sha1 hashes to identify commits, but by default it only shows the first 7, because that's usually enough to tell them apart

(if there are multiple things with the same first 7 chars, it'll show more)

much like acoustids are long but usually you only need a subset (first four + last four) to actually tell them apart :)

kepstin-work, out of curiousity, why bother to keep stuff in lossy if you also have it in lossless?

Ah ok. I had the impression both start and end were useful to me... This is why it's currently like that

brian__: to simplify syncing my portable player

ah

Brianfreud and I encode lossy mono for my Walkmans, I'm deaf one ear

I do it to, I just do it on the fly

yeah, I find this to be a bit simpler; I just use rsync to copy music to my player :)

I just wouldn't have space to store lossy copies as well :P

I don't really use lossless, only for submitting fingerprints then delete. I only listen to CD and to Walkmans.

(it's an ipod classic running rockbox)

As it is, I'm pushing 4TB :P

brianfreud: heh, my collection's not /that/ big :)

476GMusic/Flac

actually... prob more than that; I have all the untagged stuff on a separate 3TB drive that's maybe 50% music

:D

I have CDS on shelves, even bigger !

;)

I used to have that

for the advanced search, what are the format: names

thousands of them... hard drive == far less space :D

even worse were all the cassettes

Did you sell everything brianfreud ?

yeah, at least now music doesn't take up that much physical space

aside from the couple shelves of cds I have...

systemww: http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Indexed_Search_Syntax

I love CDs, real

I bought some cds from the like, artist and their weird ass label

yeah, a majority; the rest of the CD originals got stolen a 5 or 6 years ago

limited to 300, lol

Lossless and the CD player and amp only takes less than Demi second to light up and play

but I already had the music, most of it anyway, lol

most of the cassettes were boots I'd traded for; I got better copies on etree and such, and trashed the tapes

:P Only physical media I still have, save a few CDs in the car, is vinyl

hawke_1: yes I mean the "format" tag; what values does it accept?

Brianfreud I even use a disc man from time to time... But I have problem with stereo

Brianfreud me few cynic no more player

Vynil

Vinyl ?

systemww: Oh. ummm…it’s the medium types, but I think you have to do something stupid with the spaces. I can never remember, nikki always has to remind me.

jesus2099: vinyl. :-)

makes sense; I have to have at least one ear open while I'm working, so I only ever have the earbud in the right ear; stereo-effect stuff annoys me too then

Hawke eh :)

hawke_1, isn't it the same values as the select in the RE?

brianfreud: Yes, but you have to quote it or do something for spaces.

IIRC

haha. yeah maybe I should contribute to the wiki

or hyphens. I don’t remember.