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      • jesus2099
        _5moufl: Ah hopefuly, cool :)
      • 2012-11-28 33350, 2012

      • jesus2099
        thanks
      • 2012-11-28 33315, 2012

      • _5moufl
        it says your post hasn't been accepted to the mailing list but it is displayed
      • 2012-11-28 33334, 2012

      • jesus2099
        yes probably the email was not sent but it is in nabbel anyway
      • 2012-11-28 33348, 2012

      • jesus2099
        Who can decide to drop the ML ?
      • 2012-11-28 33321, 2012

      • reosarevok
        It won't be done
      • 2012-11-28 33323, 2012

      • jesus2099
        Is there here an OPERA USER on something else than WINDOWS to confirm that this bug also occurs on your OS ?
      • 2012-11-28 33333, 2012

      • jesus2099
        reosarevok: could we vote that ?
      • 2012-11-28 33348, 2012

      • reosarevok
        A fair amount of the current style users would veto it, because they just don't use forums
      • 2012-11-28 33310, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (and I would much rather keep style in a place where people can't edit the posts after sending them, too)
      • 2012-11-28 33315, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (which is easy with email :p)
      • 2012-11-28 33328, 2012

      • jesus2099
        nikki: do you have any recent version of Opera on your non-Windows machine to test a small stuff ?
      • 2012-11-28 33352, 2012

      • jesus2099
        reosarevok: a vote would show that if there are really so much people who likes spams
      • 2012-11-28 33304, 2012

      • jesus2099
        reosarevok: I can edit the posts in style ML BTW ,I do it almost all the time
      • 2012-11-28 33314, 2012

      • reosarevok
        No, you can't :p
      • 2012-11-28 33320, 2012

      • reosarevok
        You maybe can edit them in nabble
      • 2012-11-28 33321, 2012

      • jesus2099
        it’s a feature, not a downward
      • 2012-11-28 33330, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Which is pretty silly, since the sent mail won't change
      • 2012-11-28 33338, 2012

      • jesus2099
        I don’t care the email
      • 2012-11-28 33340, 2012

      • reosarevok
        And no, it avoids people retconning a discussion
      • 2012-11-28 33343, 2012

      • jesus2099
        I don’t receive them
      • 2012-11-28 33300, 2012

      • jesus2099
        Please don’t tell me you CAN understand any discussion in this junk ?
      • 2012-11-28 33315, 2012

      • jesus2099
        I can’t follow them
      • 2012-11-28 33318, 2012

      • reosarevok
        In my mail? I can
      • 2012-11-28 33325, 2012

      • reosarevok
        In nabble I haven't tried, so maybe not?
      • 2012-11-28 33355, 2012

      • jesus2099
        in email I couldn’t if I received them, in nabble, they keep splitting thread, why not keeping RFC and RFV in same thread for instance ?
      • 2012-11-28 33301, 2012

      • jesus2099
        why creating new topics all the time ?
      • 2012-11-28 33354, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Because they are separate things, and thus it's useful to make clear it has changed
      • 2012-11-28 33302, 2012

      • jesus2099
        it’s not
      • 2012-11-28 33308, 2012

      • reosarevok
        If it was the same, it would be much easier for people to miss that it has changed to a veto period
      • 2012-11-28 33324, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (they'd be like "oh, one more post there")
      • 2012-11-28 33325, 2012

      • jesus2099
        the veto period is too short anyway for us to can react in time
      • 2012-11-28 33343, 2012

      • jesus2099
        reosarevok: anyway I would like a vote to see if there are actually so much people liking the ML as I can hear sometimes, it seems really astoundign IMO. I doubt this very muich
      • 2012-11-28 33324, 2012

      • jesus2099
        We could use JIRA only for instance
      • 2012-11-28 33346, 2012

      • jesus2099
        reosarevok: can you +1 my RFC, BTW ? ;)
      • 2012-11-28 33302, 2012

