warp: another suggestion, I think also from kepstin a while ago, was to make some of our current ?inc parameters no-ops -- i.e., include what they would have included in the base request, to decrease the (huge) number of unique WS urls we currently support
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ianmcorvidae
which would possibly also be helpful here
2012-04-12 10331, 2012
CatCat
FUCKS
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CatCat
protip: check before tasting food
2012-04-12 10354, 2012
CatCat
I foubnd shards of GLASS in it.. fuck
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warp
ianmcorvidae: that is certainly an option, though I'm not sure what benefit that would give us in itself.
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CatCat
not ever am i using glass lids any more
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CatCat
jesus man
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ianmcorvidae
warp: well, this was as part of a conversation on last-modified
2012-04-12 10327, 2012
warp
right
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ianmcorvidae
which at the moment our best idea is "manually keep track of every possible URL"
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CatCat
:::::::::
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ianmcorvidae
but if we have a set of ?inc arguments that are "default" in some sense, for the editable WS
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ianmcorvidae
making those actually default might not be a terrible idea
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CatCat
uh guys?
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warp
ianmcorvidae: yeah
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CatCat
I am kinda freaking out here
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warp
CatCat: did you eat glass?
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CatCat
warp: ALMOST!
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CatCat
it scared the fukc outa me :c
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warp
CatCat: good, then you don't have to go to a doctor and such :)
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CatCat
thing is......
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CatCat
i ate soem and cewed it and it was really hard like chewing sand.. but i seem find
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CatCat
:///
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reoafk
You'll be OK, but yeah
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CatCat
my mouth isn't bleeding so i guess it's ok
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reoafk
Change to plastic lids :)
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CatCat
yea, just really scared me
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CatCat
reoafk: or metalic, fuck yes
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CatCat
i am seriously doing that
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CatCat
jesus
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CatCat
.. thanks guys, sorry to interupt your convo about like.. ulrs and stuff
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ianmcorvidae
haha
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CatCat
:)
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warp
:)
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ianmcorvidae
warp: I think plaintext's project will also help in this regard, e.g. we can figure out what inc parameters people actually use
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ianmcorvidae
if 80% of our requests to a given endpoint all include some set, well, may as well make those default :)
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warp
ianmcorvidae: I expect a few popular combinations and a long tail which does include all other permutations.
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nikki was hoping the editable ws wouldn't involve submitting the whole entity
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warp
nikki: I'm open to other suggestions.
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ruaok
ianmcorvidae: great idea.
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ruaok
once that project gets going we're going to ask for suggestions for which pieces of data we should mine.
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ianmcorvidae
well, there's one :)
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ruaok
please suggest that when the time comes, ianmcorvidae
any typos or suggestions for what to add would be appreciated.
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CatCat
wow I'm not even in the top 24 of editors or voters.. FAIL no my part
2012-04-12 10306, 2012
CatCat must try harder
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CatCat
alos..
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CatCat
WTF is this" drsaunde is dethroned!!!
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CatCat
by.. reoafk !!!!!
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CatCat
woa
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CatCat
salutations reosarevok!
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kepstin-laptop
ruaok: I think you're missing a few 'per million's in the cost per hit section
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kepstin-laptop doubts that you spent $8.01 per web hit.
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ruaok
kepstin-laptop: thx. will go hunt that down.
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ruaok
kepstin-laptop: fixed and transcluded
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hawke_1
warp: Would it be possible to just submit the changed portions of the entity, or the changes themselves?
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ianmcorvidae
hawke_1: the problem there is dealing with deletions
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nikki
hawke_1: heh, that's basically what I wanted
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ianmcorvidae
there isn't really a great system for XML diffs, unless you know of one :P
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nikki
for deleting an attribute I'd expect an empty string (e.g. <artist><begin-date></begin-date></artist> or whatever the xml is) I guess for deleting whole entities I'd just have an extra section listing things to delete
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hawke_1
ianmcorvidae: I kind of wonder if it’s that great an idea to be truly deleting things anyway — it’s potentially a lot of history lost that way.
