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      • rswarbrick
        nikki: I think I can ask you this question in an official capacity :-D

        • 2012-02-18 04909, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        (aaand you're cooking. Sorry!)

        • 2012-02-18 04918, 2012

      • reosarevok
        nikki / hawke_: do you have a link to the ticket?

        • 2012-02-18 04921, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        yeah, nikki and reosarevok would be the people to ask about what precisely to RFC

        • 2012-02-18 04933, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Right. reosarevok: Help! :-D

        • 2012-02-18 04956, 2012

      • reosarevok
        rswarbrick, trying to, but I suck at Jira searching :(

        • 2012-02-18 04907, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Jira?

        • 2012-02-18 04916, 2012

      • MBChatLogger
        http://tickets.musicbrainz.org

        • 2012-02-18 04916, 2012

      • reosarevok
        tickets.mb.org

        • 2012-02-18 04937, 2012

      • reosarevok
        http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-3646

        • 2012-02-18 04938, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Here

        • 2012-02-18 04943, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        No, sorry. Before opening an RFC ticket, I thought it would be good to have written the proposal!

        • 2012-02-18 04955, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Ah, thanks.

        • 2012-02-18 04909, 2012

      • reosarevok
        rswarbrick, sure, I meant more that the easiest way of doing it would be combining it with that IMO

        • 2012-02-18 04912, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Well, "easiest"

        • 2012-02-18 04913, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Best

        • 2012-02-18 04929, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But that's why I was asking hawke_ what his plans about it were

        • 2012-02-18 04931, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Ah, ok that makes sense.

        • 2012-02-18 04937, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        hawke_: Comments?

        • 2012-02-18 04921, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        This looks quite pre-NGS...

        • 2012-02-18 04946, 2012

      • reosarevok
        rswarbrick: why?

        • 2012-02-18 04952, 2012

      • reosarevok
        nikki: http://stereogum.com/479061/conan-obrien-%E2%80%9… spoken word single :p

        • 2012-02-18 04924, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Oh, sorry I misunderstood what I was reading.

        • 2012-02-18 04957, 2012

      • reosarevok
        nikki / hawke_: While I agree "interview" and "audiobook" are probably "other", "spoken word" can be album, EP or single"

        • 2012-02-18 04958, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        I guess an RG-level flag for "classical" (plus other things later) would be independent from this proposal no?

        • 2012-02-18 04933, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Other things: interview, audiobook.

        • 2012-02-18 04934, 2012

      • reosarevok
        rswarbrick: my vision of it would be to use it as "album, classical"

        • 2012-02-18 04941, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Yes, I like that.

        • 2012-02-18 04943, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Same way as you could use "album, soundtrack"

        • 2012-02-18 04956, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But right now, all of those are release group types

        • 2012-02-18 04904, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        But the proposal you've pointed at is about release statuses.

        • 2012-02-18 04920, 2012

      • reosarevok
        So ideally, as we don't want classical as a main RG type

        • 2012-02-18 04922, 2012

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        • 2012-02-18 04925, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        I agree!

        • 2012-02-18 04940, 2012

      • reosarevok
        We would want to split them, and then add classical to the list of selectable "additional flags"

        • 2012-02-18 04951, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Where we would move "soundtrack", "spoken word" and the like

        • 2012-02-18 04902, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Yes. But this is not the same as Hawke's proposal. He's writing about releases, not release groups.

        • 2012-02-18 04908, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        And about statuses, not types.

        • 2012-02-18 04930, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Where?

        • 2012-02-18 04936, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Release_Type…

        • 2012-02-18 04938, 2012

      • reosarevok meant http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-3646?focusedCommentId=20162&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Acomment-tabpanel#action_20162

        • 2012-02-18 04905, 2012

      • reosarevok
        rswarbrick, hawke_ hasn't really touched that yet http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/?title=Proposal:Relea…

        • 2012-02-18 04920, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        I realise.

        • 2012-02-18 04921, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Dunno if he intends to, as that one *is* pre-ngs

        • 2012-02-18 04934, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Ah, now I see what I want to read.

        • 2012-02-18 04941, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Indeed - that's what I wrote above :-D

        • 2012-02-18 04948, 2012

      • reosarevok
        :)

        • 2012-02-18 04910, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        hawke_: Do you want to write this up as an RFC or shall I?

        • 2012-02-18 04915, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        reosarevok: My original question was actually one of form. Am I right in thinking that I should write a new version of http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Release_Group/Type (somewhere in user:rswarbrick's namespace)? Rather than listing differences.

