13:52 PM
nikki
no
2012-04-05 09615, 2012
13:54 PM
reosarevok always found that funny
2012-04-05 09622, 2012
13:54 PM
reosarevok
Aren't all physical releases limited editions? :)
2012-04-05 09651, 2012
13:54 PM
_5moufl
some are more limited than other
2012-04-05 09623, 2012
13:55 PM
reosarevok
Sure
2012-04-05 09624, 2012
13:55 PM
reosarevok
Dunno
2012-04-05 09649, 2012
13:55 PM
reosarevok
Might be that those "limited editions" I see tend to have bigger pressings than most of the "normal" music I own :)
2012-04-05 09621, 2012
14:00 PM
_5moufl
2012-04-05 09642, 2012
14:00 PM
_5moufl
2012-04-05 09621, 2012
14:07 PM
reosarevok
To works or what?
2012-04-05 09634, 2012
14:07 PM
reosarevok
If you trust it to be right, sure
2012-04-05 09659, 2012
14:11 PM
_5moufl
to recordings reosarevok
2012-04-05 09609, 2012
14:12 PM
reosarevok
Hmm
2012-04-05 09611, 2012
14:12 PM
reosarevok
I guess same
2012-04-05 09617, 2012
14:12 PM
reosarevok
If you trust it, then yeah
2012-04-05 09626, 2012
14:12 PM
_5moufl
UNtitled is a DJ mix of ... several things
2012-04-05 09641, 2012
14:12 PM
_5moufl
I asked the guy that put this up
2012-04-05 09654, 2012
14:25 PM
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2012-04-05 09601, 2012
14:30 PM
_5moufl
Rap featuring = Guest vocal +spoken or not?
2012-04-05 09612, 2012
14:47 PM
nikki wouldn't have expected rap to be entered as spoken vocals
2012-04-05 09626, 2012
14:47 PM
_5moufl
I didn't
2012-04-05 09631, 2012
14:47 PM
_5moufl
just wondering
2012-04-05 09600, 2012
14:48 PM
nikki
I would have just had rap as an option, but nooo, too vague whine whine ¬_¬
2012-04-05 09610, 2012
14:48 PM
nikki is not helping :P
2012-04-05 09602, 2012
14:50 PM
_5moufl
:)
2012-04-05 09633, 2012
15:00 PM
CatCat
god we STILL don't have rap?
2012-04-05 09636, 2012
15:00 PM
CatCat
wtf
2012-04-05 09610, 2012
15:01 PM
CatCat
nikki: you're stylethingy, can't you push this? (i guess it's not worth the hassle)
2012-04-05 09630, 2012
15:01 PM
_5moufl
amino_ : "réalisation" ça correspond à une relation en particulier ?
2012-04-05 09654, 2012
15:01 PM
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2012-04-05 09631, 2012
15:07 PM
nikki
CatCat: nobody has proposed it lately
2012-04-05 09655, 2012
15:07 PM
reosarevok
CatCat: we don't have it because it has no clear boundaries and it was talked down last times it was proposed
2012-04-05 09630, 2012
15:08 PM
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2012-04-05 09647, 2012
15:08 PM
SultS
I would like to see “rap” option… I would think booklet crediting “rap” would crediting would be enough…
2012-04-05 09605, 2012
15:09 PM
CatCat
I'd say to just use it if credited liek that :x
2012-04-05 09616, 2012
15:09 PM
CatCat
yea
2012-04-05 09622, 2012
15:09 PM
reosarevok
2012-04-05 09631, 2012
15:09 PM
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2012-04-05 09632, 2012
15:09 PM
reosarevok
Sure, but rap albums (almost) never credit rap as rap
2012-04-05 09655, 2012
15:09 PM
reosarevok
So we'd reach the silly result of only having rap credited as such in a few random places but not on rap albums
2012-04-05 09657, 2012
15:09 PM
SultS
eurohouse might
2012-04-05 09639, 2012
15:10 PM
SultS
how would rap albums be credited then? lead?
