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      • hawke_1
        I certainly am up for it
      • 2012-04-27 11835, 2012

      • hawke_1
        reosarevok: Any way you can get it to see the “BWV Anh ###” properly?
      • 2012-04-27 11854, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Not without further tinkering - it's nikki's
      • 2012-04-27 11809, 2012

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      • hawke_1
        k
      • 2012-04-27 11840, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop is impressed with nikki's web design skills on her homepage: http://lmfao.org.uk/
      • 2012-04-27 11816, 2012

      • hawke_1 wonders how to indicates ones that are fixed.
      • 2012-04-27 11850, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        tag them?
      • 2012-04-27 11818, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        (but don't use a silly tag name like 'fixed' ;)
      • 2012-04-27 11839, 2012

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      • hawke_1
        kepstin-laptop: Would rather not do something that will stick around a long time
      • 2012-04-27 11849, 2012

      • reosarevok
        hawke_1: If there's a parent work + no obvious duplicates, it will look fixed...
      • 2012-04-27 11811, 2012

      • hawke_1
        reosarevok: I’m mostly thinking about if several of us are working on it…
      • 2012-04-27 11822, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Yeah...
      • 2012-04-27 11829, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        wiki page?
      • 2012-04-27 11850, 2012

      • reosarevok
        nikki, can we convince you to add a two-state switch? :p
      • 2012-04-27 11810, 2012

      • reosarevok fixes some Pictures at an Exhibition
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      • hawke_1 stares suspiciously at BWV 54
      • 2012-04-27 11820, 2012

      • reosarevok
        heh
      • 2012-04-27 11810, 2012

      • reosarevok
      • 2012-04-27 11821, 2012

      • reosarevok
        "
      • 2012-04-27 11823, 2012

      • hawke_1
        Indeed.
      • 2012-04-27 11828, 2012

      • hawke_1
        I have seen this before
      • 2012-04-27 11832, 2012

      • hawke_1
        and indeed worked on this release
      • 2012-04-27 11855, 2012

      • reosarevok
        So, it exists, but the work probably should say *from* BWV 54
      • 2012-04-27 11804, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (except that I have no idea how to say that in German)
      • 2012-04-27 11858, 2012

      • hawke_1
        It’s an arrangement
      • 2012-04-27 11829, 2012

      • hawke_1
        “Arrangements by xxx of movements from cantatas by JS Bach”
      • 2012-04-27 11807, 2012

      • hawke_1
      • 2012-04-27 11850, 2012

      • reosarevok
        So either a new work with that credit, or just on recording
      • 2012-04-27 11858, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (well, not a new work since the work is there)
      • 2012-04-27 11812, 2012

      • reosarevok merges promenades
      • 2012-04-27 11838, 2012

      • Mineo
        hawke_1: you did see the decca logo on that cover, right? no need to look at those small covers on amazon :)
      • 2012-04-27 11854, 2012

      • hawke_1
        Mineo: I know. Like I said, I worked on it before and remember it
      • 2012-04-27 11859, 2012

      • CallerNo6
        I still tend to believe that an arrangement has to prove it's workness.
      • 2012-04-27 11802, 2012

      • hawke_1
        I just wish we had a better way to deal with derivative works
      • 2012-04-27 11824, 2012

      • hawke_1
        e.g. hide them from the original composer’s works list, possibly as an expansion of the original work
      • 2012-04-27 11815, 2012

      • reosarevok would still like an extra "arrangement" level :p
      • 2012-04-27 11812, 2012

      • hawke_1
        And I would like an extra “master” level…but we both have to actually *use* this database
      • 2012-04-27 11825, 2012

      • CallerNo6 chuckles
      • 2012-04-27 11838, 2012

      • hawke_1
        This report is really nice though
      • 2012-04-27 11846, 2012

      • hawke_1
        much easier than searching for BWV # manually
      • 2012-04-27 11853, 2012

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      • hawke_1
        I do not like BWV 61. :-/
      • 2012-04-27 11856, 2012

      • hawke_1
        Also it would be nice if this sorted (roman numerals) consistently.
      • 2012-04-27 11807, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Yeah
      • 2012-04-27 11823, 2012

      • reosarevok
        I told nikki, but she was doing other stuff (nikki, can we convince you? :) )
      • 2012-04-27 11845, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Hmm
      • 2012-04-27 11849, 2012

      • reosarevok
        61 seems to agree
      • 2012-04-27 11855, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (as in, simple merges)
      • 2012-04-27 11836, 2012

