I see someone created "swift" as an artist, so I'd think that..
2011-06-12 16301, 2011
nikki
anvs in discogs are more like our artist credits, they have aliases which are more like our performance names
2011-06-12 16311, 2011
nikki
but I imagine we don't use them identically
2011-06-12 16319, 2011
derwin
nikki: I ask because I am porting subs over while tagging, and don't want to crud it up
2011-06-12 16333, 2011
nikki
subs?
2011-06-12 16340, 2011
derwin
err, submissions
2011-06-12 16351, 2011
derwin
there's a discogs -> musicbrainz greasemonkey
2011-06-12 16302, 2011
derwin
so I'm basically turning their record into a musicbrainz record
2011-06-12 16326, 2011
derwin
I am going by "if it says m. mayer on the label, that's a performance name for michael mayer"
2011-06-12 16340, 2011
derwin
and so I create m. mayer the artist, and say "michael mayer performs as m. mayer"
2011-06-12 16343, 2011
derwin
sound sane?
2011-06-12 16331, 2011
nikki doesn't see the need to add performance names for every variation of a name, that's what artist credits are for
2011-06-12 16321, 2011
derwin
nikki: well... the release is not by "mampi swift", it's by "dj swift"
2011-06-12 16337, 2011
derwin
it might say "p. amin" or whatever his real name is, somewhere on the label
2011-06-12 16351, 2011
derwin
and in electronic music, a lot of the variations are for contractual reasons
2011-06-12 16316, 2011
nikki
I mean something like michael mayer and m. mayer
2011-06-12 16351, 2011
nikki
(and michael m. and mike mayer and pretty much any other combination)
2011-06-12 16351, 2011
derwin
yeah, except then there's "swift" "mampi swift" "dj swift"
2011-06-12 16310, 2011
derwin
how do you determine what is different enough to warrant a performance name?
2011-06-12 16331, 2011
derwin
like, they didn't put m. mayer on the label on accident
2011-06-12 16340, 2011
derwin
they meant to put "m." not "michael"
2011-06-12 16356, 2011
derwin
like j. mascis is his artist name, heh
2011-06-12 16344, 2011
kepstin
Hmm. this reminds me, I should go and merge kotoko and KOTOKO.
2011-06-12 16353, 2011
nikki
I don't think people really agree on the exact way to determine what's different enough
2011-06-12 16329, 2011
derwin
nikki: yeah, it seems that way. I guess I'll keep doing submissions and creating performance names until someone says to stop? :)
2011-06-12 16314, 2011
nikki
that kinda defeats the whole point of us having artist credits though
2011-06-12 16342, 2011
reosarevok
"M. Mayer" vs. "Michael Mayer" is a bit too much IMHO
2011-06-12 16303, 2011
nikki notices that discogs has mampi swift, swift, dj swift and dj mampi swift as anvs (roughly mb artist credits) of the same artist and atg, hardnoise, kraft and philip anim as aliases (roughly mb performance names)
2011-06-12 16307, 2011
v6lur
as is swift vs. dj swift :/
2011-06-12 16324, 2011
reosarevok
v6lur: indeed
2011-06-12 16320, 2011
v6lur
use artist credits if you don't want to file everything under the main artist, whoever s/he may be
2011-06-12 16329, 2011
derwin
reosarevok: the m. mayer releases are generally on a different label than the michael mayer ones..
2011-06-12 16334, 2011
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2011-06-12 16357, 2011
reosarevok
derwin: is it considered a different project for any other than contractual reasons?
2011-06-12 16319, 2011
reosarevok
(meaning, does one make techno and the other eurodance or something)
2011-06-12 16321, 2011
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2011-06-12 16323, 2011
derwin
reosarevok: it's.. hard to tell? they're sublabels of a label he owns..
2011-06-12 16340, 2011
v6lur
sheesh, people are weird :P
2011-06-12 16340, 2011
symphonick has left the channel
2011-06-12 16344, 2011
derwin
but for like 10 years, some records are "m. mayer"
2011-06-12 16348, 2011
derwin
and others are "michael mayer"
2011-06-12 16352, 2011
derwin
can't be an accident?
