I can’t see how to frame it as a style decision until the schema change happened.
2012-05-16 13745, 2012
hawke_1
once that’s done you could certainly ask style about moving one from primary to secondary type, I guess
2012-05-16 13749, 2012
reosarevok
I mean, the "release groups should be able to have several types"
2012-05-16 13701, 2012
reosarevok
That's one thing I could see as somehow style-ish
2012-05-16 13709, 2012
reosarevok
But really, would anyone have disagreed?
2012-05-16 13721, 2012
hawke_1
It’s the style list, so yes.
2012-05-16 13725, 2012
reosarevok
heh
2012-05-16 13726, 2012
jesus2099
hawke reosarevok so you agree this kind of complete artist page change doesn’t need any discussion that the thousands of discographies can be broken just like this all of a sudden without any comments from users ?
2012-05-16 13746, 2012
hawke_1
jesus2099: I don’t think it’s broken, it’s just different.
2012-05-16 13750, 2012
jesus2099
and that small FIX must go through endless bureaucratic shit never ending :/
2012-05-16 13703, 2012
jesus2099
when it is different it is broken if you take the older look as a reference
2012-05-16 13723, 2012
hawke_1
jesus2099: The only difference that you’re seeing is that compilation is no longer a primary type
2012-05-16 13730, 2012
jesus2099
it’s a regression stuff… some edits have to come to fix that etc.
2012-05-16 13741, 2012
reosarevok
There's no regression there
2012-05-16 13751, 2012
jesus2099
no I see now official discography mixed with shot
2012-05-16 13757, 2012
jesus2099
torn appart
2012-05-16 13758, 2012
reosarevok
As I said, if mini-album should be under album, then it should have been under album earlier
2012-05-16 13707, 2012
jesus2099
yea
2012-05-16 13709, 2012
reosarevok
And before you would have seen bootleg albums under Album too
2012-05-16 13714, 2012
jesus2099
no
2012-05-16 13715, 2012
reosarevok
(since that was never hidden)
2012-05-16 13720, 2012
hawke_1
yes.
2012-05-16 13720, 2012
jesus2099
it’s bootleg compilation
2012-05-16 13728, 2012
hawke_1
Not all bootlegs are compilations
2012-05-16 13732, 2012
jesus2099
before the compilation were not in ALBUM this is a major change
2012-05-16 13739, 2012
hawke_1
compilation= “previously released material”
2012-05-16 13739, 2012
reosarevok
Bootleg albums would be mixed with official albums, bootleg lives with official lives, bootleg comps with official comps
2012-05-16 13700, 2012
reosarevok
(there are bootlegs of all those, and I agree all of them should be off by default)
2012-05-16 13713, 2012
hawke_1
now, a lot of bootlegs are live, so they were not generally on the front page
2012-05-16 13717, 2012
reosarevok
(and should have been before, too)
2012-05-16 13721, 2012
jesus2099
hawke_1: « compilation= “previously released material” » this is why it should not be in [original] albums
2012-05-16 13733, 2012
jesus2099
hawke_1: this is why at least some discussion was needed
2012-05-16 13735, 2012
hawke_1
and bands only get bootlegs released once they become popular, so they tend not to be at the top
2012-05-16 13736, 2012
reosarevok
hawke_1: I fear to look at the Grateful Dead right now, heh
2012-05-16 13755, 2012
hawke_1
Pink floyd is looking pretty good, for example. They’re a very popular bootleg artist.
(on cd in 1967, marked as compilation when none of it is otherwise released)
2012-05-16 13704, 2012
reosarevok will also point that the previous list of RG Type descriptions didn't go through style if I'm not mistaken
2012-05-16 13726, 2012
reosarevok
(so, albums being "generally new material" wasn't actually decided there)
2012-05-16 13710, 2012
reosarevok also points at http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Reosarevok/RG_Type to see if people agree with the changes there - also, I need better example than Oldfield's. Anyone knows of a mainstream artist that re-recorded his greatest hits for an album?