        • 2012-02-18 04935, 2012

      • reosarevok
        rswarbrick: you are right, yep :)

        • 2012-02-18 04902, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Cool. Where should information like the migration scheme Hawke suggested go? In the email to the style list?

        • 2012-02-18 04910, 2012

      • reosarevok
        You can just copy the stuff from that one to yours and start changing it

        • 2012-02-18 04911, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Hmm

        • 2012-02-18 04921, 2012

      • reosarevok
        I guess you could add an "annex" to it

        • 2012-02-18 04927, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Say, another h2

        • 2012-02-18 04941, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Yeah, but it's not part of the proposed style...

        • 2012-02-18 04944, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Saying "this is migrating information and won't be moved to the actual documentation"

        • 2012-02-18 04904, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Technically it is, in that part of the proposal is how to get there

        • 2012-02-18 04910, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Cool. Shall do.

        • 2012-02-18 04913, 2012

      • reosarevok
        :)

        • 2012-02-18 04914, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Cool

        • 2012-02-18 04925, 2012

      • reosarevok goes get himself some noms

        • 2012-02-18 04950, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Anyone: What's the difference between the Spokenword and Audiobook release types?

        • 2012-02-18 04956, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        (RG types, that is)

        • 2012-02-18 04917, 2012

      • kepstin
        spokenword isn't recordings of books?

        • 2012-02-18 04932, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Well, they seem to have two different categories...

        • 2012-02-18 04939, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Release_Group/Type

        • 2012-02-18 04942, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Yeah, spokenword is for actual pieces intended to be performed like that

        • 2012-02-18 04907, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Say, comic sketches, or slam poetry, or whatever

        • 2012-02-18 04910, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Right, fair enough. Maybe clarifying that should be a separate RFC. Not what I'm looking at now though.

        • 2012-02-18 04915, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Rather than "I have a book and I read it"

        • 2012-02-18 04921, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Thanks.

        • 2012-02-18 04944, 2012

      • reosarevok
        TBH, when I have something like "poems, read by the poet" I never know where to put it :)

        • 2012-02-18 04954, 2012

      • reosarevok
        So yeah, it could use some clarifying

        • 2012-02-18 04954, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Bugger. How does audiobook fit in to our scheme? :-)

        • 2012-02-18 04900, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But yes, a different thing

        • 2012-02-18 04905, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        album + audiobook for now?

        • 2012-02-18 04905, 2012

      • reosarevok
        rswarbrick: I'd say other + audiobook

        • 2012-02-18 04913, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Better. Thanks.

        • 2012-02-18 04920, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Same for interview

        • 2012-02-18 04939, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Yep.

        • 2012-02-18 04950, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Spoken word is more music-like, in the way that they're more commonly thought of about actual "albums"

        • 2012-02-18 04900, 2012

      • reosarevok
        ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoken_word_album )

        • 2012-02-18 04906, 2012

      • reosarevok
        heh

        • 2012-02-18 04911, 2012

      • reosarevok
        "It could be said to be the ancestor of today's audiobook format"

        • 2012-02-18 04934, 2012

      • reosarevok
        So yeah, they definitely need some clarifying :p

        • 2012-02-18 04952, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        But I want the RFC to pass, so I'm leaving that can of worms unopened :-)

        • 2012-02-18 04956, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Yeah

        • 2012-02-18 04904, 2012

      • reosarevok goes get noms for real

        • 2012-02-18 04914, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Bon appetit

        • 2012-02-18 04916, 2012

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        • 2012-02-18 04934, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        I'm trying to add examples to this RFC. Can anyone point to a really famous Japanese band with a single? (According to the current version: "The '''Japanese market''' is much more single driven")

        • 2012-02-18 04956, 2012

      • kepstin
        ayumi hamasaki is probably a good one to use for an example

        • 2012-02-18 04922, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Can you give me a link to their most famous single?

        • 2012-02-18 04925, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        モーニング娘。 is another fairly well-known group

        • 2012-02-18 04927, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        (I really have no idea, sorry!)

        • 2012-02-18 04932, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        (if you want a group + a person, perhaps)

        • 2012-02-18 04933, 2012

      • kepstin
        "most famous"?

        • 2012-02-18 04940, 2012

      • kepstin
        she has lots and lots and lots

        • 2012-02-18 04940, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        I'm just trying to avoid a random example...

