13:11 PM
hrglgrmpf
no problem!
2012-02-08 03950, 2012
13:11 PM
luks
can you perhaps ping bitmap about them?
2012-02-08 03907, 2012
13:12 PM
luks
I can try to have a look, but I can't guarantee it will be soon
2012-02-08 03910, 2012
13:12 PM
hrglgrmpf
bitmap: ping
2012-02-08 03913, 2012
13:12 PM
hrglgrmpf
done :-)
2012-02-08 03905, 2012
13:32 PM
_5moufl
a track with different parts should be named how? Main title: foo / bar / ... or Main: foo, bar, ...
2012-02-08 03941, 2012
13:32 PM
reosarevok
2012-02-08 03948, 2012
13:32 PM
reosarevok
:)
2012-02-08 03912, 2012
13:33 PM
reosarevok
n
2012-02-08 03943, 2012
14:47 PM
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2012-02-08 03957, 2012
15:10 PM
jacobbrett
I'd probably go Main Title: Part X: Subtitle, Part Y: Subtitle (if parts are numbered/marked) or Main Title: Subtitle / Subtitle as reosarevok said.
2012-02-08 03908, 2012
15:11 PM
jacobbrett
Oh, just realised I'm a bit late
2012-02-08 03935, 2012
15:11 PM
reosarevok
heh
2012-02-08 03942, 2012
15:29 PM
reosarevok
Why are there no aliases for RGs?
2012-02-08 03946, 2012
15:29 PM
reosarevok
They're abstract entities
2012-02-08 03952, 2012
15:29 PM
reosarevok
They definitely should have them
2012-02-08 03906, 2012
15:30 PM
hrglgrmpf
someone once said releases are aliases for release groups
2012-02-08 03940, 2012
15:30 PM
reosarevok
Pfft
2012-02-08 03944, 2012
15:30 PM
hrglgrmpf
:-)
2012-02-08 03950, 2012
15:30 PM
reosarevok
2012-02-08 03905, 2012
15:32 PM
hrglgrmpf
I have about 40 no-votes in my INBOX for BBC reviews o_O
2012-02-08 03947, 2012
15:32 PM
reosarevok
heh
2012-02-08 03951, 2012
15:32 PM
reosarevok
I guess that's good :p
2012-02-08 03900, 2012
15:33 PM
hrglgrmpf
mostly by monxton, who does an amazing job checking classical reviews
2012-02-08 03910, 2012
15:33 PM
hrglgrmpf
I suspect it will be *much* more in 7 days
2012-02-08 03930, 2012
15:33 PM
hrglgrmpf
I guess so, too :-)
2012-02-08 03900, 2012
15:34 PM
hrglgrmpf
but it means I can't handle it by my own, so I will just add the reviews to the wiki, for volunteers to check/correct
2012-02-08 03940, 2012
15:34 PM
reosarevok
Sounds fine
2012-02-08 03950, 2012
15:34 PM
hrglgrmpf
BBC seems to have reviews for multiple albums
2012-02-08 03901, 2012
15:35 PM
hrglgrmpf
I just linked them to every RG they are about
2012-02-08 03906, 2012
15:35 PM
reosarevok adds a pseudorelease and mehs
2012-02-08 03911, 2012
15:35 PM
reosarevok
Multiple albums?
2012-02-08 03912, 2012
15:35 PM
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2012-02-08 03919, 2012
15:35 PM
hrglgrmpf
2012-02-08 03958, 2012
15:35 PM
hrglgrmpf
but on the BBC side of course there should be either no tracklist or tracklists of all albums. But I guess it is so unimportant that no one there will spend much time implementing...
2012-02-08 03946, 2012
15:36 PM
hrglgrmpf
reosarevok: yes, Pseudo-Release = alias then :-)
2012-02-08 03905, 2012
15:37 PM
reosarevok
Yeah, but pseudos are... crappy
2012-02-08 03909, 2012
15:37 PM
hrglgrmpf
yes, terrible
2012-02-08 03920, 2012
15:37 PM
hrglgrmpf
I wish they were integrated like on vgmdb
2012-02-08 03929, 2012
15:37 PM
hrglgrmpf
their solution is beautiful
2012-02-08 03948, 2012
15:37 PM
kepstin-netbook
multiple tracklists on one release, yeah.
