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      • CallerNo6 can't disagree with CatCat. That looks great.
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      • reosarevok
        CatCat: remember the images added in test won't be kept (so if you're using it for an edit note, it might go away before it passes)
      • 2012-03-20 08021, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But yeah, cool!
      • 2012-03-20 08001, 2012

      • reosarevok
        wtf, the track parser is still broken :(
      • 2012-03-20 08024, 2012

      • nikki
        hrglgrmpf: both is twice the work (both to implement and to maintain)
      • 2012-03-20 08049, 2012

      • hrglgrmpf
        true
      • 2012-03-20 08056, 2012

      • warp
        reosarevok: I just track parsed to release additions. so it certainly isn't entirely broken.
      • 2012-03-20 08000, 2012

      • warp
        s/to/two/
      • 2012-03-20 08002, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Sure
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      • hrglgrmpf
        but somehow I don't like the missing symmetry (ISRC <-> ISWC) :-(
      • 2012-03-20 08007, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Adds are all OK
      • 2012-03-20 08013, 2012

      • reosarevok
        hrglgrmpf: change ISRC :p
      • 2012-03-20 08020, 2012

      • nikki
        hrglgrmpf: well, I'd be more than happy to change isrcs :P
      • 2012-03-20 08032, 2012

      • hrglgrmpf is symmetry fetishist
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      • reosarevok
        warp: I was editing a release, and pasting new titles unset the artists
      • 2012-03-20 08045, 2012

      • hrglgrmpf
        hmm, I would be ok with that
      • 2012-03-20 08047, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Even though I hadn't told it to touch artists at all
      • 2012-03-20 08049, 2012

      • warp
        reosarevok: ah, and that is a regression?
      • 2012-03-20 08002, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Well, I hadn't tried it before, so I don't know
      • 2012-03-20 08006, 2012

      • reosarevok
        It's certainly unexpected
      • 2012-03-20 08000, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (if I haven't selected "parse track artists", I don't expect the parse to touch artists in any way)
      • 2012-03-20 08004, 2012

      • warp
        I think it always worked like that in NGS. that's the reason VA artists were always shown in the "basic" view on NGS release.
      • 2012-03-20 08002, 2012

      • warp
        (and I think for a while after the basic view was removed, because the track parser would show the current track listing when you opened it)
      • 2012-03-20 08008, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Do you agree that it isn't obvious that it's going to happen though? (apart from, in this case, annoying)
      • 2012-03-20 08035, 2012

      • reosarevok
        If it can't be changed, maybe we should try to indicate it somehow
      • 2012-03-20 08039, 2012

      • reosarevok
        :/
      • 2012-03-20 08043, 2012

      • warp
        I agree it is annoying and should be fixed. I don't agree it isn't obvious. the track parser parses whatever you give, if you don't give it artists it won't create tracks with artists.
      • 2012-03-20 08013, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Sure, but I'm not asking it to create new tracks
      • 2012-03-20 08017, 2012

      • nikki
        pre-ngs didn't touch artists
      • 2012-03-20 08018, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But to change the existing ones
      • 2012-03-20 08020, 2012

      • hawke_1
        Wow, I exceeded the rate limit. Whoops.
      • 2012-03-20 08032, 2012

      • reosarevok
        So if I don't ask it to parse artists, I don't expect it to change the existing artists
      • 2012-03-20 08029, 2012

      • hawke_1
        reosarevok: I would expect it to parse the entire tracklist as it’s given.
      • 2012-03-20 08042, 2012

      • reosarevok
        hawke_1: sure, the tracklist, yes
      • 2012-03-20 08051, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But if it didn't give me artists, why is it taking artists back?
      • 2012-03-20 08006, 2012

      • reosarevok
        I just copied a tracklist from the parser, removed bits of the titles and fed it back
      • 2012-03-20 08010, 2012

      • hawke_1
        “Parse track artists” to me means “this tracklist has no artists”
      • 2012-03-20 08017, 2012

      • hawke_1
        (having that unchecked, that is)
      • 2012-03-20 08035, 2012

      • hawke_1
        It would be preferable maybe, but I would expect it to do what it does.
      • 2012-03-20 08008, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Having that unchecked means "the tracklist I pasted has no artists", sure, that's why I expect the ones that are there to stay there
      • 2012-03-20 08010, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Dunno
      • 2012-03-20 08040, 2012

