From descriptions of two of Jonathan Coulton’s songs: “That audio was actually part of a documentary that someone that I know was working on” and “I just found some audio on the internet from an old Kentucky Fried Chicken training video”
2012-01-19 01956, 2012
reosarevok
As I said, "the rest" :p
2012-01-19 01939, 2012
hawke_
But you do think that the act of arranging those sampled words is enough for “lyricist”
2012-01-19 01940, 2012
hawke_
?
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reosarevok
That's why I said "who's to be credited for the lyrics is a funnier issue"
2012-01-19 01907, 2012
reosarevok
I have absolutely no idea :(
2012-01-19 01928, 2012
SultS
seems like a stretch…
2012-01-19 01938, 2012
reosarevok
Yeah
2012-01-19 01943, 2012
kepstin
if lyricist is the person who decides which words are in the song in what order...
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reosarevok
Yeah too
2012-01-19 01957, 2012
reosarevok
And that's why it's funny! :)
2012-01-19 01934, 2012
reosarevok
He didn't write the lines, but he made them into the song's lyrics
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hawke_
I would kind of question whether they’re lyrics per se at all
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reosarevok
Well, I don't know this case
2012-01-19 01949, 2012
reosarevok
I'm more speaking in general
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hawke_
Nod
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reosarevok laughs
2012-01-19 01908, 2012
reosarevok is reading Spanish policemen in one of the forums where they usually talk
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reosarevok
all saying "but how will I watch series now"
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reosarevok
(they don't have any options for paid streaming there FWIW)
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reosarevok
bitmap, hi!
2012-01-19 01903, 2012
reosarevok
One thing
2012-01-19 01910, 2012
reosarevok
If an artist has zero works
2012-01-19 01922, 2012
reosarevok
The script keeps the "looking for works" orange text for all
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bitmap
ah yeah I saw that too
2012-01-19 01939, 2012
reosarevok
It's not a big problem in itself, of course (although it looks funny)
2012-01-19 01955, 2012
reosarevok
I mostly worry about whether it's repeatedly querying MB or something
2012-01-19 01922, 2012
bitmap
no, it's not, thankfully :)
2012-01-19 01931, 2012
reosarevok
Oh, cool :)
2012-01-19 01943, 2012
reosarevok
(not that the artists stay with 0 works for long ;) )
2012-01-19 01903, 2012
bitmap
it's fixed now
2012-01-19 01906, 2012
reosarevok
:)
2012-01-19 01939, 2012
hawke_
bitmap: Is there any reason that the “relate checked recordings to” script doesn’t do inline search and requires an MBID?
2012-01-19 01913, 2012
bitmap
'cause I never got around to implementing that, I guess :P
2012-01-19 01932, 2012
hawke_
Oh, OK. :-)
2012-01-19 01931, 2012
bitmap
when MBID lookups become built into the autocomplete things soon, I'll just switch it to use those
2012-01-19 01944, 2012
hawke_
Reasonable. I thought maybe you just didn’t like the idea of searching since it can give less-than-useful results (basically the same reason you did a 'link to recording by MBID' script for the release editor)
2012-01-19 01950, 2012
bitmap
yeah, I don't really find the current inline search useful in a lot of cases so that was part of it
2012-01-19 01926, 2012
hawke_
It’s somewhat useless for recordings, but much better for works and artists.
2012-01-19 01931, 2012
hawke_
IMO anyway
2012-01-19 01928, 2012
bitmap
there's too many generically-titled works in rock/pop music I guess
2012-01-19 01948, 2012
hawke_
There are a lot, but they should (heh) have a lot of disambiguation comments
2012-01-19 01915, 2012
hawke_
or composer/lyricist/performers, as the regular 'relate to..." search does
2012-01-19 01932, 2012
hawke_
I wish that script worked on the recording search pages though
2012-01-19 01934, 2012
hawke_
that would be awesome
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bitmap
I was working on that but it got kinda impossible to test because the search page HTML was different on the test server vs. live server
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bitmap
so I had to add a bunch of conditionals
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hawke_
ick
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bitmap
then I got tired and just scrapped everything :P
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hawke_
Is it any better now that we have beta maybe?
2012-01-19 01931, 2012
bitmap
not sure
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hawke_
Anyone know why the works page seems to list (composer, lyricist) and sometimes (lyricist, composer)?