2012-02-08 03912, 2012
15:38 PM
hrglgrmpf
kepstin-netbook: yes!
2012-02-08 03901, 2012
15:41 PM
reosarevok
Can I haz link?
2012-02-08 03907, 2012
15:41 PM
hrglgrmpf
?
2012-02-08 03939, 2012
15:41 PM
reosarevok
To one of those releases
2012-02-08 03944, 2012
15:41 PM
reosarevok
In vgmdb
2012-02-08 03957, 2012
15:43 PM
hrglgrmpf
2012-02-08 03913, 2012
15:44 PM
hrglgrmpf
very simple, but it is nice
2012-02-08 03929, 2012
15:44 PM
reosarevok
Yeah, that's a good design
2012-02-08 03930, 2012
15:44 PM
reosarevok
Huh
2012-02-08 03943, 2012
15:44 PM
reosarevok
kepstin-netbook, so, do that for the browsing page :p
2012-02-08 03950, 2012
15:44 PM
hrglgrmpf
I suspect it wouldn't be too hard to do it in MB
2012-02-08 03956, 2012
15:44 PM
reosarevok
It can load the pseudo-releases
2012-02-08 03903, 2012
15:45 PM
reosarevok
(as they'll be linked to the right release)
2012-02-08 03909, 2012
15:45 PM
reosarevok
And display them like this
2012-02-08 03926, 2012
15:45 PM
hrglgrmpf
but a schema change would be required (move script/language to tracklist table)
2012-02-08 03948, 2012
15:45 PM
reosarevok
hrglgrmpf, not really
2012-02-08 03949, 2012
15:45 PM
reosarevok
:)
2012-02-08 03959, 2012
15:45 PM
reosarevok
Well, depends how much you want
2012-02-08 03903, 2012
15:46 PM
hrglgrmpf
what? "not too hard"?
2012-02-08 03926, 2012
15:46 PM
reosarevok
Pseudos are not necessarily a bad thing - they're useful for tagging and can store useful info
2012-02-08 03930, 2012
15:46 PM
reosarevok
Say, script/language
2012-02-08 03939, 2012
15:46 PM
reosarevok
If we had a browsing page
2012-02-08 03946, 2012
15:46 PM
reosarevok
We could keep pseudos in MB as tools
2012-02-08 03947, 2012
15:46 PM
hrglgrmpf
yes, I want to move script/language to the tracklist
2012-02-08 03950, 2012
15:46 PM
reosarevok
But display them integrated
2012-02-08 03906, 2012
15:47 PM
reosarevok
In the page which we used to actually browse and see stuff
2012-02-08 03920, 2012
15:47 PM
kepstin-netbook
hmm, that could actually work fairly well
2012-02-08 03928, 2012
15:47 PM
hrglgrmpf
they are actually bad, because say we have 8 versions of a release (with different cat/barcode), we would need 8 different pseudo releases as well
2012-02-08 03933, 2012
15:47 PM
hrglgrmpf
to get the right cat/barcode
2012-02-08 03936, 2012
15:47 PM
hrglgrmpf
they are terrible
2012-02-08 03944, 2012
15:47 PM
kepstin-netbook
make release list pages simply not display pseudo-releases, other than as alternate tracklists for real releases
2012-02-08 03905, 2012
15:48 PM
kepstin-netbook
hrglgrmpf: it would follow the 'transliteration/translation' ar
2012-02-08 03918, 2012
15:48 PM
kepstin-netbook
and imo psudo-releases shouldn't have cat no, label, etc. anyways
2012-02-08 03922, 2012
15:48 PM
reosarevok
2012-02-08 03928, 2012
15:48 PM
reosarevok
That's one of the ones I just added
2012-02-08 03928, 2012
15:48 PM
kepstin-netbook
because they're not real releases :)
2012-02-08 03934, 2012
15:48 PM
reosarevok
As you see, I left it pretty much empty
2012-02-08 03952, 2012
15:48 PM
reosarevok
If it was me, I'd just block entering any of that info if pseudo-release is selected
2012-02-08 03957, 2012
15:48 PM
kepstin-netbook
yeah.
2012-02-08 03921, 2012
15:49 PM
kepstin-netbook
would need a style proposal to do that, of course.