2012-04-05 09606, 2012
15:11 PM
reosarevok
I tend to just use "vocals"
2012-04-05 09609, 2012
15:11 PM
nikki
reosarevok: my japanese stuff rarely ever has credits for lead vocals despite it all having some lead vocals, yet that's no reason to nuke the lead vocal one :P
2012-04-05 09622, 2012
15:11 PM
SultS
this↑
2012-04-05 09637, 2012
15:11 PM
reosarevok
Yeah, but lead vocals is not a style of vocalising
2012-04-05 09647, 2012
15:11 PM
reosarevok
It's about their relative importance to the track
2012-04-05 09648, 2012
15:11 PM
nikki
well I sure don't know what counts as lead vocals :/
2012-04-05 09650, 2012
15:11 PM
reosarevok
Isn't it?
2012-04-05 09603, 2012
15:12 PM
nikki
I don't think I've ever used it, if I credit anyone it's just as normal vocals
2012-04-05 09606, 2012
15:12 PM
reosarevok
Yeah
2012-04-05 09613, 2012
15:12 PM
nikki
(or background vocals for background or chorus)
2012-04-05 09624, 2012
15:12 PM
reosarevok
I credit normal vocals as vocals, and background vocals as background vocals
2012-04-05 09645, 2012
15:12 PM
reosarevok
(except when it specifically says "lead vocals" and I die a bit inside when I have to :p
2012-04-05 09649, 2012
15:12 PM
nikki
haha
2012-04-05 09606, 2012
15:15 PM
reosarevok
nikki: in any case, "lead" is much harder to use wrong - I doubt almost anyone would use "lead vocals" for what someone thinks are background vocals
2012-04-05 09634, 2012
15:15 PM
reosarevok
(unless his English is very bad and thinks it is because of the metal lead and makes all kind of strange mental associations)
2012-04-05 09615, 2012
15:16 PM
reosarevok
But it's very likely that people would enter stuff like dancehall or reggaeton as "rap", when that is *very* controversial
2012-04-05 09614, 2012
15:18 PM
reosarevok
(to the level that a good amount of Spanish rap fans, for example, would dismiss MB as "wrong crap" if they saw reggaeton entered as rap vocals)
2012-04-05 09631, 2012
15:18 PM
SultS
even if so (don’t know these genres much), I’m not sure why some wrong use should mean it can’t be used at all…
2012-04-05 09631, 2012
15:18 PM
reosarevok
(just a little bit of hatred going on there :P)
2012-04-05 09614, 2012
15:19 PM
reosarevok
In principle I guess I can't oppose allowing it with a guideline that says use it only when strictly credited
2012-04-05 09637, 2012
15:19 PM
reosarevok
But then I wouldn't want to be the poor sod who has to vote no to every single person adding rappers as "rap" :p
2012-04-05 09619, 2012
15:22 PM
SultS
shouldn’t people who add these know more or less what it is? perhaps we should add more options together with rap then?
2012-04-05 09653, 2012
15:22 PM
CatCat
what is reggaeton and dancehall?
2012-04-05 09610, 2012
15:23 PM
CatCat
but stuff that is *clearly* tap.. yes
2012-04-05 09627, 2012
15:23 PM
reosarevok
2012-04-05 09655, 2012
15:23 PM
reosarevok
(note: the answer in the side of the internet I usually visit is "no")
2012-04-05 09604, 2012
15:24 PM
reosarevok
(or rather "NO FUCK YOU ARGH DIE")
2012-04-05 09641, 2012
15:24 PM
CatCat
nope i'd not say that was clearly rap
2012-04-05 09656, 2012
15:24 PM
CatCat
he's singing heoo heoo
2012-04-05 09617, 2012
15:25 PM
CatCat
but inside the verse he raps a bit.
