sooo, i tried to re-partition /dev/sda1 in the musicbrainz-server image... and now i've just gotten a grub rescue prompt
2012-05-23 14436, 2012
sqwaw
how can i fix this ?
2012-05-23 14411, 2012
hawke_
back. brianfreud: I figure we should give some indication of sidedness even for those which don’t include side identifiers.
2012-05-23 14455, 2012
brianfreud
yeah, but "A1" seems artificial, if there's no actual "A" on the liner
2012-05-23 14456, 2012
hawke_
But that reminds me, I need to mention that in reference to 78s and "double A sides"
2012-05-23 14424, 2012
hawke_
brianfreud: There’s no way around that, I think — “1-1” would be equally artificial.
2012-05-23 14404, 2012
brianfreud
I think I'd prefer a separate "side" indication, rather than forcing it by artificially manipulating #
2012-05-23 14410, 2012
hawke_
Plus, we have to decide side order anyway, in order to enter them at all
2012-05-23 14425, 2012
brianfreud
isn't "A1" "B1" the same as "1", "7", just in a different guise?
2012-05-23 14405, 2012
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2012-05-23 14418, 2012
hawke_
brianfreud: No, because it lets you mark which ones are on which side
2012-05-23 14431, 2012
hawke_
if you have two or three track 1, that doesn't tell you much about sidedness
2012-05-23 14443, 2012
hawke_
I mean, you can guess that where the numbering resets it's a new side
2012-05-23 14450, 2012
hawke_
but not all releases reset their numbering
2012-05-23 14459, 2012
brianfreud
hawke_: ok, assume I accept that numbering for a moment, in liu of "side" indication
2012-05-23 14431, 2012
brianfreud
What do you do with a 14 record set, or a CD that has both redbook audio (normal CD) and data CD (mp3) on it?
2012-05-23 14416, 2012
brianfreud
just to play devil's advocate ;)
2012-05-23 14436, 2012
hawke_
Dunno. I think we would still have to create a second medium for those
2012-05-23 14444, 2012
hawke_
(due to discID)
2012-05-23 14459, 2012
brianfreud
and for the LP set?
2012-05-23 14433, 2012
hawke_
Ah, you’re pointing out that we would run out of letters? :-)
2012-05-23 14437, 2012
brianfreud
yep
2012-05-23 14451, 2012
hawke_
Hmm, good point.
2012-05-23 14414, 2012
hawke_
So what do you suggest
2012-05-23 14416, 2012
hawke_
?
2012-05-23 14422, 2012
brianfreud
I've seen some at Salvation Army and the like, ancient "complete Mozart symphonies" LP albums (true "albums"), where that potentially could be a problem
2012-05-23 14428, 2012
hawke_
For sure
2012-05-23 14437, 2012
brianfreud
no idea, just pointing out it's inherently a problem with that concept
2012-05-23 14437, 2012
hawke_
I hadn’t thought about that. :-)
2012-05-23 14458, 2012
hawke_
I think that will be much rarer than releases with sequentially-numbered tracks on each side
2012-05-23 14405, 2012
hawke_
but yes, it’s a problem.
2012-05-23 14407, 2012
brianfreud
oh, no argument
2012-05-23 14411, 2012
brianfreud
exactly
2012-05-23 14432, 2012
brianfreud
I'd prefer a one-fits-all solution, rather than get into "AA1", "AB1", etc
2012-05-23 14444, 2012
hawke_
yes
2012-05-23 14446, 2012
hawke_
I agree
2012-05-23 14455, 2012
brianfreud
Second problem set I can think of
2012-05-23 14406, 2012
brianfreud
Imagine your typical classical CD.
2012-05-23 14419, 2012
brianfreud
It does not number 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, however.
2012-05-23 14406, 2012
brianfreud
It contains 3 symphonies, and the liner lists: 1. Symphony No 10 \n i. Adagio \n ii. Allegro \n iii. Trio
2012-05-23 14427, 2012
brianfreud
2. Symphony No 11 \n i. Allegro \n ii. Adagio \n iii. Trio - minuetto \ iv. Foo
2012-05-23 14450, 2012
brianfreud
3. Symphony No 69 \n i. Planes \n ii. Trains \n iii. Automobiles
2012-05-23 14451, 2012
brianfreud
:D
2012-05-23 14458, 2012
hawke_
OK…
2012-05-23 14400, 2012
brianfreud
I hope that text isn't too hard to picture. So what then becomes the numbers? 1i, 1ii, 1iii, 2i, 2ii, 2iii, 2iv, 3i, 3ii, 3iii (UGLY!), or do we assume those to be movement indications only, and just 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 it?
