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      • Milosz
        damn
      • 2011-01-02 00225, 2011

      • Milosz
      • 2011-01-02 00240, 2011

      • Milosz
        I slaughtered the topic
      • 2011-01-02 00258, 2011

      • Milosz
        alastairp, but it needs a modified libmpd
      • 2011-01-02 00207, 2011

      • Milosz
        which supports MusicBrainz ID information
      • 2011-01-02 00208, 2011

      • alastairp
        OK, cool
      • 2011-01-02 00212, 2011

      • alastairp
        so it's kind of mpd-backed?
      • 2011-01-02 00218, 2011

      • alastairp
        oph, awesome
      • 2011-01-02 00218, 2011

      • Milosz
        yeah it's an MPD client
      • 2011-01-02 00223, 2011

      • Milosz
        but MPD is terrible, terrible
      • 2011-01-02 00226, 2011

      • Milosz
        I need so many workarounds
      • 2011-01-02 00229, 2011

      • Milosz
        or maybe it's libmpd
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      • alastairp
        I'm been after a nice distributed player for a /long/ time
      • 2011-01-02 00242, 2011

      • Milosz
        well it's usable and it works
      • 2011-01-02 00243, 2011

      • alastairp
        yeah, this is why I don't use mpd :)
      • 2011-01-02 00256, 2011

      • Milosz
        I wish DBus supported TCP/IP
      • 2011-01-02 00203, 2011

      • Milosz
        I'd start writing my own daemon instantly
      • 2011-01-02 00207, 2011

      • alastairp
        I've /just/ started using upnp + xbmc + xbmc remote for android
      • 2011-01-02 00212, 2011

      • Milosz
        ah
      • 2011-01-02 00233, 2011

      • Milosz
        mpd is written as if this were 1995 or so
      • 2011-01-02 00208, 2011

      • Clint
        it needs a more modular architecture
      • 2011-01-02 00243, 2011

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      • Milosz
        Clint, MPD?
      • 2011-01-02 00213, 2011

      • Milosz
        they should improve their protocol because it really limits what a client can do
      • 2011-01-02 00230, 2011

      • Milosz
        for all I can tell, it sends next-song events whenever the f* it wants
      • 2011-01-02 00235, 2011

      • Clint
        yes, instead of continuing to bolt things on sideways
      • 2011-01-02 00237, 2011

      • Milosz
        sometimes 5 in a row
      • 2011-01-02 00240, 2011

      • Milosz
        it's really horrible
      • 2011-01-02 00218, 2011

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      • alastairp
        I have a friend somewhat interested in a better mpd
      • 2011-01-02 00241, 2011

      • alastairp
        I should try and get him in
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      • Milosz
        the problem with MPD is that it enforces a particular way in which clients can be written
      • 2011-01-02 00206, 2011

      • Milosz
        and therefore most clients are as horrible as the MPD socket protocol allows
      • 2011-01-02 00215, 2011

      • luks
        I think that's a general problem with remote players
      • 2011-01-02 00227, 2011

      • luks
        xmms2 has the same problem, IMO
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      • Milosz
        xmms2 does some things I don't really like
      • 2011-01-02 00231, 2011

      • Milosz
        e.g. the database is implicit
      • 2011-01-02 00241, 2011

      • Milosz
        you can play any song anywhere and it automatically adds it to the database
      • 2011-01-02 00217, 2011

      • Milosz
        there must be a better way than using a plain socket, or at least they should improve their socket protocol
      • 2011-01-02 00250, 2011

      • luks
        joe wreschnig (author of quod libet) started writing http://code.google.com/p/antiphon/
      • 2011-01-02 00254, 2011

      • luks
        but it seems kind of dead
      • 2011-01-02 00204, 2011

      • Milosz
        quod libet is quite a good player
      • 2011-01-02 00217, 2011

      • Milosz
        he put some real thought into some of the features
      • 2011-01-02 00226, 2011

      • Milosz
        one example for a horrible MPD client is Ario
      • 2011-01-02 00233, 2011

      • Milosz
        but I guess people will use what's available
      • 2011-01-02 00253, 2011

      • Milosz
        also people do stuff that is beyond my understanding as for why
      • 2011-01-02 00200, 2011

      • Milosz
        e.g. Banshee can parse advanced queries only like this:
      • 2011-01-02 00203, 2011

      • Milosz
        "date<1994"
      • 2011-01-02 00207, 2011

      • Milosz
        it doesn't allow for whitespace
      • 2011-01-02 00221, 2011

      • Milosz
        there's no reason why it shouldn't
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      • Muz
        Am I mad for expecting NGS to work under Perl 5.12 and Postgres 9.0.2?
      • 2011-01-02 00239, 2011

      • luks
        with the number of dependencies, I wouldn't be too sure about Perl 5.12
      • 2011-01-02 00248, 2011

      • luks
        PostgreSQL 9 should be fine
      • 2011-01-02 00258, 2011

      • FauxFaux
        Man up and build the dependencies!
      • 2011-01-02 00250, 2011

      • Muz
        They are!
      • 2011-01-02 00257, 2011

      • Muz
        And have been since I woke up.
      • 2011-01-02 00205, 2011

      • Muz
        2 hours ago. ¬_¬
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      • Muz
        Hm, well that's all the dependancies installed and supposedly working.
      • 2011-01-02 00233, 2011

      • Muz
        Herp a derp. muz [at yggdrasil]:~/musicbrainz-server/postgresql-unaccent$ make -j15
      • 2011-01-02 00237, 2011

      • Muz
        Makefile:9: /usr/lib/postgresql/8.4/lib/pgxs/src/makefiles/pgxs.mk: No such file or directory
      • 2011-01-02 00240, 2011