2012-04-05 09623, 2012
15:25 PM
CatCat
but not al lthe time
2012-04-05 09628, 2012
15:25 PM
CatCat
this is what I'd feel
2012-04-05 09630, 2012
15:25 PM
reosarevok
If some slight singing disqualifies it, though, 50% + of what is currently thought of as "rap" in the US doesn't count
2012-04-05 09634, 2012
15:25 PM
CatCat
so I wouldn't tag that as rap
2012-04-05 09644, 2012
15:25 PM
CatCat
but it's like this
2012-04-05 09653, 2012
15:25 PM
reosarevok
Which again causes the problem of when to vote no :p
2012-04-05 09600, 2012
15:26 PM
CatCat
i guess the problem is that it starts going into "genre" rather than "fact"
2012-04-05 09614, 2012
15:26 PM
reosarevok
"Is it more hardcore than Public Enemy? If yes, use rap. If not, avoid"
2012-04-05 09621, 2012
15:26 PM
reosarevok
Not a very good guideline
2012-04-05 09622, 2012
15:26 PM
reosarevok
:p
2012-04-05 09631, 2012
15:26 PM
CatCat
and we'd have to define what exactly *is* rap
2012-04-05 09602, 2012
15:27 PM
CatCat
but i'd say.. if it's a "rapper" (eg eminem or 50-cents or that french guy) or expisitly say "rap" then use it, else don't
2012-04-05 09644, 2012
15:27 PM
reosarevok
Eminem has intonating in several songs ;)
2012-04-05 09645, 2012
15:27 PM
jacobbrett
What do you call that auto-tune stuff you hear on the radio, anyway? Contemporary RnB?
2012-04-05 09646, 2012
15:27 PM
SultS
that doesn’t sound like any rap I’ve heard :) (the video)
2012-04-05 09659, 2012
15:27 PM
CatCat
SultS: exactly
2012-04-05 09604, 2012
15:28 PM
CatCat
i guess it's reggeaton then
2012-04-05 09605, 2012
15:28 PM
reosarevok
2012-04-05 09608, 2012
15:28 PM
CatCat
:P
2012-04-05 09615, 2012
15:28 PM
CatCat
what is dancehall
2012-04-05 09630, 2012
15:28 PM
SultS
I think I would recognize dancehall
2012-04-05 09634, 2012
15:28 PM
reosarevok
jacobbrett: I think their preferred term is "urban music"
2012-04-05 09653, 2012
15:28 PM
reosarevok
"mostly crap" is also an appropriate choice
2012-04-05 09657, 2012
15:28 PM
CatCat
what is it if not rap?
2012-04-05 09603, 2012
15:29 PM
reosarevok
grime
2012-04-05 09615, 2012
15:29 PM
jacobbrett
reosarevok: Yeah...I was scratching my head at "urban music". :P
2012-04-05 09624, 2012
15:29 PM
reosarevok
(evolved from dancehall + UK garage, not from old school hip hop)
2012-04-05 09628, 2012
15:29 PM
CatCat
ok ,thats gener, but he's not "singing"? he's rapping? or is he "griming"
2012-04-05 09638, 2012
15:29 PM
reosarevok
He's performing vocals :p
2012-04-05 09612, 2012
15:30 PM
CatCat shjrugh, is it written as rap? no ,is he known as "rapper" then ,it's not rapper?
2012-04-05 09634, 2012
15:30 PM
CatCat
but give an exaple as dancehall
2012-04-05 09642, 2012
15:31 PM
CatCat
i think you'll find that those thins that *credit* "rap" aren't whaty people woudl "call" crap
2012-04-05 09657, 2012
15:31 PM
reosarevok
He's sometimes called rapper, sometimes grime MC, sometimes vocalist
2012-04-05 09617, 2012
15:32 PM
CatCat
this is oppinion. i'd stil say it's pretty calcualte as if it's either called *rap* or the guy performing is said to be a "rapper"
2012-04-05 09617, 2012
15:32 PM
reosarevok
Actually, for what I've seen, the English wiki tries to use "entertainer" rather than "rapper" for disambiguation
2012-04-05 09631, 2012
15:32 PM
reosarevok
Probably because of it being controversial and ill-defined
2012-04-05 09609, 2012
15:33 PM
CatCat
but when peopel are al like "it's gtime! it'a not rap! it's as saying I'ts power metal! not "hard rock"!!
2012-04-05 09617, 2012
15:33 PM
CatCat
or whatever
2012-04-05 09622, 2012
15:33 PM
CatCat
what is rap?
