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      • hawke_1
        Yes.
      • 2012-10-03 27704, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        ooh, a tom petty song. I grew up listening to this album :)
      • 2012-10-03 27729, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        should still be hanging around here somewhere, I should scan it ;)
      • 2012-10-03 27740, 2012

      • hawke_1
        Which album?
      • 2012-10-03 27752, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        oh. Full Moon Fever.
      • 2012-10-03 27712, 2012

      • hawke_1
        It’s his best if you ask me.
      • 2012-10-03 27732, 2012

      • hawke_1
        I like almost every track on there
      • 2012-10-03 27738, 2012

      • jacobbrett
        Anyone familiar with romanised Indonesian title capitalisation?
      • 2012-10-03 27739, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
      • 2012-10-03 27736, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop loves the silly bit in the middle where he leaves time for the people who bought the vinyl or cassette copies to flip them over ;)
      • 2012-10-03 27744, 2012

      • hawke_1
        Yes.
      • 2012-10-03 27708, 2012

      • hawke_1
        Sadly we don’t have the record and cassette versions in MB.
      • 2012-10-03 27713, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Yet!
      • 2012-10-03 27742, 2012

      • jacobbrett
        hawke_1: Was "yes" directed at me?
      • 2012-10-03 27753, 2012

      • hawke_1
        jacobbrett: No.
      • 2012-10-03 27741, 2012

      • kurtjx_ joined the channel
      • 2012-10-03 27703, 2012

      • hawke_1
        Why the hell are so many of these Tom Petty AcoustIDs also associated to Tim McGraw
      • 2012-10-03 27708, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        lol
      • 2012-10-03 27719, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        hmm. just changing the background color of the body element on musicbrainz.org from light gray to white makes the whole site look more modern
      • 2012-10-03 27754, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        removes the grey borders around everything :)
      • 2012-10-03 27753, 2012

      • hawke_1
        I wouldn’t think that would make much difference.
      • 2012-10-03 27759, 2012

      • hawke_1
        MB looks reasonably modern IMO
      • 2012-10-03 27731, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        hmm, just try it and see. makes quite a difference imo :)
      • 2012-10-03 27738, 2012

      • hawke_1
        Hmm
      • 2012-10-03 27747, 2012

      • hawke_1
        You’re right.
      • 2012-10-03 27722, 2012

      • hawke_1
        makes some of the lines scattered around the page look a little weird, but otherwise, yeah.
      • 2012-10-03 27739, 2012

      • reosarevok
        image? :p
      • 2012-10-03 27750, 2012

      • hawke_1
        reosarevok: You use chrome, right?
      • 2012-10-03 27752, 2012

      • reosarevok
        I don't see a big problem with grey borders myself...
      • 2012-10-03 27753, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Yes
      • 2012-10-03 27756, 2012

      • hawke_1
        just hit ctrl+shift+i
      • 2012-10-03 27701, 2012

      • hawke_1
        go to elements
      • 2012-10-03 27718, 2012

      • hawke_1
        click body, and uncheck the background-color in the right hand pane
      • 2012-10-03 27743, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Hmm
      • 2012-10-03 27746, 2012

      • reosarevok
        I kinda like the grey
      • 2012-10-03 27754, 2012

      • reosarevok
        I like my islands of stuff in a sea of grey
      • 2012-10-03 27709, 2012

      • hawke_1
        Doing something about the sidebar would make a bigger difference, I think.
      • 2012-10-03 27726, 2012

      • hawke_1
        so much info there that could be presented better
      • 2012-10-03 27736, 2012

      • hawke_1
        (or better yet, not at all)
      • 2012-10-03 27755, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        the primary idea I had when making http://people.scs.carleton.ca/~cwalton3/temp/mbmo… was to remove the sidebar, yeah
      • 2012-10-03 27706, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        the rest was just eye-candy :)
      • 2012-10-03 27724, 2012

      • hawke_1
        I would remove lang/script from that too.
      • 2012-10-03 27731, 2012

      • hawke_1
        and tracks, since you can see them anyway
      • 2012-10-03 27738, 2012

      • hawke_1
        and 2xcd
      • 2012-10-03 27757, 2012

      • hawke_1
        leave the label/ barcode as a caption to the image
      • 2012-10-03 27704, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        hmm, lang/script is important at least so you can check if they're present and correct
      • 2012-10-03 27711, 2012

      • hawke_1
        for editors, yes. ;-)
      • 2012-10-03 27729, 2012

      • hawke_1
        maybe make it a mouseover on the label/catno/barcode
      • 2012-10-03 27753, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        at some point when I was making that, I got distracted looking for a tool to generate barcode graphics automatically :)
      • 2012-10-03 27705, 2012

