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      • jesus2099
        what do they offer more (wrong release dates ?)
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      • jesus2099
        ;p
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      • jesus2099
        ads ?
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      • jesus2099
        I have a pending edit (7 days) that edits the medium type DVD→DVD-Video
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      • jesus2099
        I want to edit the tracklist. I guess this new edit will fail in two weeks, right ?
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      • jesus2099
        ocharles : ↗ is that so ?
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      • jesus2099
        or is it not and I can proceed ?
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      • ocharles
        I don't think that will fail
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      • ocharles
        the failure happens when 2 edits change the tracklist
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      • alastairp
        if you add a note to someone elses edit, are you subscribed to it?
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      • alastairp
        even if it's closed?
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      • nikki
        you'll get edit notes for anything you comment on, yes
      • 2012-11-28 33301, 2012

      • alastairp
        right
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      • alastairp
        ah! allmusic calls him the monster
      • 2012-11-28 33311, 2012

      • alastairp
        that's good enough for me
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      • jesus2099
        ocharles: thanks Oliver ! good news !
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      • jesus2099 will edit, then
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      • jesus2099
        ocharles: I’m not sure but it seems the failure also happens when one of the recordings were edited too
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      • _5moufl
        legal names should be preferred over perf names in AR on works, right?
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      • reosarevok
        There's no guideline about it
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      • reosarevok
        (I like them more that way, but...)
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      • _5moufl
        the way that I suggested was the right one?
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      • nikki
        there is no right way
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      • _5moufl
        this is anarchy. :$
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      • ehrgeiz
        if the liner notes use the legal name i use it too.
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      • _5moufl
        so if the liner note uses the legal name I should edit the work to reflect that (and remove perf name) I guess
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      • Freso
        jesus2099: Off the top of my head: 1) A place to buy the music. 2) (User) reviews. 3) Another source for cross checking label, track list, barcode, ... (1b. Revenue to MB if people buy the music using our links.)
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      • _5moufl
        apparently that doesn't generate a big revenue
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      • warp
        organizations using the musicbrainz database often use it when matching or for them to show amazon links.
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      • Freso
        I didn't say big revenue. :)
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      • warp
        _5moufl: it makes the database more useful for paying customers, that brings is revenue for MB :)
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      • warp
        s/is/in/
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      • _5moufl
        sure
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      • reosarevok
        Sellout! :p
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      • reosarevok
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      • reosarevok
        If only I could fix the Japanese ones :p
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      • warp
        status 913 ?
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      • nikki
        that's a custom code for wikipedia redirects, since they still return a 200
      • 2012-11-28 33356, 2012