2011-06-12 16335, 2011
v6lur
i'd still use artist credits unless the aliases mean totally different genre/style of music
2011-06-12 16342, 2011
derwin
others are "m. migher" lol
2011-06-12 16346, 2011
derwin
which is just him fucking with us
2011-06-12 16351, 2011
reosarevok
Clearly
2011-06-12 16317, 2011
derwin
v6lur: ok. I think I will do that going forward
2011-06-12 16327, 2011
derwin
so as an example, we have si begg
2011-06-12 16335, 2011
derwin
he does downtempo as "cabbageboy"
2011-06-12 16345, 2011
derwin
glitch house as "noodles foundation"
2011-06-12 16346, 2011
reosarevok
Yeah
2011-06-12 16354, 2011
reosarevok
That's totally different artists / performs as
2011-06-12 16358, 2011
derwin
breakbeat as "si begg" and/or "buckfunk 3000"
2011-06-12 16311, 2011
derwin
yeah. ok, I think I probably will not go through and re-do my m. mayer etc
2011-06-12 16321, 2011
derwin
unless it's a major faux pas for me to not?
2011-06-12 16340, 2011
reosarevok
derwin: they can be downvoted / merged
2011-06-12 16302, 2011
derwin
reosarevok: in general these are 100% new additions, so yeah
2011-06-12 16309, 2011
reosarevok
I don't personally care about the artist, maybe someone who does can change if he deems it necessary
2011-06-12 16310, 2011
derwin
I guess I'll let folks decide, and change going forward.
2011-06-12 16318, 2011
reosarevok
Or vote
2011-06-12 16323, 2011
v6lur
well, perhaps merging them is for the best, leaving "update artist credits" unchecked...
2011-06-12 16338, 2011
v6lur
err, s/perhaps/methinks
2011-06-12 16340, 2011
derwin
v6lur: I guess I'm not very confident I know how to do that
2011-06-12 16350, 2011
derwin
v6lur: and when I've gone outside the context of simple edits, I get ph33r
2011-06-12 16334, 2011
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2011-06-12 16311, 2011
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2011-06-12 16326, 2011
hoopes
hi, i was wondering if anyone had written up a set of sqlalchemy classes that model the MB database?
2011-06-12 16338, 2011
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2011-06-12 16355, 2011
NordSig
Why it may come out that I can't change track title?
2011-06-12 16332, 2011
nikki
I don't know. what do you mean by that?
2011-06-12 16336, 2011
reosarevok
NordSig: recording and track titles are different
2011-06-12 16352, 2011
reosarevok
So if you want to change the *track* title, you have to edit the *release* it is in
2011-06-12 16359, 2011
reosarevok
(if that's not the problem, please explain)
2011-06-12 16359, 2011
derwin
Correcting tags from: m. mayer - twin peaks l frost
2011-06-12 16300, 2011
derwin
To: Michael Mayer - Twin Peaks / Frost
2011-06-12 16311, 2011
derwin
the internet has spoken!
2011-06-12 16355, 2011
reosarevok
derwin: remember you can have it as M. Mayer as an artist credit of Michael Mayer, so it will be M. Mayer still
2011-06-12 16315, 2011
reosarevok
(just together with all the M{ichael} Mayer releases
2011-06-12 16317, 2011
derwin
reosarevok: yeah, I was sorta confused about that. so "artist" on the track is m. mayer
2011-06-12 16331, 2011
derwin
but "artist" on the release is "Michael Mayer" ?
2011-06-12 16334, 2011
reosarevok
Nope
2011-06-12 16343, 2011
reosarevok
Artist in the release is Michael Mayer, who appears as M. Mayer
2011-06-12 16355, 2011
derwin
but I mean, in the submission UI
2011-06-12 16355, 2011
reosarevok
(you should click the arrows by the artist field)
2011-06-12 16304, 2011
derwin
right, or on the tracklist
2011-06-12 16312, 2011
derwin
you have 1 - track name - m. mayer.mp3
2011-06-12 16332, 2011
derwin
and that fills in the "track artist" (?)