      • hawke_1
        why would you want to do that? ;-)
      • 2012-10-03 27714, 2012

      • hawke_1
        barcodes are obtuse and annoying.
      • 2012-10-03 27730, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        but they looks pretty ;)
      • 2012-10-03 27732, 2012

      • hawke_1
        (I work with them a lot in my job, so I know this well)
      • 2012-10-03 27744, 2012

      • hawke_1
        …pretty ugly. :-)
      • 2012-10-03 27751, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        heh
      • 2012-10-03 27725, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        could stick a qr code on each page that loads the entity into the musicbrainz android app :)
      • 2012-10-03 27726, 2012

      • hawke_1
        Anyway, just saying what I would drop to make it look nicer.
      • 2012-10-03 27731, 2012

      • hawke_1
        That would be sexy.
      • 2012-10-03 27752, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop has no idea how to do that, but w/e.
      • 2012-10-03 27753, 2012

      • hawke_1
        though the idea of putting a QR code on a webpage so you can…look up info from the web… kind of appalls me.
      • 2012-10-03 27715, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Yeah, that'd make sense if we had a tagger
      • 2012-10-03 27717, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        the qr code is simply so you don't have to re-do the search or manually type in an mbid
      • 2012-10-03 27718, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (app)
      • 2012-10-03 27737, 2012

      • hawke_1
        I know why, it just …wow, how silly. :-)
      • 2012-10-03 27702, 2012

      • reosarevok
        QR codes as "tagger buttons" for an android tagger would be kinda sexy
      • 2012-10-03 27705, 2012

      • Freso
        I better go to bed. Job interview, Part 2 in ~11 hours.
      • 2012-10-03 27709, 2012

      • Freso
        Goodnight people!
      • 2012-10-03 27715, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Goodnight and good luck!
      • 2012-10-03 27757, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But without that it's just "I want to see this same content in my phone"
      • 2012-10-03 27701, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Which doesn't make a lot of sense
      • 2012-10-03 27705, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        reosarevok: well, there's currently no better way of doing "i want to see this same content on my phone"
      • 2012-10-03 27721, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But why would you, unless the phone gave some benefit over the site?
      • 2012-10-03 27723, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        you could email yourself a link, I suppose...
      • 2012-10-03 27735, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        reosarevok: i can carry a phone around with me?
      • 2012-10-03 27708, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop doesn't actually have a smartphone :)
      • 2012-10-03 27723, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Sure, but you need to be in front of the computer to check the qrcode to begin with
      • 2012-10-03 27733, 2012

      • reosarevok
        So why not just check whatever you want there instead?
      • 2012-10-03 27707, 2012

      • reosarevok
        I mean, I can see a quite farfetched case where you want to show something to someone who doesn't have internet and yet you're too lazy to use search when you're there and prefer to load it at home
      • 2012-10-03 27708, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But...
      • 2012-10-03 27730, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (but yeah, if we had a tagger app, then totally)
      • 2012-10-03 27759, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop wonders how a tagger app on a phone would even work
      • 2012-10-03 27710, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Same as anywhere else I guess?
      • 2012-10-03 27719, 2012

      • reosarevok
        I mean, you have audio files in an SD card, so...
      • 2012-10-03 27720, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        I could see it on an android phone where it could just get fs access and update tags
      • 2012-10-03 27734, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        but it makes no sense on an iphone, of course.
      • 2012-10-03 27749, 2012

      • reosarevok
        I said a phone, not an expensive brick :)
      • 2012-10-03 27752, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        heh
      • 2012-10-03 27741, 2012

      • reosarevok
        iPhone uses iTunes for all that shit and then doesn't let you touch anything, I assume?
      • 2012-10-03 27752, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (that'd be what I'd expect from Apple nowadays)
      • 2012-10-03 27702, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (and to think there was a time when they were kinda open-ish)
      • 2012-10-03 27741, 2012