2012-05-16 13723, 2012
reosarevok
(since Oldfield's is a re-recording of one album, not a best of)
2012-05-16 13758, 2012
CatCat
woa, reosarevok i'm older than you o_O
2012-05-16 13701, 2012
jesus2099
can eventually someone restore the uservoice archive ? many stuffs are stuck in that dumped archive
CatCat: I think it's there already, isn't it? ask hawke_1 anyway
2012-05-16 13745, 2012
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2012-05-16 13751, 2012
reosarevok
If not, then yes, you can
2012-05-16 13757, 2012
reosarevok
Add it to the list with quenya and sindarin
2012-05-16 13759, 2012
hawke_1
It's in the languages list
2012-05-16 13701, 2012
hawke_1
not sure about scripts
2012-05-16 13706, 2012
reosarevok
Oh, script
2012-05-16 13707, 2012
reosarevok
Sorry
2012-05-16 13714, 2012
reosarevok doesn't know about that one
2012-05-16 13723, 2012
reosarevok
CatCat: do I look so old? :p
2012-05-16 13740, 2012
reosarevok
(I mean, you do look younger than you are, but I didn't think I looked so old :( )
2012-05-16 13750, 2012
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2012-05-16 13702, 2012
reosarevok
hawke_1: I'd say so
2012-05-16 13716, 2012
reosarevok
Maybe with some comment?
2012-05-16 13730, 2012
hawke_1
reosarevok: I can’t think of a comment that doesn’t state the obvious
2012-05-16 13733, 2012
reosarevok
(also, "picture disc"? for a CD? wtf)
2012-05-16 13746, 2012
hawke_1
like “this is the case with a number sticker on the front”
2012-05-16 13709, 2012
reosarevok
Oh
2012-05-16 13717, 2012
reosarevok
So it's not a special edition of it
2012-05-16 13725, 2012
reosarevok
Like, "n copies are numbered, the rest are not"
2012-05-16 13747, 2012
jesus2099
CatCat: what did you get for your official official discography you requested ? I did not understand it when yo usaid that for Queen until now I just see this artist page complete overhaul out of the blue that breaks “my” artists discographyies
2012-05-16 13707, 2012
jesus2099
in chat yesterday you were talking about official official. only now I get it
2012-05-16 13740, 2012
v6lur
ugh, bootlegs and best-ofs among regular albums...
2012-05-16 13747, 2012
v6lur
just... ugh.
2012-05-16 13707, 2012
CatCat
honestly I write better english than norwegian, since I use it 10² times more
(bootlegs were among regular lives earlier, though, which was pretty much as bad)
2012-05-16 13713, 2012
reosarevok
(if you mean live bootlegs)
2012-05-16 13724, 2012
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2012-05-16 13729, 2012
CatCat
[00:09] reosarevok hawke_: my point is that a native who is actually pretty crap at the language will usually be able to do "that seems wrong" even if he can't say "it should be this"
2012-05-16 13732, 2012
CatCat
this in norwegian
2012-05-16 13746, 2012
CatCat
I see it's wrong.. can't point out what's right
2012-05-16 13747, 2012
CatCat
:P
2012-05-16 13750, 2012
jesus2099
v6lur: yeah !
2012-05-16 13755, 2012
jesus2099
BIG UGH !
2012-05-16 13715, 2012
jesus2099
and no preliminary concertation
2012-05-16 13730, 2012
jesus2099
at least none I’ve heard of coming here everyday
2012-05-16 13721, 2012
v6lur
reosarevok: i meant live bootlegs, yeah... anyway that bugged me less, as i don't usually care as much for live stuff as studio albums/EPs/singles
2012-05-16 13703, 2012
reosarevok
v6lur, agreed, but this will probably have the nice effect of hiding them instead of being like "nevermind, nobody looks at live stuff..."
2012-05-16 13704, 2012
reosarevok
:p
2012-05-16 13729, 2012
reosarevok
(I just hope it'll happen in next release, but I guess it will)
I would like to keep the album - EP - single separation, but I wouldn't mind having that as an option too
2012-05-16 13709, 2012
reosarevok
(so you could switch from "category view" to "chronology view", so to say
2012-05-16 13714, 2012
reosarevok
)
2012-05-16 13718, 2012
jesus2099
anyway now in releases tab we see everything like this way
2012-05-16 13726, 2012
v6lur
in a sentence, why was this even done so... suddenly? a shock therapy to get loads of feedback on how to improve the display? :P
2012-05-16 13742, 2012
jesus2099
v6lur: ++++
2012-05-16 13750, 2012
jesus2099
it’s what I try to understand
2012-05-16 13721, 2012
reosarevok
v6lur: because schema change restrictions meant now or in October, and we felt the benefits of 5 months of it were bigger than the annoyance of one or two weeks of messy display
2012-05-16 13742, 2012
reosarevok
(well, that's what I think anyway, not that the decision was specifically mine)
2012-05-16 13747, 2012
Mineo_
didn't some people talk about the availability of quenya in the language selection yesterday? what was the result of that?
2012-05-16 13712, 2012
reosarevok
Mineo: we need to ask a dev to allow them and kick the cache, I think
