CatCat: I think it's semi-reasonable to critique aspects of my editing, it's just a bit unusual for the message to be so strongly "no" without glaring problems with my editing? hard to know where to improve.. ?
2012-10-16 29055, 2012
derwin
< jacobbrett> Sure, and I really don't know what major label release schedules look like, but I assume Friday,
2012-10-16 29058, 2012
derwin
historically, has been significant, else they wouldn't have switched to it?
2012-10-16 29001, 2012
derwin
tuesdays is the day in general.
2012-10-16 29010, 2012
derwin
(at least in the USA)
2012-10-16 29006, 2012
Freso
derwin: It wasn't a US release. :)
2012-10-16 29021, 2012
derwin
Freso: yeah, I saw it's german, way back there, heh.
Freso: that's more or less why I put them there, but I don't actually go back and convert them.. but someone could..
2012-10-16 29031, 2012
derwin
KRSCuan: what about that example, in speciic?
2012-10-16 29033, 2012
derwin
*specific
2012-10-16 29046, 2012
KRSCuan
Producer – Erik Roos, Larry Tee; Written-By – Daphne Gomez-Mena, Debbie Attias, Larry Tee, Michael Pedraza*
2012-10-16 29046, 2012
Freso
derwin: Which is why they're voting no. :) One of the reasons people votes for me being an auto-editor way back, was because I was striving towards fully AR'ing releases I was adding.
2012-10-16 29047, 2012
KRSCuan
That stuff should be entered as relationships.
2012-10-16 29009, 2012
derwin
KRSCuan: right, I know, but there is no way to enter those relationships while adding the release.
2012-10-16 29016, 2012
KRSCuan
4 panel digipak cover. ← Digipak belongs to the packaging field.
2012-10-16 29019, 2012
Freso
derwin: Not that this is a requirement, of course, but it does subject you to a wider variety of edits and more editing decisions you need to make.
2012-10-16 29028, 2012
KRSCuan
Can be added to the annotation too.
2012-10-16 29043, 2012
derwin
KRSCuan: so I can either enter most of the stuff that needs entering as I import, and hope the rest of the stuff gets added eventually
2012-10-16 29046, 2012
kepstin-laptop
derwin: you can't do them from in the release editor, but you can certainly add them as soon as you've submitted the release add edit.
2012-10-16 29026, 2012
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2012-10-16 29031, 2012
derwin
kepstin-laptop: right. and it's fair as a critique that I do not do that. but essentially, like all the remix ARs I don't edit, I figure those are for either ppl who like adding ARs and/or ppl who write bots to do so
2012-10-16 29049, 2012
Freso
(E.g., is this "insturmnet" really "instrumnet" or "insturment"? Do I go for their parent instrument, or research to figure out which particular one it was - and/or make a motion to have it included in the instrument tree?)
2012-10-16 29051, 2012
derwin
I *could* take the time to 100% every release, but I've been tending to 85% them instead, and have more of them.
2012-10-16 29026, 2012
derwin
if it's preferred that I 100%, I *can* do that, but it will dramatically reduce the number of new labels, artists, etc I add.. and I've been viewing that as a goal along with my practical tagging..
2012-10-16 29027, 2012
KRSCuan
And auto-editors are expected to strive for those 100%. ;)
2012-10-16 29033, 2012
KRSCuan
Or maybe 95%.
2012-10-16 29043, 2012
derwin
ok, well I do in general *strive* for that as a goal, and appreciate it
2012-10-16 29054, 2012
derwin
but not necessarily on initial import?
2012-10-16 29003, 2012
kepstin-laptop
if you're just adding things, but not editing and improving things already there, then you don't really get much benefit from being an autoeditor, imo.
2012-10-16 29021, 2012
kepstin-laptop
i suppose it does remove your adds from the requires-voting queue
2012-10-16 29030, 2012
kepstin-laptop heads out.
2012-10-16 29036, 2012
derwin
kepstin-laptop: the major interest I have in auto-editing is a specific case. basically if I miss that I have made a mistake while importing, it takes over a week for my corrections to take.
