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      • reosarevok
      • 2012-02-08 03911, 2012

      • hawke_
        reosarevok: The code for determining what notifications go out (and what appears in an artist edit history), is not a wiki. :-p
      • 2012-02-08 03932, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Yeah, the code is also not the place to document stuff for users :p
      • 2012-02-08 03905, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (although *that* should be more clear too, yes)
      • 2012-02-08 03917, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (but we should document what we can at least!)
      • 2012-02-08 03922, 2012

      • Junnec
        all right, thanks :)
      • 2012-02-08 03929, 2012

      • hawke_
        reosarevok: But I can’t write a wiki page without knowing the code, that’s my point.
      • 2012-02-08 03922, 2012

      • reosarevok
        nikki, do you know what goes into the edit history?
      • 2012-02-08 03921, 2012

      • Junnec
        is there by any chance a way to subscribe to artists etc. depending on albums I own? something like a reverse picard
      • 2012-02-08 03921, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Yes and no
      • 2012-02-08 03925, 2012

      • reosarevok
        There's nothing official
      • 2012-02-08 03930, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But hrglgrmpf had some way I think?
      • 2012-02-08 03934, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Maybe he can help when he's around
      • 2012-02-08 03904, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Junnec, I'm kinda curious what kind of artists those would be
      • 2012-02-08 03949, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (I remember hrglgrmpf had some problems because a few of the artists kept getting edits all the time so he couldn't keep all the subscriptions he wanted or he wouldn't have time to check them all)
      • 2012-02-08 03918, 2012

      • hawke_
        I have that problem occasionally
      • 2012-02-08 03943, 2012

      • reosarevok
      • 2012-02-08 03959, 2012

      • reosarevok
        One label is mailing the BBC to add stuff to a title that doesn't seem to be in the title
      • 2012-02-08 03900, 2012

      • hawke_
        A lot of it is because edits aren’t grouped well
      • 2012-02-08 03938, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Yeah :(
      • 2012-02-08 03914, 2012

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      • hawke_
        e.g. add release is like 5 edits
      • 2012-02-08 03936, 2012

      • hawke_
        and adding ARs to one release is often 30 edits or more
      • 2012-02-08 03916, 2012

      • Sekhmetouserapis
        it's time to do some cooking, see you later
      • 2012-02-08 03923, 2012

      • Dremora
        amazing. irc works through my mobile connection, but is blocked in the institute's wi-fi
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      • hawke_
        http://musicbrainz.org/search?query=BWV+147&t… … Tenth movement, anyone have any idea why 'various artists' is listed in the artists list?
      • 2012-02-08 03959, 2012

      • nikki
      • 2012-02-08 03946, 2012

      • hawke_
        Ah, thanks
      • 2012-02-08 03900, 2012

      • hawke_
        I had “match case” on which is why I couldn’t find it in the performances list
      • 2012-02-08 03901, 2012

      • hawke_
        derp!
      • 2012-02-08 03948, 2012

      • reosarevok
        hawke_, should I change that release to composers?
      • 2012-02-08 03956, 2012

      • hawke_
        reosarevok: Please do.
      • 2012-02-08 03926, 2012

      • hawke_
        I was just thinking, “but I don’t *want* to figure out the composers of that whole album…let alone the performers!
      • 2012-02-08 03951, 2012

      • hawke_
        Actually it looks like performers would be much easier, looking closer
      • 2012-02-08 03946, 2012

      • hawke_
        Anyway, change it to whatever you think the final result of RFV-348 will be. ;-)
      • 2012-02-08 03957, 2012

      • reosarevok
        hawke_, it's a Naxos release
      • 2012-02-08 03905, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Shouldn't be hard to source all the info
      • 2012-02-08 03913, 2012

      • hawke_
        I suppose
      • 2012-02-08 03953, 2012

      • reosarevok
      • 2012-02-08 03955, 2012

      • hawke_
        I didn’t know there were “christmas albums” with useful credit information. ;-)
      • 2012-02-08 03917, 2012

      • reosarevok
        There
      • 2012-02-08 03920, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Not perfect maybe
      • 2012-02-08 03922, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But should do
      • 2012-02-08 03954, 2012

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      • 2012-02-08 03907, 2012

      • Thad
        Is there no way to query with an Artist ID and the name of a recording to get the Recording's ID ?
      • 2012-02-08 03905, 2012

      • nikki
        do a recording search for the recording name and arid:artistidhere
      • 2012-02-08 03937, 2012

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      • hawke_
        Hmm… http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Viswb2DBCzY/TPEdB0WV8QI… tracks 14–17…that seems rather strange. (“BWV 105, 170 & 49”?)
      • 2012-02-08 03938, 2012

      • Mineo
        hawke_: they're arrangements
      • 2012-02-08 03903, 2012

      • Mineo
        all the tracks on the release are ("in Bearbeitungen von Andreas N. Tarkmann")
      • 2012-02-08 03926, 2012