        • 2012-02-18 04941, 2012

      • kepstin
        http://musicbrainz.org/artist/2b615bcf-baa0-4657-…

        • 2012-02-18 04957, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Bloody hell.

        • 2012-02-18 04902, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/fcd58b7d-77c… is a good one for what I mentioned

        • 2012-02-18 04921, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        ianmcorvidae: Great, I'll use that. Thanks.

        • 2012-02-18 04929, 2012

      • kepstin
        but yeah, most popular japanese artists will have multiple pages of singles

        • 2012-02-18 04937, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Any suggestions for EP examples? (I'm really out of my classical music comfort zone here!)

        • 2012-02-18 04950, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Hmm

        • 2012-02-18 04905, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Normal EPs?

        • 2012-02-18 04907, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Live EPs?

        • 2012-02-18 04908, 2012

      • kepstin goes back to playing the game he's in :)

        • 2012-02-18 04910, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Soundtrack EPs?

        • 2012-02-18 04917, 2012

      • reosarevok
        kepstin: did they put you in a game? :p

        • 2012-02-18 04934, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Preferably two, one of each.

        • 2012-02-18 04939, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Or you just mean you're playing it?

        • 2012-02-18 04941, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        To balance things up so far.

        • 2012-02-18 04943, 2012

      • reosarevok
        rswarbrick, I can try

        • 2012-02-18 04947, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Thank you!

        • 2012-02-18 04911, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        These style guides seem to be seriously lacking in "Here's a decently marked up example. Copy it" links...

        • 2012-02-18 04917, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Yes :p

        • 2012-02-18 04931, 2012

      • reosarevok
        That too

        • 2012-02-18 04907, 2012

      • kepstin notes that the median track count of a japanese single is probably 4.

        • 2012-02-18 04931, 2012

      • kepstin
        they tend to have a lot of singles with 2 songs then karaoke versions of both :)

        • 2012-02-18 04943, 2012

      • kepstin
        depends a lot on the artist and label tho.

        • 2012-02-18 04947, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        I'll stay in my classical hole :-)

        • 2012-02-18 04952, 2012

      • reosarevok
        rswarbrick: http://musicbrainz.org/release/91c48294-013a-4cf4… Soundtrack EP

        • 2012-02-18 04902, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Does anyone know what [[release_group_attribute]] used to link to?

        • 2012-02-18 04908, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        It's a redlink at the moment.

        • 2012-02-18 04927, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Go there, see history ;)

        • 2012-02-18 04945, 2012

      • reosarevok
        heh

        • 2012-02-18 04947, 2012

      • reosarevok
        rswarbrick, also http://musicbrainz.org/release/a595c429-6590-47cd…

        • 2012-02-18 04954, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Even has "Soundtrack EP" on the cover!

        • 2012-02-18 04901, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Ah, fantastic!

        • 2012-02-18 04911, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Have you any idea of a non-soundtrack EP?

        • 2012-02-18 04925, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        (I can only think of one some friends released, which doesn't really fit the bill!)

        • 2012-02-18 04945, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Warcraft. *sigh* Perfect though, I guess.

        • 2012-02-18 04918, 2012

      • reosarevok
        rswarbrick, http://musicbrainz.org/search?query=type%3Alive+A…

        • 2012-02-18 04945, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Brilliant! Have you heard of any of them?

        • 2012-02-18 04946, 2012

      • reosarevok
        http://musicbrainz.org/release/93f8e6ca-c756-37d0… has "the live EP" in the title

        • 2012-02-18 04951, 2012

      • reosarevok
        And it's Gary Numan

        • 2012-02-18 04955, 2012

      • reosarevok
        So it's not totally unknown

        • 2012-02-18 04911, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Er...

        • 2012-02-18 04917, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        To others, I presume :-D

        • 2012-02-18 04943, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Ok, maybe just as "The guy from that 'Cars' song"

        • 2012-02-18 04944, 2012

      • reosarevok
        :p

        • 2012-02-18 04949, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Modulo examples and a migration guide (to go at the end) the current version is: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:rswarbrick/Propo…

        • 2012-02-18 04901, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Can you spot any glaring mistakes?

        • 2012-02-18 04908, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Yes, the title :p

        • 2012-02-18 04927, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (as in, it's not just a CSGflag)

        • 2012-02-18 04939, 2012

      • rswarbrick
        Yep, but I'll put it somewhere else soon!

        • 2012-02-18 04917, 2012

      • reosarevok
        I can just move it