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      • Younes
        Thanks again
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      • nikki prods bitmap
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      • bitmap
        hi
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      • nikki
        Shepard wants to know how to add those ppa thingies for picard to ubuntu :P
      • 2011-09-01 24423, 2011

      • bitmap
        I have no idea :o
      • 2011-09-01 24400, 2011

      • bitmap
        I don't know much about the ppas or Ubuntu :/
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      • nikki
        ah
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      • nikki wonders who does
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      • warp guesses luks
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      • luks
        sudo add-apt-repository ppa:luks/musicbrainz-daily
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      • nikki
        thanks :D
      • 2011-09-01 24440, 2011

      • Shepard
        works! thanks!
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      • brack9
        Yo
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      • CatCat
        I jack everthing through pipe
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      • nikki
        bitmap: well, maybe you know why looking up a cd in windows gives him an error while reading the cd toc
      • 2011-09-01 24431, 2011

      • bitmap
        nikki: hm, does it print out a specific error?
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      • CatCat
        something else uses the disc?
      • 2011-09-01 24451, 2011

      • CatCat
        like player/itunes / windows bull
      • 2011-09-01 24416, 2011

      • nikki
        it's just "error while reading the CD TOC"
      • 2011-09-01 24423, 2011

      • CatCat
        also, germans: what word for "merge" re: musicbrainz terminology do you sue?
      • 2011-09-01 24433, 2011

      • CatCat
        use, not sue
      • 2011-09-01 24422, 2011

      • bitmap
        nikki: I wonder if it's the same issue as http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/PICARD-38
      • 2011-09-01 24401, 2011

      • nikki
        CatCat: vereinen
      • 2011-09-01 24421, 2011

      • bitmap
        apparently selecting the drive manually works, even if it appears to be already selected…but I don't have a Windows machine near me to test
      • 2011-09-01 24422, 2011

      • CatCat
        hm.. what does it mean.. imean, what kind of word is it=?
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      • nikki
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      • nikki
        it's a verb...
      • 2011-09-01 24406, 2011

      • nikki
        bitmap: that looks like it
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      • nikki
        bitmap: yep. we really selected it and now it... "works"
      • 2011-09-01 24419, 2011

      • bitmap
        heh
      • 2011-09-01 24432, 2011

      • nikki
        it found a "death cab for cutie" cd despite there being no audio cd in the drive
      • 2011-09-01 24440, 2011

      • bitmap
        o_O
      • 2011-09-01 24442, 2011

      • CatCat
        oh yea! i have to do that on my box to, before. i remember
      • 2011-09-01 24444, 2011

      • nikki
        yeah :P
      • 2011-09-01 24424, 2011

      • CatCat
        man iu hate it when people do urls with date ranges
      • 2011-09-01 24428, 2011

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      • nikki
        bitmap: oh, it seems someone added a toc for a dvd
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      • bitmap didn't know that was possible
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      • nikki
        it's not really
      • 2011-09-01 24406, 2011

      • nikki
        that explains where the cd stub went I imagine
      • 2011-09-01 24419, 2011

      • nikki
        (there used to be a cd stub that was like "DVD - DON'T ADD THIS"
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      • nikki
        )
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      • nikki
        and it vanished
      • 2011-09-01 24447, 2011

      • nikki
        hm. only recently added though
      • 2011-09-01 24446, 2011

      • nikki
        http://musicbrainz.org/edit/15127652 if you want to vote on the remove disc id edit :P
      • 2011-09-01 24452, 2011

      • nikki
        then I can remove the fake track time
      • 2011-09-01 24416, 2011

      • bitmap
        voted :)
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      • reosarevok
        meh 502
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      • skd5aner
        Does the guy who maintains the last.fm plus plugin hang out around in here?
      • 2011-09-01 24413, 2011

      • nikki
        he hasn't been seen for ages
      • 2011-09-01 24454, 2011

      • skd5aner
        ah, ok - I love that plugin... but it appears that the "original year" may no longer be working - seems to always take the year of the selected release
      • 2011-09-01 24413, 2011

      • nikki
        the latest versions of picard already support that afaik
      • 2011-09-01 24428, 2011

      • nikki
        but you might need to add a line in the scripting bit to set it to the tag you want to use
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      • yindesu
        Can someone explain to me why composeres, lyricists, and artists are listed twice on this Works page - http://musicbrainz.org/artist/5c46069f-43d8-453f-…
      • 2011-09-01 24421, 2011

      • nikki
        I don't know *why*, but the ticket is http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-3365
      • 2011-09-01 24436, 2011

      • yindesu
        yeah, I figured there would be a ticket I would never be able to turn up a search result for.
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      • reosarevok
        Nobody but nikki can
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      • reosarevok
        It's just magic
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      • nikki
        :D
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      • skd5aner
        might be a dumb question, but if an artist covers another artist, which AR should be used?
      • 2011-09-01 24444, 2011

      • skd5aner
        I thought it used to be obvious,but for some reason I'm missing the obvious now :/
      • 2011-09-01 24412, 2011

      • reosarevok
        skd5aner, that is now solved with work links
      • 2011-09-01 24422, 2011

      • reosarevok
        The cover would be the same work
      • 2011-09-01 24432, 2011

      • skd5aner
        ah... ok - I'm still an NGS newb
      • 2011-09-01 24453, 2011

      • skd5aner
        I guess that's what you get when you've used MB since 2003 - teaching the old dog a new trick
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      • reosarevok
        So is almost everyone else :)
      • 2011-09-01 24417, 2011

