I have a pending edit (7 days) that edits the medium type DVD→DVD-Video
2012-11-28 33304, 2012
jesus2099
I want to edit the tracklist. I guess this new edit will fail in two weeks, right ?
2012-11-28 33320, 2012
jesus2099
ocharles : ↗ is that so ?
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jesus2099
or is it not and I can proceed ?
2012-11-28 33351, 2012
ocharles
I don't think that will fail
2012-11-28 33303, 2012
ocharles
the failure happens when 2 edits change the tracklist
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alastairp
if you add a note to someone elses edit, are you subscribed to it?
2012-11-28 33328, 2012
alastairp
even if it's closed?
2012-11-28 33353, 2012
nikki
you'll get edit notes for anything you comment on, yes
2012-11-28 33301, 2012
alastairp
right
2012-11-28 33308, 2012
alastairp
ah! allmusic calls him the monster
2012-11-28 33311, 2012
alastairp
that's good enough for me
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jesus2099
ocharles: thanks Oliver ! good news !
2012-11-28 33312, 2012
jesus2099 will edit, then
2012-11-28 33341, 2012
jesus2099
ocharles: I’m not sure but it seems the failure also happens when one of the recordings were edited too
2012-11-28 33336, 2012
_5moufl
legal names should be preferred over perf names in AR on works, right?
2012-11-28 33346, 2012
reosarevok
There's no guideline about it
2012-11-28 33358, 2012
reosarevok
(I like them more that way, but...)
2012-11-28 33346, 2012
_5moufl
the way that I suggested was the right one?
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nikki
there is no right way
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_5moufl
this is anarchy. :$
2012-11-28 33325, 2012
ehrgeiz
if the liner notes use the legal name i use it too.
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_5moufl
so if the liner note uses the legal name I should edit the work to reflect that (and remove perf name) I guess
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Freso
jesus2099: Off the top of my head: 1) A place to buy the music. 2) (User) reviews. 3) Another source for cross checking label, track list, barcode, ... (1b. Revenue to MB if people buy the music using our links.)
2012-11-28 33313, 2012
_5moufl
apparently that doesn't generate a big revenue
2012-11-28 33344, 2012
warp
organizations using the musicbrainz database often use it when matching or for them to show amazon links.
2012-11-28 33348, 2012
Freso
I didn't say big revenue. :)
2012-11-28 33313, 2012
warp
_5moufl: it makes the database more useful for paying customers, that brings is revenue for MB :)
that's a custom code for wikipedia redirects, since they still return a 200
2012-11-28 33356, 2012
yindesu
<Freso> 3) Another source for cross checking label
2012-11-28 33301, 2012
yindesu
Please don't ever tell anyone to check Amazon's label
2012-11-28 33314, 2012
yindesu
Amazon doesn't use imprints, only manufacturers/distributors (sometimes not even the correct one!)
2012-11-28 33335, 2012
reosarevok
Well, sometimes they have back covers and we can look at those
2012-11-28 33341, 2012
reosarevok
But yeah, the listed one tends to suck
2012-11-28 33348, 2012
reosarevok
(except for digital, then it's fine normally)
2012-11-28 33355, 2012
nikki
it's the copyright holding company, ime, not the manufacturer/distributor
2012-11-28 33317, 2012
nikki
still not the best source, but better than, say, cdjapan which really does only show the distributor
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warp
nikki: ah
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ehrgeiz
for this work-type, is it 'song' for everything if i go outside of classical?
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reosarevok
Not necessarily
2012-11-28 33312, 2012
reosarevok
If not clear, just leave it unset
2012-11-28 33347, 2012
reosarevok
(some people strongly oppose using song for instrumental tunes, for example)
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ehrgeiz
yes, for pop i use song without hesitation most of the times, but editing some jazz stuff and song seems weird
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LordSputnik
any support here for a "remastering: <artist>" relationship for recordings?
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reosarevok
Isn't that just "mastering"?
2012-11-28 33344, 2012
Freso
ehrgeiz: I've entered quite a few works without a type by now, as there's no fitting type available. (E.g., instrumental tracks that aren't "songs".)
2012-11-28 33356, 2012
LordSputnik
reosarevok: could be, but some people seem to thing that should be only for release level
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LordSputnik
reosarevok: it's what I've been using up until now though :P
2012-11-28 33350, 2012
reosarevok
I would expect those to be the same people who disagree with remasters being new works anyway, and thus want to avoid creating new recordings for them
2012-11-28 33343, 2012
LordSputnik
reosarevok: hawke supports new recordings for remasters but things of mastering as a release-level relationship, afaik :P
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jesus2099
Freso: 1) manye other shops, why do we addvertise amazon ? There is income maybe 2) reviews are everywhere else too 3) shouldn’t cross check ANYTHING with amazon they fail so much
2012-11-28 33307, 2012
jesus2099
nikki: you speak of cdjapan but in case of japanese records, there are tons scans and OHP for us to use ANY crappy shop listings (except for JAN to the maximums)
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jesus2099
yindesu: +1
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nikki
"OHP"?