      • hawke_
        four tracks for three cantatas?
      • 2012-02-08 03950, 2012

      • hawke_
        Also, they’re in MB apparently as movements of a single work: http://musicbrainz.org/release/aae02248-386e-4b93…
      • 2012-02-08 03922, 2012

      • hawke_
        So…Hmm, the work should be “Konzert für Oboe, Streicher und Basso continuo”?
      • 2012-02-08 03959, 2012

      • hawke_
        and it should not itself be listed as “BWV 105, 170, & 49”, but as a later version of those?
      • 2012-02-08 03952, 2012

      • Mineo
        the "in bearbeitungen" part ("as edited by") certainly makes it look like a new work
      • 2012-02-08 03936, 2012

      • hawke_
        Is that closer to “arrangement”, or does it more strongly imply real changes?
      • 2012-02-08 03924, 2012

      • Mineo
        I think http://deccaclassics.com/cat/single?sort=newest_r… is probably the same release
      • 2012-02-08 03941, 2012

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      • 2012-02-08 03906, 2012

      • hawke_
        Certainly looks like that’s the English version
      • 2012-02-08 03929, 2012

      • hawke_
        “Arrangments by xxx of movements from cantatas by J.S.Bach”
      • 2012-02-08 03937, 2012

      • Thad
        nikki: unfortunately it does not work: http://www.musicbrainz.org/ws/2/recording/?query=…
      • 2012-02-08 03949, 2012

      • Mineo
        hawke_: you could also try asking pradig about the changes introduced by the arrangement… I suspect he knows a bit about that, being in the münchener bach-chor and all :-)
      • 2012-02-08 03927, 2012

      • Thad
        why does my query not work ? Why does it not return only THAT arid ? but instead about 300 others ?
      • 2012-02-08 03958, 2012

      • hawke_
        Thad: I don’t think you specified that you were using the web service.
      • 2012-02-08 03957, 2012

      • reosarevok
      • 2012-02-08 03921, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (actually, " " seem not to be needed)
      • 2012-02-08 03940, 2012

      • reosarevok
      • 2012-02-08 03951, 2012

      • reosarevok was looking at http://lucene.apache.org/core/old_versioned_docs/versions/3_4_0/queryparsersyntax.html#Fields
      • 2012-02-08 03922, 2012

      • Thad
        reosarevok: looks like your right: http://www.musicbrainz.org/ws/2/recording/?query=…
      • 2012-02-08 03933, 2012

      • hawke_
      • 2012-02-08 03954, 2012

      • reosarevok
        hawke_, he wanted a specific title too
      • 2012-02-08 03910, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Oh, Thad: title is the default
      • 2012-02-08 03915, 2012

      • reosarevok
      • 2012-02-08 03919, 2012

      • Thad
        reosarevok: yeap, a filtered query. Thanks reosarevok
      • 2012-02-08 03921, 2012

      • hawke_
        yeah, I realize that…just wasn’t sure how to separate multiple parameters
      • 2012-02-08 03944, 2012

      • hawke_
        which I guess falls under "lucene search syntax"
      • 2012-02-08 03901, 2012

      • Thad
      • 2012-02-08 03901, 2012

      • hawke_
        also, the fact that it ORs by default is weird. ;-)
      • 2012-02-08 03931, 2012

      • reosarevok
      • 2012-02-08 03936, 2012

      • hawke_
        Wow, whoever made searching by MBID in “relate to…” — I love you.
      • 2012-02-08 03947, 2012

      • reosarevok
        You love bitmap
      • 2012-02-08 03904, 2012

      • hawke_
        Seems like that is often the case.
      • 2012-02-08 03917, 2012

      • hawke_
        Those little details that make things work so much more smoothly
      • 2012-02-08 03940, 2012

      • reosarevok adds a small note about using AND to http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/XML_Web_Service/Version_2/Search
      • 2012-02-08 03921, 2012

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      • Thad
        reosarevok: the main musicbrainz website shows my mentioned link under 1) Products -> XML Web Service and also under 2) Documentation -> Development -> It's first paragraph has hyperlink again. Why are those 2 areas not pointing to the Wiki instead ??
      • 2012-02-08 03921, 2012

      • hawke_
        OMG, the MBID search even auto-detects the type.
      • 2012-02-08 03922, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Yep!
      • 2012-02-08 03925, 2012

      • reosarevok
      • 2012-02-08 03942, 2012

      • reosarevok updates it to have the slightly less ugly link to Search
      • 2012-02-08 03928, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Oh, and a few changes by other people too it seems
      • 2012-02-08 03940, 2012

      • Thad
        reosarevok: ah. well, thanks for the AND tip... didin't even know that since I didn't see it documented. This will help me immensely with 18 million tracks on iTunes. Thanks again.
      • 2012-02-08 03909, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Thad: it's documented on the Lucene search info, which was linked from http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/XML_Web_Service/Versi…
      • 2012-02-08 03911, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But yeah
      • 2012-02-08 03915, 2012