      • reosarevok
        So just ask and you'll get replies
      • 2011-09-01 24439, 2011

      • skd5aner
        So, forgive me here... but I don't "create a relationship" anymore between recordings?
      • 2011-09-01 24421, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Nope
      • 2011-09-01 24442, 2011

      • skd5aner
        what do I do to create a link?
      • 2011-09-01 24455, 2011

      • reosarevok
        "cover" is now an attribute of the "is a performance of" relationship between works and recordings
      • 2011-09-01 24415, 2011

      • reosarevok
        So you need to find the appropriate work and create a link to the recording
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      • skd5aner
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      • skd5aner
        all of those are covers
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      • skd5aner
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      • reosarevok
        (if the work is not there, which is likely, just create it... and relate it to the original too while you're at it9
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      • skd5aner
        I'm looking at the first one, electrocution
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      • skd5aner
        which is a cover of the Bill Fox version
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      • reosarevok
        Is this one of the cases of "cover of a specific cover"? :p
      • 2011-09-01 24438, 2011

      • skd5aner
        you mean, was Bill Fox's version another cover?
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      • reosarevok
        Yeah
      • 2011-09-01 24445, 2011

      • skd5aner
        ttbomk, no
      • 2011-09-01 24452, 2011

      • reosarevok
        (as you said "version" I was wondering)
      • 2011-09-01 24453, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Oh, ok
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      • reosarevok
        Simpler then
      • 2011-09-01 24420, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Bill Fox has no works
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      • reosarevok
        (at the moment)
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      • reosarevok
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      • reosarevok
        I imagine those should be linked to the same work as the Nada Surf cover
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      • skd5aner
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      • reosarevok
        Yeah
      • 2011-09-01 24444, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Add a work (ediiting - add work)
      • 2011-09-01 24424, 2011

      • reosarevok
        (yeah, we need a way to add a work directly related to a recording without an userscript... I imagine there is a ticket for it)
      • 2011-09-01 24428, 2011

      • skd5aner
        that's what I probably need to educate myself on a bit more... what's the concept of "work" vs. recording
      • 2011-09-01 24444, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Anyway, for now, add a work, name it "Electrocution", and relate it to both Fox's and NS' recordings
      • 2011-09-01 24457, 2011

      • reosarevok
        The work is (more or less) the "composition"
      • 2011-09-01 24405, 2011

      • reosarevok
        While the recording is the "performance"
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      • skd5aner
        ha - so much simplier before :)
      • 2011-09-01 24454, 2011

      • skd5aner
        I'll come back and try to learn a bit more about it later... I like to add these things when I come across them
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      • reosarevok
        It was simpler before... except when it wasn't
      • 2011-09-01 24449, 2011

      • reosarevok
        (at least now you're not expected to hunt for the first release ever)
      • 2011-09-01 24454, 2011

      • skd5aner
        well, I meant this specific piece :)
      • 2011-09-01 24438, 2011

      • skd5aner
        but, I just noticed that during the NGS release, it appears that there wasn't a way for this stuff to be transformed from the old data? because I had covers entered as ARs in the old schema that don't appear to be represented now in MB :(
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      • reosarevok
        :/
      • 2011-09-01 24436, 2011

      • reosarevok
        In theory, they were all converted
      • 2011-09-01 24448, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Aren't they linked to any works now if you enter the recording?
      • 2011-09-01 24419, 2011

      • skd5aner
        hmmm, I could be wrong - some tracks I know I entered are, but the first one I checked, which is on the same album as others I entered isn't
      • 2011-09-01 24429, 2011

      • skd5aner
        so... I don't know, I strongly doubt I missed it
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      • skd5aner
        either way, I'm playing around now with some, and I can see how to enter the edits now...
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      • reosarevok
        :)
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      • skd5aner
        so, one last quick question...
      • 2011-09-01 24443, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Hopefully in a couple of months everything will be simpler
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      • reosarevok
        Yep?
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      • skd5aner
        how come a "work" wouldn't exist for a recording? Do they all have to be created manually?
      • 2011-09-01 24404, 2011

      • skd5aner
        ie, that bill fox one
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      • reosarevok
        They were created automatically if a track had any work-level relationships (composer, lyricist, etc)
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      • reosarevok
        Or stuff that needed them (like cover)
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      • skd5aner
        ah
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      • skd5aner
        so LOTS of them won't
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      • reosarevok
        Yes
      • 2011-09-01 24455, 2011

      • skd5aner
        only stuff that had some AR related entity like that
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      • reosarevok
        It was considered better than creating so many that the lists were unmanageable, I guess
      • 2011-09-01 24432, 2011

      • skd5aner
        what about new stuff... if I add a new album, and fill it with tracks - will it automatically create works?
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      • reosarevok
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      • nikki
        reosarevok: imo not just that, auto-editors can add or approve recording-work relationships, but nobody can approve merges
      • 2011-09-01 24457, 2011

      • reosarevok
        (this has been worked on for a while already, believe it or not)
      • 2011-09-01 24403, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Oh, that also helps I guess
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      • reosarevok
        skd5aner, no, it won't (yet)
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      • reosarevok
        There's a feature being worked on that will allow to add relationships to works in bulk (and create them if they don't exist while you're at it)
      • 2011-09-01 24452, 2011

      • reosarevok
        But it's not finished
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      • skd5aner
        thanks for the help
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      • CatCat
        never odd or even
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      • CatCat
        if i had a hi-fi
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      • CatCat
        madam I'm Adam
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      • CatCat
        too hot to hoot