2012-02-08 03925, 2012
15:49 PM
reosarevok
Sure
2012-02-08 03936, 2012
15:49 PM
reosarevok
nikki, opinions?
2012-02-08 03942, 2012
15:49 PM
hrglgrmpf
reosarevok: well, you couldn't stop me from filling out the missing information :-)
2012-02-08 03905, 2012
15:50 PM
hrglgrmpf
I've seen edits voted down (I think also by nikki) that tried to remove information from Pseudos
2012-02-08 03906, 2012
15:50 PM
kepstin-netbook
hrglgrmpf: yes - you would be blockedfrom entering it in the release editor.
2012-02-08 03906, 2012
15:50 PM
reosarevok
hrglgrmpf, unless we block entering that if pseudo-release is selected
2012-02-08 03920, 2012
15:50 PM
reosarevok
As in, graying out all the fields
2012-02-08 03929, 2012
15:50 PM
hrglgrmpf
well, it is still bad
2012-02-08 03935, 2012
15:50 PM
reosarevok
Why?
2012-02-08 03951, 2012
15:50 PM
kepstin-netbook
hrglgrmpf: well, in this way pseudo-releases are /just/ holders for alternate tracklists for real releases
2012-02-08 03953, 2012
15:50 PM
hrglgrmpf
why not multiple tracklists per release?
2012-02-08 03906, 2012
15:51 PM
kepstin-netbook
so a tool takes a real release, follows the ar, grabs the tracklist
2012-02-08 03919, 2012
15:51 PM
kepstin-netbook
hrglgrmpf: that requires major schema changes
2012-02-08 03924, 2012
15:51 PM
jacobbrett
What's the plan/priority with multiple tracklists, anyway?
2012-02-08 03929, 2012
15:51 PM
hrglgrmpf
I don't think major
2012-02-08 03935, 2012
15:51 PM
jacobbrett
Aw :(
2012-02-08 03953, 2012
15:51 PM
reosarevok
jacobbrett, that's what we're trying to think about
2012-02-08 03908, 2012
15:52 PM
reosarevok
We were considering having an actual "frontend" page to MB
2012-02-08 03931, 2012
15:52 PM
reosarevok
(which would be prettier and less full of menus and with no editing weirdness
2012-02-08 03932, 2012
15:52 PM
reosarevok
)
2012-02-08 03935, 2012
15:52 PM
kepstin-netbook
picard could easily gain support for handling pseudo-releases like this as well
2012-02-08 03947, 2012
15:52 PM
jacobbrett
frontend...?
2012-02-08 03955, 2012
15:52 PM
hrglgrmpf
kepstin-netbook: yes, it could...
2012-02-08 03901, 2012
15:53 PM
reosarevok
jacobbrett, a "read-only" page, so to say
2012-02-08 03916, 2012
15:53 PM
jacobbrett
Ah, I see...
2012-02-08 03919, 2012
15:53 PM
reosarevok
Where we display data, but don't change it
2012-02-08 03924, 2012
15:53 PM
hrglgrmpf
I don't like the "read-only" thing too much... I think the SoundUnwound approach is best
2012-02-08 03938, 2012
15:53 PM
reosarevok
What's that approach?
2012-02-08 03940, 2012
15:53 PM
jacobbrett
So more "glossy" and hide all the "edit X" links etc.
2012-02-08 03943, 2012
15:53 PM
hrglgrmpf
they have two modes for the same page
2012-02-08 03901, 2012
15:54 PM
hrglgrmpf
in editing mode you get all the editing links, and in viewing mode you see the normal page
2012-02-08 03928, 2012
15:54 PM
kepstin-netbook
2012-02-08 03952, 2012
15:54 PM
hrglgrmpf
kepstin-netbook: it looks very nice I think!
2012-02-08 03951, 2012
15:55 PM
reosarevok
That's why I want to try to get kepstin-netbook to be a GSoC student this year for such a frontend
2012-02-08 03906, 2012
15:56 PM
reosarevok
On actual separate page VS. different view mode, I don't mind either
2012-02-08 03912, 2012
15:56 PM
kepstin-netbook
other sorts of things we could do on a page like this is embed youtube/soundcloud links as inline players, show wikipedia descriptions, etc.
