#musicbrainz

please pm me or osmething

http://musicbrainz.org/recording/d2df9667-1ea7-... <--- omg o_O 22 PUIDs!

I can't find libaliased-perl on Gentoo

I assumethat's a missingdependency

wow, you still have that problem

12 hours later?

hey anyone?

Yep. I kinda got sidetracked by a couple of pints of guinness and some fried chicken

hey i was wondering if one of you (american?) could help me buy 5 of these http://www.amazon.com/Adidas-After-Sport-Hair-S... (won't ship to norway for some reason :/)

they stopped selling thme here, soi was so happy to see it on amazon

naturally i will pay

please pm me or something, i will go t obed now

if anyone else gets in here.. you can tell them about this too, can'r you?

CatCat: I fail at mailing things, otherwise would help.

since there is a sale right now too

derwin: uhhuh.. ok

no, it's like a longstanding problem I have

I think I will do it, and offer, and then don't :)

ok, but you can help by sendign others to my query and tell them about it while i am away sleeping, THAt would help!

:)

arg the neigbour

CatCat, You need anAmazonwish list

I need to clean my space bar

what do you mean?

it wont help becasue they won't send to norway

I guess that won't hep you though if they won't ship to Norway

you have to order it to you and then shi pto me (or i buty it and ship to your adress)

and you ship to me

CatCat, amazon uk or de won’t ship there either?

i already searched amazon uk they dob't have it.. i didn't check de

ah, ok

let me check

not on de or fr

yea

i guess only uk has it (and they are out)

us has it

uk doesn't have it

I meant in europe… UK has a page for it, but the product is “Currently unavailable”

I did a search on amazon.uk i didn't find it at all ,neither unavailable nor not

hrm...

am I missing "appearing as" here?

so in the case of "Stazma" appearing as "Stazma the Junglechrist" how do I get it to name my file with the longer one?

derwin: what do you mean? Picard will use the as-credited name from the artist credit by default

hey i found a differnt seller, it cost more though, but atleast thery can send to norway

yea

natta alle

derwin: check to make sure that you don't have Options > Metadata > Use standardized artist names enabled.

kepstin-laptop: what I mean is, if I want to, say, name the file as one or the other.

if it defaults to using the as-credited name, how can I access the non-as-credited name?

the "canonical" name

like say I never want "Stazma" credited as anything but "Stazma"

derwin: ah, there's no way of doing that right now, as far as I know.

oh. well that will probalby make this beets tagger bug harder to accomplish.

... what does beets have to do with picard?

it uses similar entity mappings

and therefore allows me to refer to something when asking question :)

what does "use standardized artist names" do?

derwin: when determining the values for 'artist', 'albumartist', etc, it uses the artist's name rather than the name used in the artist credit.

iirc.

so like "Aphex Twin" gets "Richard D. James" ?

" Check to only use standard Artist names, rather than Artist Credits which may differ slightly across tracks and releases. "

no, aphex twin is a separate artist.

isn't that what I'm asking about?

artist "names" versus "credits" ?

it'll use "Aphex Twin" instead of "The Aphex Twin" on http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/119f30e7-e...

isn't that the same as "Stazma" instead of "Stazma The Junglechrist" ?

derwin: yes.

probably, yes

I feel like you told me "no" but your answer is logical yes?

sometimes there are alternate names that are actually put in as separate artists

right, I'm talking artist alias ones, "performing as"

like evidently Richard D. James and Aphex Twin are actually two different artists

yeah

so yeah, standardized names will deal with different crediting but won't change Richard James to Aphex Twin or vice versa

is the example

ah, yes

use standardized names would list "Stazma The Junglechrist", since that's the name for the artist

while the normal system would use 'Stazma'

ok

derwin: ah, I read your original question backwards. I thought you said that "Stazma" was credited as "Stazma The Junglechrist"

yeah, that had confused me too :)

kepstin-laptop: I thought it was the other way around, my bad

I guess "Stazma The Junglechrist" is canonical

usually the shorter name is the standard, that didn't help :P

yeah, heh!

ok. I think I grok now.

derwin: the capitalization of that seems wrong, shouldn't it be "Stazma the Junglechrist" ?

kepstin-laptop: you probably are correct

this doc says

" Automatically scan all new files: Check this box if you want Picard to scan each music file you add and look for a PUID. This takes time, but may be helpful for you and MusicBrainz. "

still current ?

derwin: well, it'll use acoustids now if you have them enabled

but otherwise, yes

I guess I don't have wiki perms

was going to replace with " AcoustID "

derwin: you should be able to edit it, hm

which page is this?

ianmcorvidae: sec

ah, nvm, I found the page

want me to just fix it?

probably changing it to talk about fingerprints in general rather than a specific implementation would be better

yeah

ianmcorvidae: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/PicardDocumentation...

but sure

kepstin-laptop: do you know how picard canonicalizes? does the webservice give you both "artistcredit" and "artistname" ?

or is that two /ws requests?

it probably includes the artist request

which will give the name

ah, I see, there's a release request then and artist request, in general

which makes sense, ok.

the webservice includes some artist info along with the artist credit

no, I mean

with inc=artist-credits+artists, at least.

(note that the webservice doesn't give you the artist field as flat text - the client has to put it together from the list of credited artists and join phrases)

yeah..

so an artist "credit" is how the artist is performing on a given release. if he is using a name variation, that is an "artist alias"

no, aliases are different

and unrelated

doesn't seem to mention the idea of a "credit"

or "appearing as"

that's because artist credits are documented at http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Artist_Credit :)

sure, but artist credits relate to artist entity

I would expect them to be mentioned on the artist page

(it probably should be linked to the artist page, i agree)

derwin: take a look at http://musicbrainz.org/ws/2/release/69343359-63... to see the information that the webservice returns - it includes both the credited name and the artist's real name.

kepstin-laptop: awesome, thx

right, "name" is the credit

err, "name-credit"

name-credit > name is the "as credited" name, and name-credit > artist > name is the artist's real name.

and "name" within the artist block is the canonical

totally. awesome, thx.

fwiw, if anyone cares, bug in question is : http://code.google.com/p/beets/issues/detail?id...

it gets a bit more complicated with collaborations.

( I know beets is third party )