      • hawke_1
        Mostly…There seems like a little disagreement in the number of movements
      • 2012-04-27 11844, 2012

      • hawke_1
        I just merged based on the name
      • 2012-04-27 11851, 2012

      • hawke_1
        BWV 82/82a is … interesting
      • 2012-04-27 11859, 2012

      • hawke_1
        maybe name BWV 82 “Cantata for bass, oboe, two violins, viola, and basso continuo…” and 82a “Cantata for soprano, flute, two violins, viola, and basso continuo.”?
      • 2012-04-27 11802, 2012

      • hawke_1
        Seems a little wordy though
      • 2012-04-27 11846, 2012

      • reosarevok
        So 82 is for bass and 82a for soprano?
      • 2012-04-27 11855, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Why not disambiguations, "for bass" and "for soprano"? :p
      • 2012-04-27 11805, 2012

      • hawke_1
        yes, and the oboe part is replaced with flute
      • 2012-04-27 11827, 2012

      • hawke_1
        reosarevok: The guideline says include instrumentation! ;-)
      • 2012-04-27 11848, 2012

      • reosarevok
        What guideline? There's no work guideline :p
      • 2012-04-27 11858, 2012

      • hawke_1
        I know
      • 2012-04-27 11808, 2012

      • hawke_1
        was quoting your message from earlier
      • 2012-04-27 11813, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Yeah, yeah
      • 2012-04-27 11831, 2012

      • reosarevok
        You can add the full instrumentation to the annotation, though, since you have it
      • 2012-04-27 11837, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (of the parent works)
      • 2012-04-27 11852, 2012

      • nikki
        CatCat: whoever said 3 days is totally deluded, it's definitely two weeks o_O
      • 2012-04-27 11801, 2012

      • nikki
        CatCat: after all, it's from fourteen nights...
      • 2012-04-27 11812, 2012

      • nikki
        kepstin-laptop: well, what I can say, it's nice and simple :P and now it's been like that so long I can't bear to change it
      • 2012-04-27 11818, 2012

      • nikki
        reosarevok: what two state switch are you after?
      • 2012-04-27 11832, 2012

      • reosarevok
        "checked / fixed" vs. "not checked / fixed"
      • 2012-04-27 11839, 2012

      • reosarevok
        So we can know what is done
      • 2012-04-27 11842, 2012

      • nikki
        how do I know if it's checked/fixed?
      • 2012-04-27 11847, 2012

      • reosarevok
        We tell it :p
      • 2012-04-27 11852, 2012

      • reosarevok
        A button or whatever
      • 2012-04-27 11804, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (if that can't be done, maybe it can mark stuff being merged?)
      • 2012-04-27 11805, 2012

      • nikki
        I can mark things with pending edits easily
      • 2012-04-27 11820, 2012

      • reosarevok
        And sort?
      • 2012-04-27 11829, 2012

      • reosarevok
        I guess that's harder?
      • 2012-04-27 11813, 2012

      • hawke_1 votes for ditching roman numerals. Screw tradition on this one!
      • 2012-04-27 11817, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Not that it solves much
      • 2012-04-27 11835, 2012

      • reosarevok
        I mean, a lot of work-parts don't have any official numbering
      • 2012-04-27 11846, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Or it's not sequential
      • 2012-04-27 11849, 2012

      • reosarevok
        So...
      • 2012-04-27 11808, 2012

      • reosarevok looks at Pictures at an Exhibition and its promenades between numbered parts
      • 2012-04-27 11826, 2012

      • nikki
        sorting is a bit harder
      • 2012-04-27 11840, 2012

      • CallerNo6
        ordinality for works!
      • 2012-04-27 11804, 2012

      • CallerNo6
        (is a broken record right twice a day? probably not)
      • 2012-04-27 11807, 2012

      • CatCat
        nikki: yea I know
      • 2012-04-27 11823, 2012

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      • hawke_1
        CallerNo6: lol “preëxisting”
      • 2012-04-27 11817, 2012

      • CatCat
        🙈 🙉 🙊
      • 2012-04-27 11858, 2012

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      • nikki
        reosarevok: it shows pending edits now
      • 2012-04-27 11803, 2012

      • reosarevok
        :D
      • 2012-04-27 11809, 2012

      • reosarevok
        hawke_1, CallerNo6 ^
      • 2012-04-27 11827, 2012

      • nikki
        do you have an example of where the sorting is wrong?
      • 2012-04-27 11844, 2012