      • reosarevok
        I know nothing about Japanese stuff, so I'm not the best person for it :)
      • 2012-11-28 33302, 2012

      • jesus2099
        the fumb is done and OK
      • 2012-11-28 33309, 2012

      • jesus2099
        the bumf, sorry
      • 2012-11-28 33317, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Ask kepstin when he is around maybe? :)
      • 2012-11-28 33329, 2012

      • jesus2099
        not there atm
      • 2012-11-28 33335, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Sure, that's why I said when he is around
      • 2012-11-28 33348, 2012

      • jesus2099
        sure :)
      • 2012-11-28 33301, 2012

      • reosarevok
        I guess he's sleeping now
      • 2012-11-28 33317, 2012

      • jesus2099
        oh yindesu maybe ! do you want to be allowed to link to utamap lyrics ?
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      • Freso
        If a release has two CD TOC's and one is consistently 2 seconds longer than the other (which I know to be a good one as I just added it), isn't that an indicator that the "longer" is a bad one? I seem to recall something to that effect.
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      • jesus2099
        it can be a homemade CD-R
      • 2012-11-28 33352, 2012

      • yindesu
        I don't deal with lyrics much, but if it's licensed by JASRAC (thus legal) I have no problem with it
      • 2012-11-28 33325, 2012

      • jesus2099
        If you feel it reasonable you can +1 this http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/STYLE-16…
      • 2012-11-28 33332, 2012

      • jesus2099
        but maybe you don’t have MailingList account
      • 2012-11-28 33343, 2012

      • jesus2099
        If you don’t have, never mind, I suggest not to care about it
      • 2012-11-28 33348, 2012

      • jesus2099
        yindesu: ↗
      • 2012-11-28 33304, 2012

      • yindesu
        lol, why suggest _not_ to care?
      • 2012-11-28 33318, 2012

      • jesus2099
        because it’s terribly DIFFICULT to be able to post in this shit
      • 2012-11-28 33339, 2012

      • jesus2099
        and WARNING please don’t subscribe without thinking fist as your EMAIL ADDRESS WILL BE POSTED PUBLICLY ON THE NET FOPREVER
      • 2012-11-28 33338, 2012

      • jesus2099
        yindesu: this is why I suggested that ;)
      • 2012-11-28 33343, 2012

      • Freso
        jesus2099: Though you edit on Nabble, you don't actually edit the maillist. The maillist is archived at http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrain… - at any time, the version there is the "official" version of the mail sent to the style maillist.
      • 2012-11-28 33321, 2012

      • jesus2099
        Freso: I have put a link in my signature to the MY OFFICIAL version of the post (the latest) ;)
      • 2012-11-28 33342, 2012

      • Freso
        jesus2099: It may be your official version, but it isn't MusicBrainz' official version.
      • 2012-11-28 33301, 2012

      • jesus2099
        having my official version is enough for me
      • 2012-11-28 33301, 2012

      • Freso
        jesus2099: Which is the one subject to discussion and voting.
      • 2012-11-28 33314, 2012

      • jesus2099
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      • jesus2099
        but anyway I’m sure a japanese music editor would +1 sooner or later, I don’t want to harras you
      • 2012-11-28 33313, 2012

      • jesus2099
        except if like me they are all overflooded with the ML content
      • 2012-11-28 33308, 2012

      • jesus2099
        yindesu: if you want to subscribe with a fake email you can use http://jetable.org choose 1 month fake email (but 1 week is usually enough for the double subscribe process (nabbel+ML))
      • 2012-11-28 33336, 2012

      • jesus2099
        yindesu: but again, it’s not that interesting over there, it’s not worht it
      • 2012-11-28 33357, 2012

      • jesus2099
        I subscrbire to veto once and my veto was too late, but my account is still there
      • 2012-11-28 33327, 2012

