What's the chance of some Russian production in Russian playing in Manhattan? Or some Czech theatre? Dunno.
2012-05-17 13800, 2012
warp
why would the number of uses matter? we're not removing these links, are we?
2012-05-17 13811, 2012
brianfreud
That's exactly what he wants to do.
2012-05-17 13815, 2012
reosarevok
huh?
2012-05-17 13823, 2012
reosarevok
No, I want to migrate them to "Other Databases"
2012-05-17 13826, 2012
brianfreud
Merge them into "other databases" and get rid of the specialized ARs.
2012-05-17 13830, 2012
reosarevok
While keeping everything else the same
2012-05-17 13839, 2012
reosarevok
That's pretty far from removing the links
2012-05-17 13841, 2012
brianfreud
So why not do that to all other DB ARS?
2012-05-17 13807, 2012
warp
brianfreud: why not? exactly! reosarevok is attempting to do that for all database links.
2012-05-17 13815, 2012
brianfreud
no, he's not
2012-05-17 13818, 2012
brianfreud
not in his proposal.,
2012-05-17 13829, 2012
reosarevok
warp: admittedly, I'm not doing it for VGMdb. Though I am tempted to
2012-05-17 13843, 2012
warp
brianfreud: one step at a time I presume.
2012-05-17 13846, 2012
reosarevok
(which is the only other genre database I think we have a rel for, the rest are generalistic?)
2012-05-17 13801, 2012
brianfreud gives up on what you guys want to do.
2012-05-17 13810, 2012
warp
reosarevok: vgmdb seems fine as well, these database can always be isolated by their domain name.
2012-05-17 13824, 2012
brianfreud
So can discogs.
2012-05-17 13830, 2012
brianfreud
So can, for that matter, amazon.
2012-05-17 13843, 2012
reosarevok
brianfreud: the main point is, why IBDb but not, dunno, every single other small database?
2012-05-17 13851, 2012
brianfreud
that you can guess at what the url points to is irrelevant.
2012-05-17 13853, 2012
reosarevok
Because it's very unpractical
2012-05-17 13814, 2012
brianfreud
reosarevok, because in all the years, noone ever bothered to suggest any of those.
2012-05-17 13837, 2012
brianfreud
there is a strong benefit towards "empty blank filling" which having an AR provides.
2012-05-17 13850, 2012
reosarevok
I've been wanting to use them for a long time, but I didn't want to fill the relationship list with cruft
2012-05-17 13857, 2012
reosarevok
(several of the ones in the list)
2012-05-17 13806, 2012
reosarevok
Took a while for me to realise I could use the header instead...
2012-05-17 13816, 2012
reosarevok
I don't want a list of 40 database ARs
2012-05-17 13824, 2012
reosarevok
Is unpractical and gives no clear benefit
2012-05-17 13829, 2012
brianfreud
If an IBDb AR exists, and there is not one on a given theatre release, then there is much more incentive to an editor to add one, vs a generic "other dbs" AR./
2012-05-17 13842, 2012
reosarevok
huh?
2012-05-17 13847, 2012
warp takes a break, afk.
2012-05-17 13858, 2012
brianfreud
There is actually one huge benefit which nothing else in the db can serve.
2012-05-17 13821, 2012
reosarevok
Any editor who cares enough about that stuff to know about IBDb should know that he can't do that IBDb
2012-05-17 13826, 2012
reosarevok
*-IBDb
2012-05-17 13840, 2012
reosarevok
Notice that I'm *not* proposing to remove the "IBDb" thing from the sidebar
2012-05-17 13850, 2012
reosarevok
Which is where that editor would see if there's one or not
2012-05-17 13857, 2012
reosarevok
(that's done via URL, not AR)
2012-05-17 13822, 2012
brianfreud
They are the only way to ID theatrical releases (vs all of the film/tv/game in soundtrack) - same for game and the vgmdb AR. Also to group such theatre releases, just as the IMDb AR groups disparate releases of a soundtrack.
2012-05-17 13809, 2012
reosarevok
" <reosarevok> Any editor who cares enough about that stuff to know about IBDb should know that he can't do that IBDb " wow, that is mangled. I meant that if an editor cares enough to know about IBDb, he'll notice whether there is such a page or not
2012-05-17 13810, 2012
brianfreud
The shared IOBDb or IBDb AR from n releases to 1 entry for a musical is the only common thing that different cast releases of the same show share.
2012-05-17 13820, 2012
brianfreud has to go.
2012-05-17 13821, 2012
reosarevok
And how would that change?
2012-05-17 13830, 2012
reosarevok
They would still share the same URL...
2012-05-17 13834, 2012
brianfreud
when there is no suchg AR?
2012-05-17 13849, 2012
reosarevok
The way you see if they share it is via the URL page
2012-05-17 13855, 2012
reosarevok
and nothing changes there, except the rel name
2012-05-17 13856, 2012
brianfreud
" Any editor who cares enough about that stuff to know about IBDb should know that he can't do that IBDb" makes zero sense :P
2012-05-17 13808, 2012
brianfreud
names are important.