2012-10-16 29059, 2012
derwin
I can just use beets import -L to re-tag eventually, and that works fine
2012-10-16 29017, 2012
KRSCuan
Don't make mistakes in the first place. :)
2012-10-16 29023, 2012
derwin
but it seems odd when I : 1) know there's a problem 2) know the solution 3) have to wait a week 4) when nobody cares to vote on it
2012-10-16 29036, 2012
derwin
KRSCuan: heh, 9/10 times the mistake in this case is not mine, it's the person entering into discogs.
2012-10-16 29057, 2012
KRSCuan
Well, that could be a feature request – make it easier for editors to correct their edits while they are still in queue.
2012-10-16 29011, 2012
KRSCuan
But that would need someone to implement that.
2012-10-16 29013, 2012
derwin
fwiw, if I could do remixer in the release editor
2012-10-16 29017, 2012
KRSCuan
And it could mess with voting.
2012-10-16 29020, 2012
derwin
I would take the time to do it, because I care about it
2012-10-16 29007, 2012
KRSCuan
There's a new relationship editor that will make adding relationships to releases much easier.
2012-10-16 29030, 2012
KRSCuan
It's already on beta.musicbrainz.org and will probably be in the next server release.
2012-10-16 29036, 2012
derwin
but ok, this is reasonable feedback. I am relatively unlikely to stop doing either the genre or style of import that I do (in terms of 99% coming via discogs or beatport importer) but I can make an effort to bump up my initial quality..
2012-10-16 29001, 2012
derwin
KRSCuan: I feel like there's some sort of.. boundary.. here..
2012-10-16 29009, 2012
derwin
I wonder how ppl think about it. Basically it goes like..
2012-10-16 29016, 2012
derwin
I am editing because I am tagging
2012-10-16 29026, 2012
KRSCuan
Dinnertime, bbl
2012-10-16 29029, 2012
derwin
are most editors editing because they are tagging?
2012-10-16 29001, 2012
derwin
I am a pretty obsessive person about music metadata, but other than as, like, a hobby
2012-10-16 29009, 2012
derwin
it's hard for me to understand editing without tagging?
2012-10-16 29010, 2012
Freso
derwin: Some people are editing because they're tagging.
2012-10-16 29026, 2012
Freso
derwin: Some people are editing because they're "archiving" the data.
2012-10-16 29055, 2012
Freso
derwin: Some people are editing because they need the data to be available for other services (BBC, MXM, Spotify, ...).
2012-10-16 29022, 2012
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2012-10-16 29028, 2012
yoasif_work
wait, my inputs are being used by evil commercial companies? ;)
2012-10-16 29033, 2012
Freso
derwin: Other people are likely doing it for entirely different reasons.
2012-10-16 29047, 2012
Freso
yoasif_work: All MB data is free; yes.
2012-10-16 29033, 2012
yoasif_work
thats gotta be interesting on their end
2012-10-16 29036, 2012
yoasif_work
like herding cats
2012-10-16 29042, 2012
mat_
can someone log on iswcnet or is it only broken for me ?
Freso: that just means that we need to pressure media player devs to improve the usage of the available data
2012-10-16 29037, 2012
Freso
derwin: The remaining 20-30% is purely for knowing the data is now available, even if I may never use it myself.
2012-10-16 29003, 2012
derwin
although great feedback on my edits
2012-10-16 29006, 2012
yoasif_work
derwin: are there comments there or something that i can't see?
2012-10-16 29007, 2012
Freso
yoasif_work: The data needs to be made available first though. Which means more people need to strive for those 100%. :)
2012-10-16 29008, 2012
yoasif_work
:P
2012-10-16 29014, 2012
derwin
for example some cases Guess Case doesn't work on
2012-10-16 29022, 2012
derwin
yoasif_work: no, mostly the 3/21 Y/N ratio :)
2012-10-16 29054, 2012
yoasif_work
derwin: im better than this guy ;)
2012-10-16 29056, 2012
derwin
Freso: I guess I'm viewing going from 0% (no release) to 85%-with-all-the-entities-to-improve as really significant, versus the 85-100% data cleanliness?