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ianmcorvidae
hawke_1: it'd be for entering "remove" edits
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CatCat
all delte edits should stay open until votedon imho
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ianmcorvidae
the history's still there, unless we're talking whole entities
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CatCat
also merges
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CatCat
adds and such aren't so important
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CatCat
well i mean, as potnetial wreckers of data
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hawke_1
ianmcorvidae: Right, I’m talking about whole entities. For deletions you could just submit the portion you want to delete, as nikki described
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hawke_1
(presumably <artist><begin-date /></artist> would also work)
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CatCat is oww, don't freak out if i am logged of loads tomorrow, as I have to shut down so that fire-inspectors don't freak out about computers beign on :P
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CatCat
off not oww
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CatCat
anyway, natta
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hawke_1
You can’t have computers on?
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hawke_1
How do you use them?
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CatCat
i mean ,on whiel I am not there
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hawke_1
ah
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CatCat
:D
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warp
hawke_1: I can't think of a good way to describe _just_ changes in xml
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warp
hawke_1: I can see a fair amount of issues with having to submit entire entities in PUT requests, so I'm not entirely opposed to submitting just changes.
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hawke_1
warp: If an element is not included then it’s not changed; if it’s cleared, then it’s a deletion; if it’s included with a value, then it’s updating that value. Or am I missing something vital?
hawke_1: you're not able to describe changes to a list in that way
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warp
hawke_1: and changes to elements where the difference between the element being present or not is significant (i.e. the difference between "" and NULL in the database).
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reoafk
navap: I for one like to be able to know what entities I've already visited without needing to highlight each track...
2012-04-12 10353, 2012
reoafk wonders if you should give a shot at the "read-only" MB, since we are interested on that and I kinda feel you'd be too (this would fit there quite OK for example)
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reoafk
Although even for that it feels a bit like "suddenly a giraffe"
navap: yeah, I don't like the black pre-hover; why not some sort of background/shadow/etc. change instead, that's pretty standard?
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Shepard always imagines david attenborough saying that "suddenly a giraffe" bit
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navap
My goal was to mute the amout of blue links in the tracklist
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ianmcorvidae
navap: why?
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reoafk
navap: but we're a relational database! relationships are awesome! D:
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ianmcorvidae
also, looks like visited links still show up purple, so you get a weird double state (looks like a link when it's visited, but doesn't otherwise unless you hover)
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navap
I added those purple things in just now for reoafk
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navap takes them back out
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ianmcorvidae
I think the black is the problem, not the purple
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nikki thinks the relationships in the tracklist are the problem :P
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reoafk
I really don't see the problem with showing the links
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ianmcorvidae
now you can't see visited links at all
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reoafk
I'm fine with being able to move them to the bottom of the release for weird people like nikki who like it that way
2012-04-12 10338, 2012
reoafk
But still, showing them
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navap
I've gotten so used to not being able to tell visited links from normal links that not seeing purple doesn't bother me
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ianmcorvidae
I've always been able to tell apart our visited/unvisited links :P
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reoafk was able before and is (more easily) now
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nikki
navap: we've already established that your monitor is screwed up :P
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navap
heh, well I assure you I can tell the difference now that they're purple
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nikki could distinguish them before too, although it's definitely easier now
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navap deletes the branch
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warp
are you ever not allowed to vote or post edit notes?
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warp
(as a logged-in editor)
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nikki
yes
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navap
You can't vote on your own edits, unless you're approving your own
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hawke_1
navap: Oh, was that fixed?
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nikki
you can't vote or add notes to other people's edits if you're a limited user
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warp
ah, right.
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nikki
VxJasonxV: btw I was kinda hoping you'd fix that artist :P
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warp
thanks.
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navap
hawke_1: uh, I don't know about the bug, I was more talking about what /should/ be
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hawke_1
warp: Hmm, there appear to be several “XML data manipulation languages” floating around out there. Maybe one of them would be a good candidate?