      • jesus2099
        nikki: who do I forward the JASRAC OK email for utamap ? You or reosarevok or ruaok ?
      • 2012-11-28 33305, 2012

      • jesus2099
        or I paste it in the wiki like I saw someione did for kasi-time
      • 2012-11-28 33332, 2012

      • nikki
        to ruaok
      • 2012-11-28 33302, 2012

      • jesus2099
        OK nice !
      • 2012-11-28 33322, 2012

      • jesus2099
        email sent to the OpenSource, Linux, Perl and Burning Man
      • 2012-11-28 33357, 2012

      • nikki
        Freso: btw, yes, that's how I would expect the sorting to be done
      • 2012-11-28 33334, 2012

      • jesus2099
        how ?
      • 2012-11-28 33349, 2012

      • jesus2099
        a i u e o - a ka sa ta na ha ma ya ra wa n ?
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      • reosarevok
        hi v6lur!
      • 2012-11-28 33308, 2012

      • v6lur
        hi
      • 2012-11-28 33322, 2012

      • reosarevok
        One thing
      • 2012-11-28 33327, 2012

      • reosarevok
        I was checking the Estonian translation
      • 2012-11-28 33350, 2012

      • reosarevok
        And translating "isik" for example in lowercase works for the sidebar, but it does look fairly weird under the artist name...
      • 2012-11-28 33302, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Maybe we should have those two as separate strings?
      • 2012-11-28 33309, 2012

      • jesus2099
        reosarevok: or apply CSS styling on :first-letter
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      • nikki
        then we'd probably get someone saying it should be the other case in some language
      • 2012-11-28 33333, 2012

      • ehrgeiz
        how should i relate an edited recording to an unedited of the same performance? i guess i could use remaster...?
      • 2012-11-28 33302, 2012

      • ehrgeiz
        hm OTH they share the same work so i guess nothing needed
      • 2012-11-28 33337, 2012

      • Freso
        How can I look up a barcode on Amazon?
      • 2012-11-28 33307, 2012

      • reosarevok
        just search for it
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      • jesus2099
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      • Freso
        ... wtf. .jp has the bar code I'm looking for that .com didn't have. Interesting.
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      • jesus2099
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      • jesus2099
        Freso: BTW it seems now that AMAZON is not keeping all OUT OF STUCK ASIN (cf. nikki’s tons of remove ASIN edits) — I think it is good time to not refrain from removing ASIN (especially crappy ones) for each releases we have CAA on…
      • 2012-11-28 33302, 2012

      • jesus2099
        reosarevok: http://forums.musicbrainz.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2… (thread resurection, not creating new topics each time is great feature of forum vs. ML) ;p
      • 2012-11-28 33306, 2012

      • Krystof
        reosarevok: hey, I've got another one of those orphan disk two releases
      • 2012-11-28 33313, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Link? :)
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      • Krystof
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      • Krystof
        (discid of my own disc gets me to the orphan release)
      • 2012-11-28 33321, 2012

      • reosarevok
        heh, old freeDB import
      • 2012-11-28 33331, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Ok, should be possible to merge now
      • 2012-11-28 33355, 2012

      • Krystof
        thanks
      • 2012-11-28 33312, 2012

      • Krystof
        let's see what happens with discs 3 to 8 :)
      • 2012-11-28 33356, 2012

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      • nikki
        jesus2099: it might seem like a lot of edits, but it's tiny in comparison to number of asins we have
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      • ehrgeiz
        damn it google.. my phone is dying and still no nexus 4 available :(
      • 2012-11-28 33353, 2012

      • _5moufl
        160 pages booklet. not gonna scan this I think :x
      • 2012-11-28 33328, 2012

      • nikki
        yindesu: you made edits to https://beta.musicbrainz.org/release/efbbccfe-2f1… saying in your hands... does the cover actually match for you?
      • 2012-11-28 33333, 2012

