CallerNo6: Nonsensical, titles are already displayed like that.
2012-01-11 01131, 2012
reosarevok
The more language-specific the better IMO - the easier to translate later
2012-01-11 01157, 2012
hawke_
We already do stuff like “ (Los Angeles Philharmonic feat. conductor: Esa-Pekka Salonen) ”
2012-01-11 01101, 2012
reosarevok
gioele, I think it's correct
2012-01-11 01111, 2012
reosarevok
But I'm not good at typography
2012-01-11 01130, 2012
hawke_
gioele: Yes, it’s correct.
2012-01-11 01148, 2012
hawke_
gioele: “This is the preferred character to use for apostrophe according to the Unicode standard.”
2012-01-11 01101, 2012
reosarevok
hawke_ / CallerNo6: the idea has some sense, it just directly contradicts our current UI
2012-01-11 01125, 2012
reosarevok
You might argue the UI needs to change, I wouldn't argue the opposite. But when? Who knows :p
2012-01-11 01136, 2012
gioele
hawke_: let's ignore that, let's talk about our guidelines: Style/Miscellaneous says «Use of basic ASCII punctuation characters such as ' and " is allowed, but typographically-correct punctuation is preferred.»
2012-01-11 01137, 2012
hawke_
reosarevok: It does? I mean, yes it’s a pain to re-AC recordings, but otherwise it’s OK
2012-01-11 01150, 2012
hawke_
It’s also a pain to re-duration recordings
2012-01-11 01154, 2012
reosarevok
gioele: exactly, it is allowed
2012-01-11 01156, 2012
hawke_
and re-title recordings
2012-01-11 01101, 2012
gioele
but what about going through the db and changing all the apostrophes?
2012-01-11 01101, 2012
reosarevok
:p
2012-01-11 01120, 2012
reosarevok
Well, it turns them from allowed to preferred, doesn't it?
2012-01-11 01139, 2012
reosarevok
hawke_, that's mostly my point :p
2012-01-11 01154, 2012
reosarevok
(also, re-duration and re-title as part of the change tracks process is now in beta)
2012-01-11 01110, 2012
reosarevok
(re-duration and re-title as *different* from the tracks is still a pain)
2012-01-11 01118, 2012
gioele
my idea was that until "Guess case" changed them, it still was preferred to keep ASCII apostrophes as they are
2012-01-11 01134, 2012
hawke_
reosarevok: How does re-duration work in beta?
2012-01-11 01139, 2012
reosarevok
gioele, I'd argue that contradicts what you just copied
2012-01-11 01140, 2012
reosarevok
:p
2012-01-11 01146, 2012
hawke_
gioele: the problem is that “guess case” can’t guess them
2012-01-11 01148, 2012
drsaunde joined the channel
2012-01-11 01102, 2012
reosarevok says this as a person who happily enters ' and " because he sucks at typography
2012-01-11 01105, 2012
gioele
(do not get me wrong, I'm happy about typographical apostrophes, it is just that I do not want to see inconsistencies around)
CallerNo6, CSG for newbies: "enter a reasonably decent title, enter whatever you want as an artist, enter all the right relationships. someone will clean it up at some point" :p
2012-01-11 01150, 2012
hawke_
reosarevok: +1
2012-01-11 01120, 2012
reosarevok
Too many people care too much about a) and b) and too little about c)
2012-01-11 01121, 2012
CallerNo6
well, sure, but that puts the bar a lot higher than entering a non-classical release.
2012-01-11 01123, 2012
reosarevok
which is more useful
2012-01-11 01140, 2012
reosarevok
CallerNo6, so does everything else
2012-01-11 01159, 2012
reosarevok
It only does so as in you needing to know some rules
2012-01-11 01104, 2012
reosarevok
derwin, a pox on catalog changers
2012-01-11 01110, 2012
reosarevok
:p
2012-01-11 01111, 2012
derwin
god.
2012-01-11 01130, 2012
derwin
at least I haven't imported most of it from discogs yet...