      • reosarevok fixes yet more wiki redirects
      • 2012-10-03 27711, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Anyway, kepstin-laptop: I'd say it'd make sense to concentrate on showing the stuff we have better
      • 2012-10-03 27719, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        yeah
      • 2012-10-03 27722, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (especially streaming music, I'd say)
      • 2012-10-03 27723, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (A Videos tab that shows all videos for an artist...)
      • 2012-10-03 27704, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        reosarevok: hmm, that would be interesting; and a bit of a tricky query with our data model :)
      • 2012-10-03 27724, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        ars to streaming video from recordings with the artist in the recording credit?
      • 2012-10-03 27732, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Probably, yes
      • 2012-10-03 27752, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        be a bit silly for classical, of course.
      • 2012-10-03 27715, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Was thinking that too, yes - although hey, I'm sure some people would want videos by some of these youtube classical stars
      • 2012-10-03 27734, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Problem is that showing them for composers would be a bit silly for everything else :/
      • 2012-10-03 27708, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        doesn't the current csg work in progress want both composers and prominent performers in the ac?
      • 2012-10-03 27715, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Nope
      • 2012-10-03 27720, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Just performers on recording AC
      • 2012-10-03 27736, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        well, I'm thinking recording ac in this case.
      • 2012-10-03 27751, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        which would mean that they wouldn't be shown on the composer page.
      • 2012-10-03 27754, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Yeah
      • 2012-10-03 27703, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Of course, they could show on the *work* page...
      • 2012-10-03 27728, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (likely I don't want "anything by Beethoven" but "this sonata by Beethoven")
      • 2012-10-03 27734, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But dunno
      • 2012-10-03 27743, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Although, of course, I might very well want "anything by Urmas Sisask"
      • 2012-10-03 27759, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (or any other small composer I might be checking out for the first time out of curiosity)
      • 2012-10-03 27725, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        if you go to the page for some work, you could indicate which recordings have streams available, i suppose.
      • 2012-10-03 27741, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Implement genres, if something is tagged as art music, show videos for composer :p
      • 2012-10-03 27752, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (yeah, that means "maybe get it in 2016")
      • 2012-10-03 27722, 2012

      • reosarevok
        How to get actual video support in MB would be a start, too...
      • 2012-10-03 27728, 2012

      • reosarevok
        *thinking about
      • 2012-10-03 27742, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        well, we have the streaming [video] links
      • 2012-10-03 27751, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        trivial to e.g. embed youtube given that link
      • 2012-10-03 27713, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Sure
      • 2012-10-03 27724, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        (i looked this up a while back; the video url for all major sites has enough info to generate a video embed for that video)
      • 2012-10-03 27737, 2012

      • reosarevok
        I meant more like actually have a "video" section and maybe a "video" flag for recordings
      • 2012-10-03 27756, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (which would also reply to people who ask "if an iTunes release has x videos in the end, do we add them")
      • 2012-10-03 27711, 2012

      • hawke_1
        Why not just follow composer→work→recording→streaming video?
      • 2012-10-03 27732, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        yeah, some way to indicate whether a recording is video or not would be nice.
      • 2012-10-03 27742, 2012

      • reosarevok
        hawke_1: for what? Displaying videos for a composer?
      • 2012-10-03 27749, 2012

      • hawke_1
        Is that not what was being suggested?
      • 2012-10-03 27755, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Because I imagine most people don't want videos for some pop song composed by some random guy
      • 2012-10-03 27713, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (appearing in "some random guy"'s page
      • 2012-10-03 27716, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But maybe they wouldn't mind?
      • 2012-10-03 27717, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Dunno
      • 2012-10-03 27725, 2012

      • hawke_1
        I would put it last, to be sure.
      • 2012-10-03 27739, 2012

      • hawke_1
        i.e. recording artist credit first
      • 2012-10-03 27747, 2012

      • hawke_1
        but sure, it’s related to him.
      • 2012-10-03 27750, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
      • 2012-10-03 27709, 2012

      • reosarevok
        :)
      • 2012-10-03 27736, 2012

      • reosarevok
      • 2012-10-03 27759, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        I just picked the first classical video in my youtube subscriptions :)
      • 2012-10-03 27714, 2012

      • reosarevok
        I just picked the only classical channel which is fully in MB (afaik)
      • 2012-10-03 27749, 2012

      • reosarevok
        In case someone wanted existing, CSG-following examples
      • 2012-10-03 27754, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        it would be nice if I could get more of the stuff off that cbc music channel in, there's a bunch of good things on there.
      • 2012-10-03 27712, 2012

      • reosarevok
        We need a youtube importer or something
      • 2012-10-03 27718, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Adding all info by hand is annoying
      • 2012-10-03 27752, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        given that youtube videos have exactly two metadata fields - 'title' and 'description', that would not be easy.
      • 2012-10-03 27709, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        of course, any particular channel might use a structure in their titles...
      • 2012-10-03 27713, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Yeah
      • 2012-10-03 27745, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But you know, auto-entering "video" as disambiguation and the duration, seeding the URL to the edit note field (and maybe to the clipboard) saves a while already
      • 2012-10-03 27748, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (and auto-opening the add standalone recording tab, of course9
      • 2012-10-03 27700, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Put the title on the title field, and let the user deal with the rest
      • 2012-10-03 27701, 2012

      • jacobbrett
        reosarevok: Want to write a guideline for videos?