      • nikki
        mine's dvd-sized...
      • 2012-11-28 33347, 2012

      • yindesu
        nikki: mine is landscape-sized, yeah.
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      • yindesu
        I'll assume that cover art came from iTunes where [someone] often edits Kpop covers into normal sizes (since physical kpop releases are rarely "normally" sized)
      • 2012-11-28 33347, 2012

      • nikki
        meh. nothing good when googling
      • 2012-11-28 33310, 2012

      • yindesu
        tldr it probably came from a digital media store like http://music.bugs.co.kr/album/338711
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      • yindesu
        I would argue that any Cover Art ~500x500 in size that's easily found at Amazon should not be stored by the CAA :P
      • 2012-11-28 33349, 2012

      • reosarevok
        why?
      • 2012-11-28 33350, 2012

      • yindesu
        their jpeg compression is usually terrible, no value added :P
      • 2012-11-28 33306, 2012

      • reosarevok
        That just means if Amazon changes ToS, we can randomly be blocked out of covers
      • 2012-11-28 33312, 2012

      • nikki
        easily found at amazon is like an oxymoron though, since amazon go out of their way to make it hard for people to access their cover art :P
      • 2012-11-28 33322, 2012

      • reosarevok
        That too :p
      • 2012-11-28 33358, 2012

      • yindesu
        really? Getting the 500x500 version is usually very easy, search in the store, view image (it's not covered by a blank gif like some companies like to do), remove the _SS340_ or whatever
      • 2012-11-28 33306, 2012

      • nikki
        programmatically, I mean
      • 2012-11-28 33347, 2012

      • yindesu
        iTunes seems really easy to get now that Apple's unblocked the 1200x1200 recently
      • 2012-11-28 33310, 2012

      • nikki
        we can give you the asin, but if you want to get the image in your program, you have to sign up for a webservices account, sign up for an associates account (be rejected for the associates account because your site isn't advertising amazon products)... that's why picard still just guesses the url
      • 2012-11-28 33311, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Huh, they have?
      • 2012-11-28 33314, 2012

      • yindesu
        unfortunately many of the 1200x1200 are bad upscales
      • 2012-11-28 33315, 2012

      • yindesu
        yes
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      • yindesu
        iTunes jpeg compression is also in general better than Amazon's
      • 2012-11-28 33310, 2012

      • alastairp
        hi
      • 2012-11-28 33326, 2012

      • yindesu
        unfortunately many stores have issues with RGB vs CYMK and irreversibly (as far as I know) corrupt the color space so it's unfixable
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      • alastairp
        so, I'm trying to work out the credits for http://musicbrainz.org/release/9302c1d9-7688-4fa2…
      • 2012-11-28 33332, 2012

      • yindesu
        amazon and itunes fall into that
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      • alastairp
        the coverart attributes it to "Nostalgia 77 and the Monster"
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      • alastairp
        N77 is the primary artist
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      • alastairp
        I /think/ the Monster is a pianist called Matthew Bourne
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      • alastairp
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      • nikki
        aww not again
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      • alastairp
        nikki: :)
      • 2012-11-28 33336, 2012

      • nikki
        why can't I ever rememebr which program to use to scan stuff
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      • warp
        alastairp: based on just that link, that seems a reasonable conclusion.
      • 2012-11-28 33317, 2012

      • alastairp
        but I can't find any other references to the album online (even on Nostalgia 77's website)
      • 2012-11-28 33305, 2012

      • alastairp
        so would I do the AC as Nostalgia 77 and [Matthew Bourne, written as the Monster] ?
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      • alastairp
        s/written/credited/
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      • warp
        alastairp: that seems reasonable, some quick googling doesn't turn up much else. it can always be fixed later if there happens to be more information in the booklet and someone shows up with some scans.
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      • alastairp
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      • jesus2099
        nikki: oh yes that’s right but anyway I think ASIN are useless when ∃ CAA
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      • nikki
        if all amazon offered were images, I might agree