2012-01-11 01145, 2012
CallerNo6
I'm wondering if it'd be enough to suggest, "enter performers and dates in the annotation and somebody will fix it who knows how to do Recordings and ACs and all the rest"
2012-01-11 01158, 2012
reosarevok
derwin, it raises the question "if they were released like that and now they changed like this, what is right" :P
2012-01-11 01106, 2012
reosarevok
(which might very well be "both")
2012-01-11 01128, 2012
reosarevok
CallerNo6, that only works if we stick to composer as artist :p
2012-01-11 01149, 2012
reosarevok
(ok, not *only* but more likely)
2012-01-11 01106, 2012
derwin
I think, sadly, reosarevok may be right that "both" is right :/
2012-01-11 01112, 2012
derwin
ugh
2012-01-11 01128, 2012
CallerNo6
reosarevok: okay, well, copy-n-paste "everything" to the annotation and somebody will fix it?
2012-01-11 01146, 2012
nikki
gioele: difficulty entering them is half the reason people are allowed to enter the ascii versions, the unicode ones are still preferred though if someone wants to enter them so the edit is still correct
2012-01-11 01149, 2012
reosarevok
CallerNo6, not my point
2012-01-11 01124, 2012
reosarevok
My point is people are much more likely to know wtf they're doing when dealing with their subscriptions for *composers*
2012-01-11 01127, 2012
reosarevok
(or at most labels)
2012-01-11 01140, 2012
CallerNo6
true
2012-01-11 01144, 2012
nikki
murdos: sorry, I got distracted and forgot :(
2012-01-11 01152, 2012
nikki places a big note next to the computer
2012-01-11 01105, 2012
reosarevok
(and of course that a release full of "Sonata for Viola"s is hard as hell to identify)
2012-01-11 01121, 2012
reosarevok
(without composers, that is)
2012-01-11 01138, 2012
gioele
derwin: "# Work in progress albums from here onwards have the temporary ID, “BKBM0000″ when they are added to the coming soon section. They will then later be given an ID." this smells problems for MBz :)
2012-01-11 01144, 2012
reosarevok
Easy if it happens to be naxos, or chandos, or... etc
2012-01-11 01155, 2012
reosarevok
But not if it is [Random Small Label X]
2012-01-11 01139, 2012
reosarevok
gioele, not more than actually changing the cat#s for all the current releases does :/
2012-01-11 01147, 2012
reosarevok
Srsly, why do people do that? :(
2012-01-11 01153, 2012
CallerNo6
well, okay, CSG4Beginners: "add the discid, scan all materials and add to cover archive, file under composer"?
2012-01-11 01101, 2012
derwin
dunno :/ it's sorta superfluous
2012-01-11 01114, 2012
hawke_
CallerNo6: “scan” → infeasible
2012-01-11 01118, 2012
hawke_
most people don’t have scanners
2012-01-11 01107, 2012
VxJasonxV
I have a printer/scanner multi-function, that has not been plugged in in 3 years.
2012-01-11 01133, 2012
VxJasonxV
I've even printed things in that 3 year time-span.
2012-01-11 01139, 2012
VxJasonxV
Bring a dime to my local copy shop :)
2012-01-11 01144, 2012
gioele
hawke_: photo upload, many people have a phone with a camera
2012-01-11 01159, 2012
reosarevok
CallerNo6, ideally, that
2012-01-11 01100, 2012
reosarevok
Yes
2012-01-11 01118, 2012
ianmcorvidae
anyway, "upload scans of everything to CAA (if you can)" at the very least
2012-01-11 01122, 2012
reosarevok
"Read the rules and follow them. If you're not willing to, scan everything"
2012-01-11 01135, 2012
reosarevok
"We recommend viewing this site with Internet Explorer 4.0 at a resolution of 800*600."
2012-01-11 01136, 2012
ianmcorvidae
"If you can, scan everything anyway" :P
2012-01-11 01137, 2012
reosarevok
YES
2012-01-11 01150, 2012
reosarevok
(also YES to ianmcorvidae)
2012-01-11 01156, 2012
hawke_
I’m not sure that this matters though anyway
2012-01-11 01104, 2012
hawke_
It’s a problem with CSG, not a problem with noobs entering stuff wrong
I guess that kinda illustrates the problem even more :p
2012-01-11 01107, 2012
hawke_
reosarevok: It does.
2012-01-11 01109, 2012
ianmcorvidae
whereas a non-classical release usually has a unified entity to credit to (there's no "The Beatles" for classical, you'd have to decide whether to credit it to the four performers or to the writers or what)