2012-05-23 14424, 2012
hawke_
I would lean toward the latter
2012-05-23 14443, 2012
hawke_
That kind of thing is another part of the reason not to use “whatever is printed”
2012-05-23 14449, 2012
brianfreud
haha
2012-05-23 14407, 2012
brianfreud
me too, but I could easily imagine "strict liner interpretionists" doing the former
2012-05-23 14404, 2012
hawke_
updated the proposal to mention non-sided releases (some 78s) and double A-sides
2012-05-23 14453, 2012
hawke_ considers adding “If there are more than 13 mediums numbered sequentially, you’re fucked! throw that release in an industrial shredder”
2012-05-23 14427, 2012
hawke_
hmm, actually…I don’t think that will be a problem anyway
2012-05-23 14442, 2012
brianfreud
Y1, Z1, ?
2012-05-23 14453, 2012
hawke_
since anything with that many discs is unlikely to have the weird sides thing
2012-05-23 14403, 2012
hawke_
They’re not going to say “side 27” or whatever
2012-05-23 14406, 2012
brianfreud
wierd sides thing?
2012-05-23 14415, 2012
hawke_
where you have side A and D on disc 1
2012-05-23 14424, 2012
brianfreud
no, but thinking on it, many of those did actually letter the albums...
2012-05-23 14426, 2012
hawke_
or rather, side A and side $last
2012-05-23 14431, 2012
brianfreud
album A, album B, album C, etc...
2012-05-23 14435, 2012
hawke_
yep
2012-05-23 14447, 2012
hawke_
that’s fine though, that’s part of medium numbering
2012-05-23 14454, 2012
brianfreud
medium title "album C", tracks: E1, E2, F1, F2.... that's confusing
2012-05-23 14459, 2012
hawke_
each disc has its own side 1/side2
2012-05-23 14412, 2012
hawke_
right, you wouldn’t need that
2012-05-23 14422, 2012
hawke_
disc 3, side A/B
2012-05-23 14432, 2012
brianfreud
you're suggesting box LP sets not be sequentially lettered, ala how most everyone does it?
2012-05-23 14448, 2012
brianfreud
hell, I have LPs which *do* number tracks that way :P
2012-05-23 14409, 2012
hawke_
I’m suggesting that the lettering be indicative of side, not medium.
2012-05-23 14418, 2012
hawke_
…do number tracks which way?
2012-05-23 14429, 2012
brianfreud
yeah, but it's traditional to continue the letters to indicate sides past just side 2
2012-05-23 14441, 2012
brianfreud
side 1, side 2, side 3, side 4, not side 1, side 2, side 1, side 2
2012-05-23 14400, 2012
hawke_
and what do they do past 13 discs?
2012-05-23 14404, 2012
brianfreud
A1, A2, B1, B2, C1, C2, D1, D2, etc.
2012-05-23 14413, 2012
brianfreud
no clue
2012-05-23 14418, 2012
hawke_
I would expect to see something like “disc 14, side A
2012-05-23 14445, 2012
brianfreud
"If you hit Z, you're screwed. Start back at A, and put a babelfish in your ear."
2012-05-23 14448, 2012
hawke_
lol
2012-05-23 14435, 2012
hawke_
I think we can leave the greater-than-26-sides thing for when it happens
while I read... I'm trying to think of edge cases, as you can imagine...
2012-05-23 14418, 2012
hawke_
I don’t totally like the treatment of 8-tracks, that will probably need more thinking
2012-05-23 14428, 2012
brianfreud
do you recall the guideline - under misc guideline, maybe? - for unordered audio files (on CD-ROM or otherwise)? the one that says to just put them alphabetically?
"This means that track ordering may be strange, e.g. A1, A2, A3, D1, D2, D3, B1, B2, B3, C1, C2, C3. (second side of first disc is the end of the release)." is really confusing. I've seen those, but they're really rare. Far more common to have second side of first disc be "B", not "D".
2012-05-23 14407, 2012
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2012-05-23 14412, 2012
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2012-05-23 14429, 2012
brianfreud
Anyone around? I'm testing some code, and could use some URLs... For anyone who's here atm, if you were to go anywhere for more obscure cover art, where would you look first?
