Maybe it'd be better left as just a basic AR, rather than attribute, "miscredited"
2012-01-05 00509, 2012
CatCat
not to mention that it could be done that if some "x is mmiscredited to y link is in place, any y having a "x" added under it would return an error
2012-01-05 00532, 2012
hawke_1
CatCat: Is that “I saw it on a shitty discography site once” or “someone posted about it on twitter” or “it’s in the liner notes wrong”?
2012-01-05 00537, 2012
jesus2099
I can’t fix the conflict between paste-a-date and remember-dates because your script is using innerHTML ← this is what is bugging everything related to DOM manips
2012-01-05 00549, 2012
BrianFreud
you want that link, but you don't want to spam a work with lots of ARs saying someone *didn't* do something :P
2012-01-05 00558, 2012
hawke_1
BrianFreud: right, exactly.
2012-01-05 00501, 2012
CatCat
there have been releases that show both that, and a weird al songs wrong
2012-01-05 00510, 2012
CatCat
they were bootlegs.. but still
2012-01-05 00552, 2012
hawke_1
BrianFreud: The other problem is that that information doesn’t show up anywhere that it would help.
2012-01-05 00558, 2012
hawke_1
Probably the one place it would, would be in the comment
2012-01-05 00511, 2012
BrianFreud would be happy if no scripts directly used innerHTML... it tends to bork lots of things by virtue of how it works (and what it doesn't tell the DOM)
2012-01-05 00533, 2012
hawke_1
BrianFreud: it’d be interesting for there to be a comment for each alias
2012-01-05 00551, 2012
CatCat
hawke_: like in the case of rabbit join "all over the f* place"
2012-01-05 00558, 2012
BrianFreud
yeah; I find the current "locale" attrib for work aliases isn't really useful
2012-01-05 00517, 2012
hawke_1
BrianFreud: so for example if you searched for babylon and got a result of Belchezaar, it could tell you why.
2012-01-05 00526, 2012
CatCat
in the case of weird al (and the rabbit joint too actually) on an actual physicak bootleg release
2012-01-05 00536, 2012
CatCat
basically "overvelmingly so"
2012-01-05 00538, 2012
hawke_1
So you’d know it wasn’t just the shitty search engine finding something useless. ;-)
2012-01-05 00549, 2012
hawke_1
CatCat: I know, but that doesn’t help for when to use an AR.
luks is right when he says we center too much on edgeish cases
2012-01-05 00544, 2012
BrianFreud
well, each depends on what someone writes on a form, plus each standardizes differently - and sometimes people change titles.
2012-01-05 00551, 2012
CatCat
a norwegian equvalent woudl be idk ,"beatillene"?
2012-01-05 00512, 2012
CatCat
beatene
2012-01-05 00521, 2012
CatCat
wich makes no sence
2012-01-05 00530, 2012
CatCat
ther is a point with word and phonetic puns
2012-01-05 00550, 2012
CatCat
it's definitly a english word
2012-01-05 00528, 2012
CatCat
brb food refill
2012-01-05 00531, 2012
reosarevok is starving
2012-01-05 00533, 2012
reosarevok
heh, yeah
2012-01-05 00515, 2012
BrianFreud
SESAC drops all punctuation, ASCAP tends to drop "The"/"A" and spell out or drop punctuation ("#" -> "NO"), copyrighted titles can/do get changed by the filers, works get originally recorded in studio under temporary titles, etc. :)
2012-01-05 00519, 2012
CallerNo6
voiceinsideyou: thanks. maybe I should start a forum thread just to brainstorm all the existing credits people have seen.
2012-01-05 00550, 2012
BrianFreud
CallerNo6, wasn't there a wiki page for that a while back?
2012-01-05 00503, 2012
BrianFreud
the SubOptimal Credits page, plus those annotation notes?
2012-01-05 00521, 2012
reosarevok
BrianFreud: I think he means more the variations on it
2012-01-05 00525, 2012
reosarevok
Rather than every single credit
2012-01-05 00552, 2012
BrianFreud
reosarevok, I think that's because non-edge cases don't tend to need more than we already handle
2012-01-05 00502, 2012
CallerNo6 guesses that BrianFreud is right and goes off to find it
2012-01-05 00554, 2012
nikki is late to the conversation but thinks the problem with the locale stuff is that language, country and script can be used separately or combined but we stuck them into a single field
2012-01-05 00520, 2012
reosarevok
BrianFreud: maybe, but they're still in their majority not in MB :p
2012-01-05 00530, 2012
BrianFreud
lol, also quite true
2012-01-05 00511, 2012
reosarevok
luks' point is "let's make MB as complete as we can with non-edge stuff before getting stuck in it"
2012-01-05 00523, 2012
reosarevok
(not necessarily "let's forget it exists completely")
2012-01-05 00549, 2012
BrianFreud
well, again, I thought that was the point of SOC annotation notes
2012-01-05 00557, 2012
reosarevok
Yeah, that it is
2012-01-05 00559, 2012
reosarevok
:)
2012-01-05 00527, 2012
reosarevok
But what I mean is "if MB just isn't able to do X at all, skip stuff that needs X for now and go on"
2012-01-05 00528, 2012
luks is tempted to read the discussion
2012-01-05 00548, 2012
reosarevok
(which is basically the SOC spirit, but more in general)
2012-01-05 00558, 2012
reosarevok
I mean, there's enough work for years in Mozart + Beethoven + JSB to last someone years
2012-01-05 00504, 2012
BrianFreud
reosarevok, while I am sometimes tempted to agree, I also have to ask the reverse question...