2011-06-12 16334, 2011
reosarevok
I wouldn't use the basic tracklist for that. The advanced, maybe, but if all the tracks are by the same artist, it's easier to do it on the release artist level and check the "change track artists" checkbox
2011-06-12 16350, 2011
derwin
ok
2011-06-12 16353, 2011
derwin
I will look for that next time
2011-06-12 16308, 2011
reosarevok
(that's if you're *changing* it, though)
2011-06-12 16316, 2011
derwin
ah.
2011-06-12 16318, 2011
reosarevok
If you're just adding it, do what I said before
2011-06-12 16323, 2011
reosarevok
When choosing release artist
2011-06-12 16326, 2011
reosarevok
Click the arrows
2011-06-12 16329, 2011
reosarevok
It will show a bubble
2011-06-12 16349, 2011
reosarevok
There, you can choose the Artist in MusicBrainz (Michael Mayer) and how it appears in the release (m. mayer)
2011-06-12 16301, 2011
derwin
ok, I will give one a shot now
2011-06-12 16314, 2011
reosarevok
That will add it as a m. mayer release, but with it working more or less as a discogs ANV
(that is, linking to Michael Mayer if you click on it and appearing in Michael Mayer's page)
2011-06-12 16343, 2011
reosarevok
NordSig: yeah, that's the recording
2011-06-12 16303, 2011
reosarevok
It represents all the appearances of the, well, recording, in different releases
2011-06-12 16312, 2011
nikki
NordSig: also, the title is highlighted, which means there are pending edits
2011-06-12 16316, 2011
reosarevok
And it is normalized
2011-06-12 16340, 2011
nikki
edits aren't normally immediately accepted, they go into a queue to be voted on, so you don't always see your changes straight away
2011-06-12 16303, 2011
reosarevok
NordSig: If you want to change just how it appears on a specific release, you should use the "Edit" option in the release page, and go to Tracklist and change it there
2011-06-12 16306, 2011
MBChatLogger
I hate the evil empire
2011-06-12 16306, 2011
NordSig
reosarevok: None of my editings was voted yet, but other changes already appled.
2011-06-12 16330, 2011
reosarevok
applied
2011-06-12 16333, 2011
reosarevok
Nope
2011-06-12 16336, 2011
reosarevok
What was it?
2011-06-12 16340, 2011
reosarevok
Oh
2011-06-12 16343, 2011
MBChatLogger
I hate the evil empire
2011-06-12 16343, 2011
reosarevok
:p
2011-06-12 16345, 2011
NordSig
^)
2011-06-12 16338, 2011
NordSig
Could you vote my changes of recording and tracklist?
2011-06-12 16347, 2011
v6lur
what, logger hates two evil empires now?
2011-06-12 16352, 2011
reosarevok
He does
2011-06-12 16311, 2011
MBChatLogger
I hate the evil empire
2011-06-12 16311, 2011
reosarevok
He hates applesoft as much as microapple
2011-06-12 16318, 2011
reosarevok
It seems
2011-06-12 16339, 2011
v6lur
i wonder when does it begin to hate linux (and bsd, etc)
2011-06-12 16350, 2011
NordSig
Funny bot :)
2011-06-12 16314, 2011
v6lur
what about appsoft or microple?
2011-06-12 16319, 2011
reosarevok
v6lur: When they make a gnuPad and a gnuPhone and a gnuHeadCrab
(if anyone feels like going through my recent edits for sanity purposes, username is "darwinx0r" ;d)
2011-06-12 16316, 2011
reosarevok
And you should give some proof that tells us why we should change it to Staraya pesnya (Margo) (that is, a picture, a tracklist in a website, or something)
2011-06-12 16339, 2011
reosarevok
Adding the artist name to the title can be legitimate, but it is weird so needs proof
2011-06-12 16352, 2011
reosarevok
(well, actually everything needs proof, but some things need it more than others)