      • reosarevok
        It's such an obvious usecase
      • 2012-02-08 03921, 2012

      • reosarevok
        I've added a small note about it
      • 2012-02-08 03935, 2012

      • reosarevok
        So people don't need to dive into the Lucene docs for it
      • 2012-02-08 03947, 2012

      • Thad
        reosarevok: that will help others.
      • 2012-02-08 03954, 2012

      • reosarevok
        That's the idea :)
      • 2012-02-08 03958, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Argh
      • 2012-02-08 03912, 2012

      • reosarevok
        nikki, navap, or any other transclusion editor
      • 2012-02-08 03928, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Is the "Get wiki versions" button broken? http://musicbrainz.org/admin/wikidoc :(
      • 2012-02-08 03910, 2012

      • Thad
        reosarevok: does this mean that MB does not have this artist ? http://www.musicbrainz.org/ws/2/recording/?query=…
      • 2012-02-08 03943, 2012

      • reosarevok
      • 2012-02-08 03900, 2012

      • reosarevok
        So, yeah, it means that
      • 2012-02-08 03917, 2012

      • reosarevok
      • 2012-02-08 03953, 2012

      • Thad
        reosarevok: got it. thanks. also... anyway to apply a 3rd filter with the score and limiting only to score=100 ? <recording ext:score="100"
      • 2012-02-08 03916, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Thad: no idea about that one :/
      • 2012-02-08 03924, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Must be a way
      • 2012-02-08 03935, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (or well, should)
      • 2012-02-08 03939, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But I don't know it
      • 2012-02-08 03932, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Hmm
      • 2012-02-08 03937, 2012

      • reosarevok
      • 2012-02-08 03904, 2012

      • reosarevok
        So maybe not
      • 2012-02-08 03947, 2012

      • Thad
        I understand what they are saying, but in the case of this double query, it would suffice perfectly.
      • 2012-02-08 03911, 2012

      • Thad
        reosarevok: so I will just use &limit=2 ...http://www.musicbrainz.org/ws/2/recording/?query=recording:%22home%22%20AND%20arid:c9584c27-f240-4f0e-8e82-3470111f24be&limit=2
      • 2012-02-08 03917, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Well, I don't know what you're trying to do exactly
      • 2012-02-08 03924, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But if that works for you, then it works for you!
      • 2012-02-08 03945, 2012

      • Thad
        reosarevok: it also doesn't appear that Lucene out-of-the-box has an "exact" operator....hmmm. In other words, do not show my recordings that "contain" the word "home", but instead the recording name is exactly titled "home".
      • 2012-02-08 03930, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Thad: we're getting out of my pretty small comfort zone with queries - I don't know too much about this
      • 2012-02-08 03937, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But if ijabz is here he probably can help
      • 2012-02-08 03941, 2012

      • reosarevok
        ijabz, you around?
      • 2012-02-08 03910, 2012

      • Thad
        I do not want "Coming Home" to be returned as a recording for Marc Broussard. reading Lucene docs now, but it must be some kind of advanced thing.
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      • Thad
        reosarevok: well, it does appear you can use boost to force a LOWER score against using a phrase, where the recording "Coming Home" was dropped from a score of 91 to 67 after using ^20 (boost 20) in my query after the recording name phrase: http://www.musicbrainz.org/ws/2/recording/?query=…
      • 2012-02-08 03947, 2012

      • hawke_
        Thad: what query returns 'coming home'?
      • 2012-02-08 03900, 2012

      • Thad
        hawke_: that one also.
      • 2012-02-08 03901, 2012

      • hawke_
        (for marc broussard)
      • 2012-02-08 03925, 2012

      • hawke_
        Thad: I don’t see 'coming home' in the results anywhere
      • 2012-02-08 03904, 2012

      • Thad
        index 15 in that XML output
      • 2012-02-08 03920, 2012

      • Thad
        (the 15th recording)
      • 2012-02-08 03905, 2012

      • Thad
        remove the ^20 and you will see the difference as well.
      • 2012-02-08 03911, 2012

      • hawke_
        For me that’s “Going Home”
      • 2012-02-08 03929, 2012

      • Thad
        err, Going Home.. sorry
      • 2012-02-08 03932, 2012

      • Thad
        righto
      • 2012-02-08 03933, 2012

      • hawke_
        Oh, OK. :-D
      • 2012-02-08 03913, 2012

      • Thad
        hawke_: Marc's a very..."homey" guy :)
      • 2012-02-08 03945, 2012

      • hawke_
        ijabz is really the best one to answer this stuff, I’m afraid.
      • 2012-02-08 03956, 2012

      • hawke_
        out of curiousity, why do you need an exact match only?