      • CatCat
        / ROFLOLOL
      • 2012-04-27 11845, 2012

      • CatCat
      • 2012-04-27 11851, 2012

      • CatCat
        >XD<
      • 2012-04-27 11853, 2012

      • reosarevok
        nikki, 4
      • 2012-04-27 11805, 2012

      • nikki
        a
      • 2012-04-27 11806, 2012

      • nikki
        er, ah
      • 2012-04-27 11815, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Or 12
      • 2012-04-27 11855, 2012

      • CatCat
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      • nikki
        reosarevok: sorting is hopefully fixed too
      • 2012-04-27 11842, 2012

      • reosarevok refreshes
      • 2012-04-27 11807, 2012

      • reosarevok rolls his eyes at http://musicbrainz.org/artist/c1380b12-3909-47d8-a5fd-d20e76123310/open_edits
      • 2012-04-27 11818, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Search for 17429616
      • 2012-04-27 11820, 2012

      • DWSR
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      • hawke_1
        DWSR: looks like that series is complicated. :-D
      • 2012-04-27 11821, 2012

      • DWSR
        Obligatory your mom joke.
      • 2012-04-27 11851, 2012

      • reosarevok
        nikki: :D :D :D
      • 2012-04-27 11855, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Thanks!
      • 2012-04-27 11816, 2012

      • DWSR
        hawke_1: What I more meant was "what direction should we take this?"
      • 2012-04-27 11815, 2012

      • hawke_1
        DWSR: I would be inclined to say that it’s not a series
      • 2012-04-27 11833, 2012

      • DWSR
        hawke_1: So no "vol" etc?
      • 2012-04-27 11830, 2012

      • hawke_1
        DWSR: Right. Only the first one (TOOL028CD) appears to have a volume number
      • 2012-04-27 11836, 2012

      • hawke_1
        unless I'm missing something
      • 2012-04-27 11844, 2012

      • DWSR
        hawke_1: Well.
      • 2012-04-27 11819, 2012

      • DWSR
        The Mark Knight releases (TOOL028CD, TOOL066, and TOOL107) are Vol. 1, 2.0, and 3.0 respectively.
      • 2012-04-27 11848, 2012

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      • DWSR
        so....
      • 2012-04-27 11809, 2012

      • DWSR
        Vol. 1, Vol. 2, Vol. 3?
      • 2012-04-27 11815, 2012

      • hawke_1
        Right, they’re saying “The second (2.0) mark knight-mixed release”
      • 2012-04-27 11819, 2012

      • DWSR
        Yeah.
      • 2012-04-27 11826, 2012

      • DWSR
        It's a little inconsistent.
      • 2012-04-27 11834, 2012

      • hawke_1
        Not a volume number for the overall series
      • 2012-04-27 11840, 2012

      • DWSR
        Mkay.
      • 2012-04-27 11853, 2012

      • DWSR
        Can I edit the edit?
      • 2012-04-27 11856, 2012

      • hawke_1
        It seems like they changed their minds about how they were going to do it after the first one. :-)
      • 2012-04-27 11801, 2012

      • DWSR
        yeah.
      • 2012-04-27 11801, 2012

      • hawke_1
        Nope.
      • 2012-04-27 11810, 2012

      • DWSR
        So I have to create another edit?
      • 2012-04-27 11827, 2012

      • hawke_1
        Yes.
      • 2012-04-27 11836, 2012

      • DWSR
        To change the release group back?
      • 2012-04-27 11853, 2012

      • hawke_1
        No, just cancel that edit
      • 2012-04-27 11806, 2012

      • hawke_1
        and enter a new one if you want to change it again
      • 2012-04-27 11823, 2012

      • DWSR
        mkay.
      • 2012-04-27 11824, 2012

      • hawke_1
        I could see naming the releases “Toolroom Knights: Mixed by Gabriel and Dresden”, btw.
      • 2012-04-27 11841, 2012

      • DWSR
        hawke_1: Err...album artist?
      • 2012-04-27 11855, 2012

      • hawke_1
        And that would make the second mark knight one “Toolroom Knights: Mixed by Mark Knight 2.0”
      • 2012-04-27 11804, 2012

      • hawke_1
        I don’t know if that would be acceptable to others though
      • 2012-04-27 11818, 2012

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      • reosarevok
        hawke_1: I think I prefer it out of the title and just in the release artist
      • 2012-04-27 11858, 2012

      • DWSR
        yeah.
      • 2012-04-27 11801, 2012

      • DWSR
        That's how I left it
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