2012-01-05 00505, 2012
reosarevok
(well, a month or so, if it is BrianFreud)
2012-01-05 00529, 2012
reosarevok
s/for years//
2012-01-05 00531, 2012
BrianFreud
when is MB considered "done" enough that you do then go back and try to address some of that stuff?
2012-01-05 00548, 2012
BrianFreud
there's SO much not in MB that we could likely work for decades and not get to that point.
2012-01-05 00553, 2012
reosarevok
I would look at it in other way
2012-01-05 00508, 2012
reosarevok
"When is the edge case common enough that it stops being a real edge case?"
2012-01-05 00516, 2012
BrianFreud
lol, even if we had just stuck to "artist/release", and never gone to label, etc.
2012-01-05 00534, 2012
reosarevok
(that's how you can easily differentiate "worth taking a look at already" from "meh, whatever")
2012-01-05 00533, 2012
reosarevok
That's also the spirit of the instrument list, for example
2012-01-05 00554, 2012
reosarevok
"Ok, this thing seems to be needed often enough for us to go and add it"
2012-01-05 00512, 2012
BrianFreud
there is a flip side consideration, though; beyond the basic artist/release entry, people have different interests. What some might be interested in focusing on may bore others; the more bits of data you can handle, the broader the scope of things that might catch someone's interest, and thus increase the editor pool.
2012-01-05 00514, 2012
reosarevok
Of course, the number of uses there can be low, because it's not that hard to add it
2012-01-05 00521, 2012
reosarevok
Certainly
2012-01-05 00541, 2012
reosarevok
:)
2012-01-05 00509, 2012
reosarevok
If someone comes up with a good solution for an edge case, it's likely to get in
2012-01-05 00521, 2012
reosarevok
As long as it doesn't disrupt anything else
2012-01-05 00503, 2012
BrianFreud
theoretically, at least :P
2012-01-05 00508, 2012
reosarevok
theoretically at least :p
2012-01-05 00530, 2012
reosarevok
(speaking of which, I should look at that conductor rel)
2012-01-05 00537, 2012
BrianFreud
hehe
2012-01-05 00550, 2012
reosarevok
All this reminds me: luks, did you look any longer at the idea of importing releases?
2012-01-05 00545, 2012
luks
it's still in the phase of contemplating, not actually working on it :)
2012-01-05 00511, 2012
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2012-01-05 00520, 2012
rochusw
hello
2012-01-05 00523, 2012
luks
but all current or future lukz_bot edits are aimed at that
2012-01-05 00526, 2012
reosarevok
nikki is now in the working on it phase
2012-01-05 00535, 2012
reosarevok
(admittedly for a very specific use case)
2012-01-05 00552, 2012
reosarevok
hi rochusw!
2012-01-05 00525, 2012
luks
reosarevok: as with everything, I want to automatically import the most useful releases first :)
2012-01-05 00543, 2012
luks
not a single catalog that very few people will use
2012-01-05 00549, 2012
luks
which makes it kind of hard :)
2012-01-05 00553, 2012
reosarevok
Yeah
2012-01-05 00506, 2012
reosarevok
Although I'd argue "a single catalog" beats nothing
i have found useful track titles for http://musicbrainz.org/release/3c05f23c-8aff-4189… (useful means, not "Sequence 123") but they are not the originl titles ( which ARE sequence...) - what should i do? create a pseudo release?
2012-01-05 00506, 2012
reosarevok
MBChatLogger, off
2012-01-05 00506, 2012
MBChatLogger
is not logging
2012-01-05 00554, 2012
MBChatLogger
is logging
2012-01-05 00503, 2012
jesus2099
I fear mistakes, many mistakes are in discogs imo and many in wikipedia … they are often copy pasted between each other, making cross checking inneffective
2012-01-05 00528, 2012
BrianFreud
that's true of manually entered stuff too though
2012-01-05 00541, 2012
jesus2099
less mistakes when it comes from manual info from CD imo
2012-01-05 00545, 2012
luks
if it's wrong everywhere, at least we won't be any worse :)
2012-01-05 00501, 2012
jesus2099
BrianFreud: ah you mean manual from crap sites ?
2012-01-05 00503, 2012
luks
and it's easier to fix a typo then add completely new release
2012-01-05 00506, 2012
jesus2099
then yes :
2012-01-05 00525, 2012
jesus2099
luks: I input new release faster than fixing wrong release as far as I’m concerned