      • hawke_1
        Does it blow away the artist for single-artist releases too?
      • 2012-03-20 08059, 2012

      • hawke_1
        or is it something special about multi-artist releases?
      • 2012-03-20 08006, 2012

      • warp
        reosarevok: it parses the entire tracklist. so it hrows away whatever was there, then creates new tracks.
      • 2012-03-20 08027, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Hmm, I see
      • 2012-03-20 08037, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But if the title is unchanged, it keeps it like it was
      • 2012-03-20 08048, 2012

      • reosarevok
        So it doesn't really parse the *entire* tracklist
      • 2012-03-20 08049, 2012

      • warp
        hawke_1: it does, but you don't notice because the default track artist for single track release is that singel artist.
      • 2012-03-20 08001, 2012

      • hawke_1
        warp: Ah, so it doesn’t clear them but instead resets them to the album artist?
      • 2012-03-20 08022, 2012

      • warp
        hawke_1: yes. the album artist is always the default, unless it is various artists. I think :)
      • 2012-03-20 08027, 2012

      • hawke_1
        Ah, OK
      • 2012-03-20 08032, 2012

      • reosarevok
        If it's VA, it clears them
      • 2012-03-20 08016, 2012

      • warp
        reosarevok: anyway, what you're experiencing doesn't seem like a recently introduced regression, so please file a bug and we'll get to in due course ;)
      • 2012-03-20 08025, 2012

      • warp
        +it
      • 2012-03-20 08027, 2012

      • warp
        gar. lag.
      • 2012-03-20 08005, 2012

      • hawke_1
        Garlic?
      • 2012-03-20 08006, 2012

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      • derwin
        it burrrrns
      • 2012-03-20 08009, 2012

      • derwin
        the irc vampire is allergic to gar lag
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      • frewsxcv_
        is it possible to get parent labels of a given label in the API?
      • 2012-03-20 08024, 2012

      • nikki
        yes, inc=label-rels
      • 2012-03-20 08006, 2012

      • nikki
        e.g. http://musicbrainz.org/ws/2/label/6bb73458-6c5f-4… has one parent and two children
      • 2012-03-20 08013, 2012

      • frewsxcv_
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      • frewsxcv_
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      • frewsxcv_
        the parent doesn't seem to show up for XL
      • 2012-03-20 08054, 2012

      • nikki
        I see a section which has Beggars Banquet in it
      • 2012-03-20 08052, 2012

      • frewsxcv_
        oh, nevermind, i was confused. i assume the ones that have direction:backwards indicate parent
      • 2012-03-20 08051, 2012

      • nikki
        yes
      • 2012-03-20 08045, 2012

      • frewsxcv_
        thanks
      • 2012-03-20 08045, 2012

      • derwin
        wow.. record label donation
      • 2012-03-20 08050, 2012

      • derwin
        that's... awesome
      • 2012-03-20 08038, 2012

      • CallerNo6
        derwin: ?
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      • derwin
        mb blog mentions a donation rfom an anonymous record label
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      • CatCat
        Lager baluba til: Gustav Lorentzen ~ Du er hva du har spist (3:12) (fra På konsert med Gustav Lorentzen: Kanskje Kommer Kongen) (1995)
      • 2012-03-20 08002, 2012

      • CatCat
        denne rompa er GELE!
      • 2012-03-20 08011, 2012

      • CatCat
        med jordbærsmak,
      • 2012-03-20 08016, 2012

      • CatCat
        magen er steinhard
      • 2012-03-20 08024, 2012

      • CatCat
        men det disser masse bak!
      • 2012-03-20 08044, 2012

      • SultS
        how to credit a single person singing chorus?
      • 2012-03-20 08012, 2012

      • kepstin
        'performed chorus vocals'?
      • 2012-03-20 08017, 2012

      • kepstin
        what's the problem?
      • 2012-03-20 08040, 2012

      • SultS
        there’s only choir option, and afaik that’s plural
      • 2012-03-20 08046, 2012

      • kepstin
        oh, right.
      • 2012-03-20 08018, 2012

      • kepstin
        it should still work, just 'performed choir vocals' might sound a bit odd
      • 2012-03-20 08024, 2012

      • hawke_1
        “performed vocals” plus an annotation?
      • 2012-03-20 08037, 2012

      • hawke_1
        (Not sure what exactly chorus vocals would be as a single person actually)
      • 2012-03-20 08043, 2012