2012-02-08 03917, 2012
15:56 PM
jacobbrett
Ah, kepstin-netbook--I like your "expand" solution
2012-02-08 03938, 2012
15:56 PM
jacobbrett
artwork should go full size lightbox-style, or something
2012-02-08 03948, 2012
15:57 PM
kepstin-netbook
hmm, and that would open up a slideshow style browser that lets you view all the images if there are multiple. good idea.
2012-02-08 03942, 2012
15:58 PM
kepstin-netbook
unless something comes up in the next month or so, I'm certainly going to apply to GSOC to see if I can do this.
2012-02-08 03914, 2012
15:59 PM
jacobbrett
2012-02-08 03906, 2012
16:00 PM
kepstin-netbook
jacobbrett: that's a niche thing, far better served with a greasemonkey script than in a sort of general audience browsing page.
2012-02-08 03931, 2012
16:00 PM
jacobbrett
Ah, that's what I was using...Greasemonkey..tied into Playdar/Tomahawk
2012-02-08 03952, 2012
16:03 PM
kepstin-netbook
2012-02-08 03923, 2012
16:04 PM
kepstin-netbook
not perfect, and I'm not sure how it would map to releases, but yeah.
2012-02-08 03938, 2012
16:06 PM
reosarevok
kepstin-netbook: I think I'd rather not merge editing and browsing in the same page like that - although I have to say it looks really cool
2012-02-08 03939, 2012
16:06 PM
kepstin-netbook
but yeah, with the initial idea of this glossy browsing page, there will just be some 'edit on MusicBrainz' links scattered around.
2012-02-08 03905, 2012
16:07 PM
kepstin-netbook
reosarevok: I think it's a way better idea than the current release editor.
2012-02-08 03911, 2012
16:07 PM
kepstin-netbook
the page switching is ridiculous.
2012-02-08 03916, 2012
16:07 PM
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2012-02-08 03941, 2012
16:07 PM
reosarevok
heh
2012-02-08 03941, 2012
16:07 PM
ocharles
kepstin-netbook: that's what we original tried for the release editor
2012-02-08 03946, 2012
16:07 PM
ocharles
it didn't come out very well
2012-02-08 03948, 2012
16:07 PM
jacobbrett
Hmm, I guess you could do a similar planel for a release, as well as inline edit panels for each medium, though it might be better to do it all on a separate pagee...perhaps with a nifty animation that slides over to an edit screen or something
2012-02-08 03904, 2012
16:08 PM
ocharles
it's recording associations that are the most problematic
2012-02-08 03942, 2012
16:08 PM
kepstin-netbook
i'd do recording associations in the tracklist similar to how artist associations are done in the artist credit editor, imo
2012-02-08 03950, 2012
16:09 PM
kepstin-netbook
not sure how well that would work out, exactly.
2012-02-08 03906, 2012
16:11 PM
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2012-02-08 03920, 2012
16:11 PM
Sekhmetouserapis joined the channel
2012-02-08 03942, 2012
16:11 PM
Sekhmetouserapis
hi everyone
2012-02-08 03949, 2012
16:11 PM
reosarevok
Hi!
2012-02-08 03945, 2012
16:12 PM
hrglgrmpf
Hi!
2012-02-08 03936, 2012
16:13 PM
kepstin-netbook still has this silly mockup for a release page hanging around, too: http://people.scs.carleton.ca/~cwalton3/temp/mbmockups/release.html
2012-02-08 03928, 2012
16:14 PM
Sekhmetouserapis
I was wondering: how should you (or even would you) add an unknown singer to a recording ? I have a blues album where performers are identified but for a singer who (from what I read on the Internet) has not yet been identified by biographers...
2012-02-08 03959, 2012
16:14 PM
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2012-02-08 03901, 2012
16:15 PM
kepstin-netbook
Sekhmetouserapis: we have a special artist named "[unknown]" that we use in credits like that
2012-02-08 03902, 2012
16:15 PM
hrglgrmpf
Sekhmetouserapis: is the name known?
2012-02-08 03910, 2012
16:15 PM
hrglgrmpf
Sekhmetouserapis: or anything?
2012-02-08 03925, 2012
16:15 PM
kepstin-netbook
or if the name is known, just add a new artist with no data other than the name, yeah