2012-04-05 09625, 2012
15:33 PM
CatCat
rythm
2012-04-05 09637, 2012
15:33 PM
SultS
reosarevok, couldn’t rap be considered as a broader term of some of these?
2012-04-05 09647, 2012
15:33 PM
CatCat
if we can answer the name of "what is rap" thewn we have the answer
2012-04-05 09654, 2012
15:33 PM
CatCat
SultS: yes! like "rock" and "metal"
2012-04-05 09610, 2012
15:34 PM
CatCat
rock is also an umbrella for metal
2012-04-05 09639, 2012
15:34 PM
CatCat
what about whistling... that's pretty unambiguous
2012-04-05 09657, 2012
15:34 PM
CatCat
or is it totally biguous?
2012-04-05 09659, 2012
15:34 PM
CatCat
:P
2012-04-05 09602, 2012
15:35 PM
reosarevok
SultS: it "could", but it would feel similarly as when people call every electronic music "techno"
2012-04-05 09623, 2012
15:35 PM
SultS
who does *that*? :P
2012-04-05 09632, 2012
15:35 PM
CatCat
I do .P
2012-04-05 09638, 2012
15:35 PM
reosarevok
In Spain at least, 90% of people who don't listen to it
2012-04-05 09643, 2012
15:35 PM
SultS
o.O
2012-04-05 09654, 2012
15:35 PM
SultS
I would’ve guessed trance or club
2012-04-05 09605, 2012
15:36 PM
CatCat
club is a place :P
2012-04-05 09608, 2012
15:36 PM
reosarevok
techno was the most popular style there in the whole 90s
2012-04-05 09615, 2012
15:36 PM
CatCat
i think everywhere
2012-04-05 09617, 2012
15:36 PM
reosarevok
So it's the thing they associate to anythign electronic
2012-04-05 09633, 2012
15:36 PM
CatCat
something also with "metal" and "rock" or.. hey "classical"
2012-04-05 09634, 2012
15:36 PM
reosarevok
CatCat: nah, I think trance was actually more popular in a lot of Europe
2012-04-05 09639, 2012
15:36 PM
CatCat
classical is a period actually
2012-04-05 09601, 2012
15:37 PM
CatCat
trance =/= techno
2012-04-05 09612, 2012
15:37 PM
CatCat
I wouldn't know that
2012-04-05 09625, 2012
15:37 PM
reosarevok
The problem is that "rap" is pretty much an ill-defined style, kinda similar to adding "growling"
2012-04-05 09632, 2012
15:37 PM
CatCat
rave, trance, techno, etch etc
2012-04-05 09639, 2012
15:37 PM
CatCat
oh yea and "house" for soem reason
2012-04-05 09641, 2012
15:37 PM
reosarevok
I mean, I do have albums with vocals credited as "growling" and "shrieking"
2012-04-05 09652, 2012
15:37 PM
CatCat
reosarevok: then thos shoudl be loowed
2012-04-05 09611, 2012
15:38 PM
CatCat
now since chuck billy isn't credited as "grwoling" then it's "vocals " for him
2012-04-05 09615, 2012
15:38 PM
CatCat
i ahve no problem with that
2012-04-05 09610, 2012
15:39 PM
CatCat
we cansimply state that this "assinine" way of doing it is to simply make it clear that we aren't dealign with oppinion but "facts"
2012-04-05 09619, 2012
15:39 PM
CatCat
so if it's credited as "x" it's x
2012-04-05 09623, 2012
15:39 PM
SultS
reosarevok, but wouldn’t it make sense to you add “rap” in the same style as “lead”, as in having more specific options?
2012-04-05 09638, 2012
15:39 PM
nikki notes that discogs has rap as a credit :/
2012-04-05 09649, 2012
15:39 PM
CatCat
man, we can't be worse than discogs
2012-04-05 09600, 2012
15:40 PM
reosarevok
I am not sure, for the reason stated
2012-04-05 09627, 2012
15:40 PM
reosarevok
"lead" exists as compared with a "background" - it's a different kind of categorisation