      • kepstin
        would be weird if you're crediting both a choir and an individual member of that choir tho
      • 2012-03-20 08011, 2012

      • hawke_1
        Anyone know how the duration of merged recordings is decided?
      • 2012-03-20 08033, 2012

      • SultS
        there is no choir, just a person that sings only chorus part
      • 2012-03-20 08054, 2012

      • kepstin
        SultS: is this a japanese release?
      • 2012-03-20 08002, 2012

      • kepstin
        if so, credit it as "background" vocals.
      • 2012-03-20 08004, 2012

      • SultS
        kepstin, no, estonian
      • 2012-03-20 08025, 2012

      • SultS
        and it’s not background for sure
      • 2012-03-20 08042, 2012

      • SultS
        i guess just “vocals” then
      • 2012-03-20 08046, 2012

      • SultS
        with annotation
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      • CallerNo6
        I think I've asked this before. is oldwiki dead? Or just moved?
      • 2012-03-20 08042, 2012

      • ruaok
        if oldwiki doesn't respond anymore, I'm guessing its dead.
      • 2012-03-20 08022, 2012

      • CallerNo6
        ruaok: 403
      • 2012-03-20 08036, 2012

      • CallerNo6
        thanks
      • 2012-03-20 08037, 2012

      • nikki
        I think djce turned it off
      • 2012-03-20 08000, 2012

      • CallerNo6
        I can understand that
      • 2012-03-20 08000, 2012

      • ruaok
        yeah, its been ages.
      • 2012-03-20 08010, 2012

      • nikki
        three years :P
      • 2012-03-20 08012, 2012

      • CallerNo6 was doing some archaeology
      • 2012-03-20 08043, 2012

      • CallerNo6
        early, primitive stone-knives-and-bear-skins CSG
      • 2012-03-20 08047, 2012

      • CallerNo6
        oh well
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      • CallerNo6
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      • hawke_1
        Hmm…
      • 2012-03-20 08046, 2012

      • hawke_1
        http://musicbrainz.org/recording/adf7134c-7653-4a… — Does anyone else see the fingerprints tab linking to a completely different recording?
      • 2012-03-20 08029, 2012

      • Mineo
        yes
      • 2012-03-20 08037, 2012

      • hawke_1
        That seems wrong.
      • 2012-03-20 08028, 2012

      • warp
        looks like the same recording to me.
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      • hawke_1
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      • CallerNo6
        all the tabs link to that mbid... but it seems to be identical
      • 2012-03-20 08012, 2012

      • hawke_1
        As I say, that seems wrong.
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      • warp
        it looks like a merged recording. so adf7134c-7653-4a58-8a8b-9e4c93cdf9e2 redirects to c0307d4d-be64-47e1-8c7f-389600270b61.
      • 2012-03-20 08037, 2012

      • kepstin
        so they're multiple mbids for the same track
      • 2012-03-20 08042, 2012

      • kepstin
        no problems there.
      • 2012-03-20 08049, 2012

      • kepstin
        same recording*
      • 2012-03-20 08051, 2012

      • hawke_1
        warp: if that’s the case, shouldn’t http://musicbrainz.org/recording/adf7134c-7653-4a… get redirected too?
      • 2012-03-20 08028, 2012

      • kepstin
        hawke_1: why? it's a perfectly valid mbid for that recording.
      • 2012-03-20 08043, 2012

      • kepstin
        (although it would be nicer on indexers if there was a redirect)
      • 2012-03-20 08056, 2012

      • kepstin
        indexers like having single canonical urls for things :)
      • 2012-03-20 08057, 2012

      • hawke_1
        If so, then all the tabs should go to that same valid MBID
      • 2012-03-20 08031, 2012

      • kepstin
        imo, we really should expose everything as having a single canonical mbid, with the alternate mbids as redirects/aliases.
      • 2012-03-20 08043, 2012

      • hawke_1
        I thought that’s what we did.
      • 2012-03-20 08052, 2012

      • hawke_1
        hence my surprise.
      • 2012-03-20 08011, 2012

      • CallerNo6
        I thought all mbids were equally "valid"
      • 2012-03-20 08017, 2012

      • nikki
        kepstin: that sounds awfully like the words which must be uttered :P
      • 2012-03-20 08021, 2012

      • nikki
        dammit
      • 2012-03-20 08022, 2012

      • nikki
        +not