Freso: aww. actually I am mostly encouraged by being voted down.
2012-10-16 29048, 2012
derwin
Freso: even if I would have appreciated understanding how likely that was before the slightly embarassing experience?
2012-10-16 29006, 2012
derwin
but many communities are so desperate for participants that they lower standards, and I'm glad that's not happening :)
2012-10-16 29013, 2012
Freso
derwin: I do agree that getting to 70-80 percent is good, and def. infinitely better than 0% - but if we want to push media players to use the data of the last ~25%, it needs to be available too.
2012-10-16 29018, 2012
yoasif_work
derwin: yeah i like that too
2012-10-16 29029, 2012
yoasif_work
bah, my edits before 2012 dont show up
2012-10-16 29041, 2012
yoasif_work
oh wait, i have to keep clicking last
2012-10-16 29047, 2012
shisma
is there a way to split a work?
2012-10-16 29041, 2012
Freso
shisma: No. :/
2012-10-16 29050, 2012
kepstin-laptop
derwin: I suspect that most of the autoeditors don't mostly import from discogs; in fact most of the stuff I do isn't on discogs at all. So this sort of automatic bot stuff doesn't happen much.
2012-10-16 29029, 2012
shisma
can I put a feature request somewhere? ^^
2012-10-16 29033, 2012
Freso
shisma: I usually rename/repurpose the work to be the first one not already existing in the db, and then add the remaining works manually.
2012-10-16 29005, 2012
shisma
or maybe clone an existing work
2012-10-16 29007, 2012
derwin
kepstin-laptop: but yes, I think because I am into electronic music and discogs is what it is, I am an unusual editor in that way. 99% of things I want to import are in discogs or on beatport, because I'm importing to dj with
or is it possible to copy and paste relationships?
2012-10-16 29019, 2012
Freso
Ugh.
2012-10-16 29039, 2012
Freso
And obviously an add from before [traditional] was merged into [unknown]. D:
2012-10-16 29049, 2012
Freso
Silly, silly people who did that. -.-
2012-10-16 29053, 2012
derwin
Freso: philosophically, it's difficult for me to want to spend time doing things I don't "have" to (because they could be done in an automated fashion), I view it as coming at the expense of things only I can do.
2012-10-16 29006, 2012
Mineo
dear reoafk, thanks for nominating listmycds, voting hasn't been fun with him opening so many good edits :-)
2012-10-16 29012, 2012
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2012-10-16 29016, 2012
derwin
anyway, I have to get to work. but I will strive to improve the quality of my edits, I will make a little list of things I don't currently do, and determine my approach to getting those done
2012-10-16 29059, 2012
derwin
I really am hoping to provide the best balance of time spent vs. value/quality, and appreciate all feedback :D
2012-10-16 29024, 2012
Freso
derwin: I usually just open a new tab. Since I already thave the Discogs/whatever site open and am going to copy the address anyway in my edit note, it's a matter of seconds for copying the address into the Add URL rel. page in addition to the edit note.
2012-10-16 29004, 2012
derwin
Freso: I relate the release 100% of the time
2012-10-16 29013, 2012
derwin
Freso: and in fact submitted a bug on that interface
2012-10-16 29024, 2012
derwin
which was fixed, to speed me up :)
2012-10-16 29035, 2012
derwin
ok, really afk
2012-10-16 29047, 2012
yoasif_work
i look forward to bots scanning cover art to add data
2012-10-16 29048, 2012
yoasif_work
:P
2012-10-16 29049, 2012
derwin
I think I will put a little note on my editor bio
2012-10-16 29010, 2012
kepstin-laptop
man, my irc client really sucks at reconnecting when I switch wireless networks :/
2012-10-16 29012, 2012
derwin
explaining why most of my edits are discogs imports, at least
2012-10-16 29038, 2012
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2012-10-16 29028, 2012
Freso
adding in the edits yourself.
2012-10-16 29000, 2012
yoasif_work
url relationships are basically instantaneous anywya