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SultS
hawke_, I think it’s the adding order that makes the difference… at least that seems to be the reason
2012-01-19 01931, 2012
reosarevok
I'm not too sure if there's a reason at all
2012-01-19 01935, 2012
hawke_
There’s obviously a reason, or it wouldn’t happen that way. :-)
2012-01-19 01944, 2012
hawke_
I would assume it’s the adding order too
2012-01-19 01955, 2012
hawke_
but I’m surprised that a script would not be consistent in the adding order
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reosarevok
Well
2012-01-19 01937, 2012
reosarevok
It probably is
2012-01-19 01938, 2012
hawke_
Anyone have an opinion on how to composer/lyricist mashups? Or should they not be new works at all?
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SultS
in my case where I noticed it there were some credits already there
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reosarevok
But if one of the relationships can't be added at first
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reosarevok
(because it gets throttled)
2012-01-19 01907, 2012
reosarevok
It will add it later
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reosarevok
So that might cause it
2012-01-19 01916, 2012
hawke_
Could be.
2012-01-19 01902, 2012
SultS
hawke_, I think partial performance of each work should be enough
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reosarevok has avoided mashups
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hawke_
So, no new work?
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reosarevok
I don't know
2012-01-19 01923, 2012
reosarevok
I'd say it's a distinct work
2012-01-19 01926, 2012
hawke_
me too.
2012-01-19 01930, 2012
reosarevok
But it's quite in the limit
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hawke_
at least in many (most? cases)
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SultS
well I would just compare them with dj mixed songs, and I wouldn’t new works there, though they usually contain some other song there as well… obviously not that big part of it
2012-01-19 01949, 2012
reosarevok
The concept is different though
2012-01-19 01955, 2012
reosarevok
Like, the idea behind it
2012-01-19 01929, 2012
reosarevok
I might add a work, relate it as a derivative of both originals and add no relationships to the actual mashup work
2012-01-19 01940, 2012
reosarevok
But as I said, I am avoiding them not to have to think too much about it :p
2012-01-19 01953, 2012
hawke_
lol
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SultS
why not add relationship to the mashup work, if you already have created it?
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hawke_
SultS: indeed. The question is, what relationship?
2012-01-19 01900, 2012
hawke_
Does it have a composer/lyricist?
2012-01-19 01912, 2012
hawke_
Are the composer/lyricist all the people who made the original works?
2012-01-19 01920, 2012
hawke_
Or is it the mashup artist?
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SultS
that’s proably on individual basis (and not always that easy to determine)
2012-01-19 01926, 2012
reosarevok
So, exactly for that reason :)
2012-01-19 01937, 2012
SultS
I would use original works people definetly, only for the part they created, if possible/known
2012-01-19 01944, 2012
hawke_
I wonder if we need some kind of 'remixer' artist-work AR.
hawke_: I have an album of mega-mixes which contain probably 150 original tracks per 10-12 minute track..
2012-01-19 01922, 2012
derwin
want to add to EHM BEE DOT OHRG
2012-01-19 01923, 2012
derwin
?
2012-01-19 01956, 2012
hawke_
derwin: Not any time soon. :-)
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SultS
would using arranger credit be incorrect for Coulton? I’ve never used it myself…
2012-01-19 01953, 2012
hawke_
Hmm, could be.
2012-01-19 01902, 2012
hawke_
I’ve used it mostly on recordings
2012-01-19 01921, 2012
hawke_
What’s the consensus on stereo vs. mono recordings? Same? separate?
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hawke_
“While preparing this CD for release, Jonathan discovered that all previous releases of Code Monkey had been accidentally exported in mono. This album features the first stereo mix of the song.”
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SultS
is there a consensus? I’d probably prefer separate
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kovacsur
separate
2012-01-19 01909, 2012
kovacsur
(that's my opinion, not a consensus)
2012-01-19 01907, 2012
hawke_
I kind of like the idea of separate, but I don’t see it working out very well in general just because it’s often hard to figure out which is which
2012-01-19 01903, 2012
SultS
I guess it’s close to same amount of hard than finding out different masters in general.
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kovacsur
I'd say it's actually easier, since as long as you have access to the recording, you will be able to determine whether it's stereo or mono
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kovacsur
you need access to at least two recordings to find out whether one is a remaster of the other
2012-01-19 01912, 2012
hawke_
kovacsur: Depends, some fake-stereo stuff I think is not as easy to detect
2012-01-19 01905, 2012
reosarevok
Heh, it's kinda funny
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reosarevok
"megaupload" is trending basically everywhere in twitter except in the UK and US