      • Muz
        Looks hardcoded to me. /o\
      • 2011-01-02 00230, 2011

      • ruaok
        its not.
      • 2011-01-02 00234, 2011

      • Muz
        Oh penises. It's because apt shat all over my system
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      • Muz
        Yeah, just started prodding about. I've got multiple instances of postgres on this machine. Am I mad? WHY YES.
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      • kepstin
        man, I really should get on drafting a Release→URL "Official Homepage" AR. Pages as cool as http://thetrois.net/ deserve to be linked :)
      • 2011-01-02 00209, 2011

      • KingJ
        Yeah, it's a really awesome site. Went on earlier to check the release names
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      • kepstin
        hmm. I think I’m going to add track artists for those TROIS PROJECT releases.
      • 2011-01-02 00209, 2011

      • kepstin
        they pretty clearly label the vocalists as track artists on the album art, and it’s a mix of multiple groups on each disc
      • 2011-01-02 00208, 2011

      • ocharles
        Muz: yes, it should work with 5.12 - Perl has pretty strong back compat
      • 2011-01-02 00212, 2011

      • ocharles
        well, insanely strong
      • 2011-01-02 00213, 2011

      • ocharles
        Milosz: why not write a client for xmms2, which has a considerably more sane api?
      • 2011-01-02 00220, 2011

      • luks
        well, we had a lot of problems with getting the old code running on 5.10 :)
      • 2011-01-02 00226, 2011

      • ocharles
        ish, that was one very localised point
      • 2011-01-02 00237, 2011

      • ocharles
        and that was doing some crazy glob referencing stuff so I'm not surprised that was brittle :P
      • 2011-01-02 00250, 2011

      • luks
        with the number of modules the new code uses, it would be surprised if there wasn't some crazy code in there
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      • ocharles
        the crazy code is mostly factored into a few important modules though, rather than in house
      • 2011-01-02 00234, 2011

      • Milosz
        ocharles, I would just need to write a different source plugin
      • 2011-01-02 00234, 2011

      • ocharles
        like the aptly named Variable::Magic
      • 2011-01-02 00238, 2011

      • ocharles
        :)
      • 2011-01-02 00258, 2011

      • Milosz
        which I probably am going to because I want to see how well xmms2 works
      • 2011-01-02 00203, 2011

      • Milosz
        to do*
      • 2011-01-02 00212, 2011

      • ocharles
        i've been happy with it
      • 2011-01-02 00222, 2011

      • Milosz
        I think anything would be better than MPD
      • 2011-01-02 00243, 2011

      • Milosz
        I first used existing clients and MPoD2 on my iTouch
      • 2011-01-02 00252, 2011

      • Milosz
        but when I started _writing_ a client I really became upset
      • 2011-01-02 00255, 2011

      • Muz
        ocharles: yeah, I've found the most of my troubles have been with apt and Ubuntu more than anything.
      • 2011-01-02 00207, 2011

      • Muz
        Lesson learnt: don't assume that Ubuntu's assumptions are sane, and just do it yourself.
      • 2011-01-02 00217, 2011

      • Milosz
        update-manager got worse in 10.10
      • 2011-01-02 00222, 2011

      • Milosz
        for whatever reason
      • 2011-01-02 00255, 2011

      • Muz
        update-manager? Doesn't sound like a CLI tool to me. ¬_¬
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      • Muz
        I'm not being a heretic and X forwarding apps to my Windows machine, like FauxFaux is. ¬_¬
      • 2011-01-02 00238, 2011

      • FauxFaux
        The pro way to do it. Also, Muz, 9.0.2 is totally the newest version of postregsql.
      • 2011-01-02 00251, 2011

      • Muz
        Yeah, I realise that now. It's what I'm running. ¬_¬
      • 2011-01-02 00255, 2011

      • Muz
        brb compiling trunk.
      • 2011-01-02 00222, 2011

      • Milosz
        I read that as "compiling drunk"
      • 2011-01-02 00252, 2011

      • FauxFaux
        sudo apt-get install -t unstable postgresql-9.0 # seems pretty easy, y u no debian Muz?
      • 2011-01-02 00242, 2011

      • Muz
        FauxFaux: because Ubuntu is user friendly.
      • 2011-01-02 00206, 2011

      • kepstin
        KingJ, I ended up setting track artists on that THIRD ENSEMBLE: NOIR album; can you poke through the 10 edits starting at http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=13803682 (use the Next Edit button at the bottom) and let me know if that seems OK?
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      • KingJ
        kepstin: I need to check IRC more often. Checking through it now, yay for track artists
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      • KurtB
        I'm adding an Audiobook to the database. There are 39 discs. Can I clone an existing entry, and edit the disc #?
      • 2011-01-02 00233, 2011

      • petteyg
        KurtB: Not yet.
      • 2011-01-02 00247, 2011

      • petteyg
        KurtB: Somebody told me that it will be implemented after NGS.
      • 2011-01-02 00255, 2011

      • KurtB
        petteyg, Ah.... well, at least some one is thinking about it in the future.
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      • KurtB keyed-in the first two at least. I'm going to bail on the next 30 or so. :-o
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      • KingJ
        kepstin: around?
      • 2011-01-02 00215, 2011

      • kepstin
        yep
      • 2011-01-02 00257, 2011

      • KingJ
        I'll PM you in a moment if that's okay, just got dragged into something
      • 2011-01-02 00202, 2011

      • kepstin
        sure
      • 2011-01-02 00239, 2011

      • kepstin
        (but if it's not that private, it might be better to just talk in here, so it can be logged :)