      • yindesu
        <Freso> 3) Another source for cross checking label
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      • yindesu
        Please don't ever tell anyone to check Amazon's label
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      • yindesu
        Amazon doesn't use imprints, only manufacturers/distributors (sometimes not even the correct one!)
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      • reosarevok
        Well, sometimes they have back covers and we can look at those
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      • reosarevok
        But yeah, the listed one tends to suck
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      • reosarevok
        (except for digital, then it's fine normally)
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      • nikki
        it's the copyright holding company, ime, not the manufacturer/distributor
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      • nikki
        still not the best source, but better than, say, cdjapan which really does only show the distributor
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      • warp
        nikki: ah
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      • ehrgeiz
        for this work-type, is it 'song' for everything if i go outside of classical?
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      • reosarevok
        Not necessarily
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      • reosarevok
        If not clear, just leave it unset
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      • reosarevok
        (some people strongly oppose using song for instrumental tunes, for example)
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      • ehrgeiz
        yes, for pop i use song without hesitation most of the times, but editing some jazz stuff and song seems weird
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      • LordSputnik
        any support here for a "remastering: <artist>" relationship for recordings?
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      • reosarevok
        Isn't that just "mastering"?
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      • Freso
        ehrgeiz: I've entered quite a few works without a type by now, as there's no fitting type available. (E.g., instrumental tracks that aren't "songs".)
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      • LordSputnik
        reosarevok: could be, but some people seem to thing that should be only for release level
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      • LordSputnik
        reosarevok: it's what I've been using up until now though :P
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      • reosarevok
        I would expect those to be the same people who disagree with remasters being new works anyway, and thus want to avoid creating new recordings for them
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      • LordSputnik
        reosarevok: hawke supports new recordings for remasters but things of mastering as a release-level relationship, afaik :P
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      • jesus2099
        Freso: 1) manye other shops, why do we addvertise amazon ? There is income maybe 2) reviews are everywhere else too 3) shouldn’t cross check ANYTHING with amazon they fail so much
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      • jesus2099
        nikki: you speak of cdjapan but in case of japanese records, there are tons scans and OHP for us to use ANY crappy shop listings (except for JAN to the maximums)
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      • jesus2099
        yindesu: +1
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      • nikki
        "OHP"?
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      • jesus2099
        _5moufl: the preferred way is what’s in the release ;)
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      • jesus2099
        nikki: Official Home Page, sorry
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      • nikki
        oh. it means overhead projector to me :P
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      • jesus2099
        what’s this ? (._.?)
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      • LordSputnik
        nikki: same :P
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      • ehrgeiz
        instrument: "bag" < this has to be bagpipe or what else could bag stand for?
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      • nikki
        a box with plastic sheets and a light that projects the contents of the sheet onto a wall
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      • jesus2099
        ah, rétro-projecteur :)
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      • Freso
        jesus2099: If you have n sources of ~equal trust value saying two different things, Amazon can be used as another variable in weighing the different information.
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      • nikki
        LordSputnik: heh, were they really popular at school for you too? :P
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      • Freso
        jesus2099: And we also promote other shops (well, I add links to other shops anyway).
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      • jesus2099
        Freso: which ones ?
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      • Freso
        jesus2099: Depends on which ones I end up using as sources for related edits.
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      • nikki
        jesus2099: there's a lot of stuff on official pages and stuff, but even I don't try to claim you can find everything
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      • jesus2099
        one good source worthes many wrong ones that copy/paste the same mistakes (amazon and co)
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      • Freso
        jesus2099: I don't have a go-to list of web shops I reference.
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      • jesus2099
        nikki: well I never need amazon.jp, except for linking its pic
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      • jesus2099
        Freso: I thought you said about making a MB relationship release-shop, sorry
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      • Freso
        jesus2099: You can search my edits for "purchase for [download,mail-order]" to see which ones I've used.
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      • Freso
        jesus2099: I did.
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      • LordSputnik
        nikki: everywhere, and some lecturers at uni still use them now :P
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      • jesus2099
        Freso: isn’t this only when there is only a unique source ?
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      • Freso
        jesus2099: The guidelines only say not to link to *everywhere* a given a release is sold, pointing to one or two shops are okay.
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      • jesus2099
        if it’s available anywhere, there is no need for ASIN nor other shops IMO (except if we use the ASIN pic)
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      • Freso
        I think linking to shops can be valuable. (Esp. if the release is otherwise difficult to find - but also when it isn't.)
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      • nikki
        LordSputnik: ah, at uni we pretty much only had projectors that are plugged into a laptop. maybe that also counts but I don't normally think of those
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      • jesus2099 did one or two mail order links when I was young and that was mistake. After that, when I grew up, I made mail order links for stuff which you can only by this way. difficult to find, ok indeed (but if it’s on Amazon, it’s everywhere else too)
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      • jesus2099
        I mean I was no-voted on ASIN removal of a total shit amazon page with wrong release date etc.
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      • jesus2099
        this is crazey
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      • jesus2099
        having a wrong ASIN page linked just because it matches the barcode is not a good reason IMO
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      • jesus2099
        I WAS REVENGED !
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      • jesus2099
        HA HA HA HA HA !
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      • LordSputnik
        nikki: yeah we mostly use actual projectors, but a few of the more traditional lectures just us OHPs :P
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      • nikki
        apparently here in germany people still use blackboards most of the time
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      • jesus2099
        LordSputnik: EVERY MB editors should be using OHP, actually.
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      • LordSputnik
        RG cover art is in the main server??
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      • nikki
        yes
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      • LordSputnik
        :o since when?
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      • nikki
        yesterday
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      • reosarevok
        Yesterday
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      • LordSputnik
        oh ok
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      • nikki
        meh. more user scripts to update
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      • LordSputnik
        i didn't know it was that close to being done
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      • nikki
        it was supposed to be done last month :P
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      • LordSputnik
        hmm, is there any way to tell the RG cover art from the web service yet, though?
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      • nikki
        no
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      • reosarevok
        No
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      • reosarevok
        Gah, stop ninja'ing me, nikki :p
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      • nikki feels like she has someone capitalising everything she says :P
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      • LordSputnik
        ah right ok
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      • reosarevok
        Nikki feels like she has someone capitalising everything she says :p
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      • nikki
        ¬_¬
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      • warp
        LordSputnik: what do you mean with "tell the RG cover art from the web service" ? does http://coverartarchive.org/beta/release-group/153… count?
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      • _5moufl
        pre-production: how does that translate in AR terms
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      • Freso
        reosarevok: I liked the symmetry of how nikki used ":P" while you used ":p".
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      • Freso
        I'm guessing it wasn't intentional though. :)
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      • reosarevok
        It was
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      • reosarevok
        I don't like :P so I counted it as correcting caps :p
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      • _5moufl
        Is it normal to have warm fuzzy feelings when the credits in a booklet are arranged in a way that makes them easier to add in MB?
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      • reosarevok
        Depends on what you mean by normal :p
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      • nikki
        normal for people in general or normal for mb users? :P
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      • LordSputnik
        warp: that's probably exactly what I mean :P
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      • reosarevok
        Ok, fine, it's in some kind of beta then :p
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      • LordSputnik
        warp: is there any case where the images list will contain more than one image?
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      • Freso
        warp: Are you the mastermind behind the Wikipedia extracts?
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      • Freso
        LordSputnik: Not if you ask for /front
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      • nikki
        Freso: ianmcorvidae did the wikipedia stuff
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      • _5moufl
        I'm gonna assume from what you answered that it's normal for MB users and weird for people in general
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      • nikki
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      • warp
        LordSputnik: yes, it's a redirect to the release index.json.
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      • Freso
        ianmcorvidae: Do you have any idea why https://musicbrainz.org/artist/cd4f5ac3-5e0e-45a0… is using that Wikipedia abstract? AFAICT, the Wikipedia is pulls it from is not one it has been linked to.
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      • nikki
        it follows interwiki links, afaik
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      • nikki
        Freso: also if you're seeing it on mb.org, are you sure you're not using my script? :P