2012-11-28 33333, 2012
jesus2099
_5moufl: the preferred way is what’s in the release ;)
2012-11-28 33344, 2012
jesus2099
nikki: Official Home Page, sorry
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nikki
oh. it means overhead projector to me :P
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jesus2099
what’s this ? (._.?)
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LordSputnik
nikki: same :P
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ehrgeiz
instrument: "bag" < this has to be bagpipe or what else could bag stand for?
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nikki
a box with plastic sheets and a light that projects the contents of the sheet onto a wall
2012-11-28 33355, 2012
jesus2099
ah, rétro-projecteur :)
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Freso
jesus2099: If you have n sources of ~equal trust value saying two different things, Amazon can be used as another variable in weighing the different information.
2012-11-28 33312, 2012
nikki
LordSputnik: heh, were they really popular at school for you too? :P
2012-11-28 33317, 2012
Freso
jesus2099: And we also promote other shops (well, I add links to other shops anyway).
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jesus2099
Freso: which ones ?
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Freso
jesus2099: Depends on which ones I end up using as sources for related edits.
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nikki
jesus2099: there's a lot of stuff on official pages and stuff, but even I don't try to claim you can find everything
2012-11-28 33314, 2012
jesus2099
one good source worthes many wrong ones that copy/paste the same mistakes (amazon and co)
2012-11-28 33334, 2012
Freso
jesus2099: I don't have a go-to list of web shops I reference.
2012-11-28 33336, 2012
jesus2099
nikki: well I never need amazon.jp, except for linking its pic
2012-11-28 33300, 2012
jesus2099
Freso: I thought you said about making a MB relationship release-shop, sorry
2012-11-28 33313, 2012
Freso
jesus2099: You can search my edits for "purchase for [download,mail-order]" to see which ones I've used.
2012-11-28 33319, 2012
Freso
jesus2099: I did.
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LordSputnik
nikki: everywhere, and some lecturers at uni still use them now :P
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jesus2099
Freso: isn’t this only when there is only a unique source ?
2012-11-28 33306, 2012
Freso
jesus2099: The guidelines only say not to link to *everywhere* a given a release is sold, pointing to one or two shops are okay.
2012-11-28 33311, 2012
jesus2099
if it’s available anywhere, there is no need for ASIN nor other shops IMO (except if we use the ASIN pic)
2012-11-28 33354, 2012
Freso
I think linking to shops can be valuable. (Esp. if the release is otherwise difficult to find - but also when it isn't.)
2012-11-28 33357, 2012
nikki
LordSputnik: ah, at uni we pretty much only had projectors that are plugged into a laptop. maybe that also counts but I don't normally think of those
2012-11-28 33350, 2012
jesus2099 did one or two mail order links when I was young and that was mistake. After that, when I grew up, I made mail order links for stuff which you can only by this way. difficult to find, ok indeed (but if it’s on Amazon, it’s everywhere else too)
2012-11-28 33339, 2012
jesus2099
I mean I was no-voted on ASIN removal of a total shit amazon page with wrong release date etc.
2012-11-28 33343, 2012
jesus2099
this is crazey
2012-11-28 33325, 2012
jesus2099
having a wrong ASIN page linked just because it matches the barcode is not a good reason IMO
2012-11-28 33334, 2012
jesus2099
I WAS REVENGED !
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jesus2099
HA HA HA HA HA !
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LordSputnik
nikki: yeah we mostly use actual projectors, but a few of the more traditional lectures just us OHPs :P
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nikki
apparently here in germany people still use blackboards most of the time
2012-11-28 33351, 2012
jesus2099
LordSputnik: EVERY MB editors should be using OHP, actually.
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LordSputnik
RG cover art is in the main server??
2012-11-28 33358, 2012
nikki
yes
2012-11-28 33321, 2012
LordSputnik
:o since when?
2012-11-28 33325, 2012
nikki
yesterday
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reosarevok
Yesterday
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LordSputnik
oh ok
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nikki
meh. more user scripts to update
2012-11-28 33309, 2012
LordSputnik
i didn't know it was that close to being done
2012-11-28 33337, 2012
nikki
it was supposed to be done last month :P
2012-11-28 33329, 2012
LordSputnik
hmm, is there any way to tell the RG cover art from the web service yet, though?
2012-11-28 33333, 2012
nikki
no
2012-11-28 33335, 2012
reosarevok
No
2012-11-28 33346, 2012
reosarevok
Gah, stop ninja'ing me, nikki :p
2012-11-28 33351, 2012
nikki feels like she has someone capitalising everything she says :P
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LordSputnik
ah right ok
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reosarevok
Nikki feels like she has someone capitalising everything she says :p