2012-05-17 13808, 2012
reosarevok
See <reosarevok> " <reosarevok> Any editor who cares enough about that stuff to know about IBDb should know that he can't do that IBDb " wow, that is mangled. I meant that if an editor cares enough to know about IBDb, he'll notice whether there is such a page or not
2012-05-17 13823, 2012
reosarevok
(by seeing the sidebar has no IBDb link)
2012-05-17 13839, 2012
reosarevok
Anyway, plenty of time to debate this, if you have to go, go ;)
2012-05-17 13804, 2012
tri_marianaaf
hi! i'm here voting some edits and I have a doubt. http://musicbrainz.org/edit/17489709 in this case I added a comment saying that I coulnd't find any source to verify. Do I vote? Or wait for an answer?
2012-05-17 13834, 2012
reosarevok
tri_marianaaf: if you look at their username, they look like the band
2012-05-17 13854, 2012
reosarevok
So I would assume they're the source
2012-05-17 13819, 2012
tri_marianaaf
ok so vote yes?
2012-05-17 13828, 2012
reosarevok
I'd abstain
2012-05-17 13832, 2012
tri_marianaaf
ok
2012-05-17 13834, 2012
reosarevok
As you said, you don't have a proof
2012-05-17 13849, 2012
tri_marianaaf
done :)
2012-05-17 13800, 2012
brianfreud
I do think that part goes beyond the stated effect of the RFC though; "Open "Other Databases" for use" says nothing which would imply also removing 2 ARs.
2012-05-17 13813, 2012
brianfreud
You'd have to notice the one line tucked into the proposal.
2012-05-17 13837, 2012
brianfreud
But given that my opinion doesn't matter, as I can have no comment on style, I guess don't count anyhow.
2012-05-17 13841, 2012
brianfreud has to leave for worl
2012-05-17 13844, 2012
brianfreud
work
2012-05-17 13851, 2012
reosarevok
brianfreud: it's part of the elaboration of the whitelist, and it doesn't seem that people have skipped that line, since two of you have commented on it
2012-05-17 13811, 2012
reosarevok
Anyway, I don't mind doing a second RFC for those at a later time and trying to convince people independently :)
2012-05-17 13828, 2012
reosarevok
Oh, tri_marianaaf: I didn't notice this was not the add cover edit
2012-05-17 13837, 2012
reosarevok
But an "add useless comment" edit...
2012-05-17 13857, 2012
reosarevok
I'd abstain on the cover add, but this seems useless enough to vote no on...
oh had some extra time so was voting on edits.. if it's useless I'll do another thing :)
2012-05-17 13839, 2012
noobie
voting isn't useless..
2012-05-17 13858, 2012
tri_marianaaf
oh sorry misunderstood what you said. yes I'll abstain on add cover edit. this one was just to add a comment.
2012-05-17 13807, 2012
tri_marianaaf
corrected it ;)
2012-05-17 13848, 2012
reosarevok
:)
2012-05-17 13806, 2012
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2012-05-17 13823, 2012
jacobbrett
luks: What method is your bot using for artwork edits?
2012-05-17 13844, 2012
reosarevok
jacobbrett: black magic
2012-05-17 13852, 2012
reosarevok
With some human sacrifices
2012-05-17 13859, 2012
reosarevok
:)
2012-05-17 13838, 2012
reosarevok
tri_marianaaf (and your workmates too if they also edit hip hop): I'm proposing a "mixtape/street" secondary type, dunno if I mentioned it
2012-05-17 13808, 2012
reosarevok
It would be nice if you could tag mixtapes you come accross (with "mixtape" or whatever) so you can find them and edit them if/when that passes :)
2012-05-17 13820, 2012
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2012-05-17 13837, 2012
tri_marianaaf
oh that's great! and actually is only me with the hiphop. I'll do that and when that type becomes available I'll go back and add it to the ones I remember coming across.
2012-05-17 13806, 2012
reosarevok
:)
2012-05-17 13825, 2012
reosarevok guesses people won't oppose the add and it will go through, although of course no promises until it's happened
yes will now add track lenght and fix the featurings
2012-05-17 13828, 2012
reosarevok
Cool :)
2012-05-17 13833, 2012
tri_marianaaf
was re-verifying the credits on this album and itunes uses Juvenile, Wacko, Skip. Allmusic only have Juvenicel (I'm not sure they can use more than one artist) but on the rap-a-lot webside they have UTP under artists and there they have: UTP - Juvenile / Wacko / Skip ... this rap rio... on their debut album "The Beginning of the End"...
2012-05-17 13835, 2012
tri_marianaaf
so, I don't need to worry right?
2012-05-17 13816, 2012
reosarevok
As I said, I could see the point of using either UTP, or Juvenile, Wacko & Skip
2012-05-17 13825, 2012
reosarevok
Since they have later releases as UTP, I guess that works better
2012-05-17 13843, 2012
reosarevok
In any case, it's an improvement on the old data, so I don't think you need to worry, no
