#musicbrainz

/

      • ddaydj joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11851, 2011

      • Mirrakor joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11801, 2011

      • Tecfan joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11859, 2011

      • Snartal
        reosarevok: Grupo Alacran de Durango..... as an band...... what would be the caps on that, and what does Alacran mean?
      • 2011-04-28 11832, 2011

      • Snartal
        And, is Grupo similar to "The" and the sort order would be, Alacran de Durango, Grupo?
      • 2011-04-28 11832, 2011

      • reosarevok
        There are no clear guidelines about caps on a band name, AFAIK
      • 2011-04-28 11818, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Alacrán is a word for "scorpion", but I'm not sure that's what the band have in mind
      • 2011-04-28 11850, 2011

      • reosarevok
        "Grupo" is "group", basically "band"… and I wouldn't normally put it at the end
      • 2011-04-28 11805, 2011

      • reosarevok
        (but I'm not our sortname expert, to be honest)
      • 2011-04-28 11847, 2011

      • Snartal
        Duh, should of known that one, guess it didn't translate due to the lack of accent mark
      • 2011-04-28 11823, 2011

      • Snartal
        They have a scorpion on their covers, and I just worked on Alacranes Musical - lol
      • 2011-04-28 11807, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Ok, that explains it
      • 2011-04-28 11828, 2011

      • caller_6 joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11829, 2011

      • chrisb joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11832, 2011

      • STalKer-Y joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11809, 2011

      • DarkAudit joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11808, 2011

      • dubwai joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11841, 2011

      • dubwai
        How do you think "2002 - 2009" must be the part of release title? I think no because the color of this information is the same word "PRESENTS" and on label site also title without it. But one autoeditor think that right is "The Gathering of the Elders 2002-2009", but if this information must be entered I think the right one is "The Gathering of the Elders: 2002-2009". I am newbie :-)...
      • 2011-04-28 11843, 2011

      • dubwai
        ...http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51W0MAcxnfL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
      • 2011-04-28 11800, 2011

      • sezuan joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11835, 2011

      • warp
        it doesn't seem path of the title.
      • 2011-04-28 11805, 2011

      • warp
        dubwai: commented and voted.
      • 2011-04-28 11800, 2011

      • dubwai
        warp: thx mr_maxis things that he is very clever :-)
      • 2011-04-28 11847, 2011

      • dinog joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11848, 2011

      • vinci
        hi all
      • 2011-04-28 11824, 2011

      • vinci
        nikki, you can delete the "french (fr)" translation : it will likely never be completed, since we got "french (fr_FR)" which is exactly the same
      • 2011-04-28 11834, 2011

      • vinci
        I don't think we will have fr_CA or fr_BE soon :-D
      • 2011-04-28 11810, 2011

      • outsidecontext joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11841, 2011

      • Krystof joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11823, 2011

      • Tykling joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11846, 2011

      • Vorpal joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11804, 2011

      • pecastro joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11819, 2011

      • reosarevok joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11840, 2011

      • _Dave_ joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11853, 2011

      • Mineo joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11830, 2011

      • pecastro joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11853, 2011

      • _bibi joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11851, 2011

      • DarkAudit joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11804, 2011

      • Tykling joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11802, 2011

      • _bibi joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11825, 2011

      • _bibi joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11858, 2011

      • DarkAudit joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11836, 2011

      • Tecfan_ joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11852, 2011

      • czaja joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11823, 2011

      • flamingspinach joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11825, 2011

      • DarkAudit joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11840, 2011

      • DarkAudit joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11800, 2011

      • murdos joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11801, 2011

      • Tykling joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11807, 2011

      • Snartal joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11827, 2011

      • mchou joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11818, 2011

      • Snartal
      • 2011-04-28 11830, 2011

      • Snartal
        Any help appreciated.
      • 2011-04-28 11853, 2011

      • DarkAudit joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11814, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Do they use "Discos Joey" and "Joey Records" on their CDs?
      • 2011-04-28 11850, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Well, the way would be to use one as a name, the other as an alias… but deciding which one to use as name is usually tricky / personal preference
      • 2011-04-28 11808, 2011

      • _bibi has left the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11809, 2011

      • Snartal
        Well, they have used a few things over the years.
      • 2011-04-28 11840, 2011

      • Snartal
        Including Joey International.
      • 2011-04-28 11808, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Meh
      • 2011-04-28 11822, 2011

      • reosarevok
        For the same kind of records?
      • 2011-04-28 11839, 2011

      • reosarevok
        (maybe they have different "imprints" or at least different "lines" for each name)
      • 2011-04-28 11804, 2011

      • reosarevok
        (like some labels have a name when they release hip hop and a different one for Latin music)
      • 2011-04-28 11856, 2011

      • Snartal
        In the reading of the mb doc, it seems we track more on imprints, than labels
      • 2011-04-28 11829, 2011

      • DarkerAudit joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11855, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Yeah
      • 2011-04-28 11802, 2011

      • reosarevok
        That's why I ask
      • 2011-04-28 11838, 2011

      • reosarevok
        If they have different logos / imprints / whatever for different types of releases, maybe they should be kept separate
      • 2011-04-28 11805, 2011

      • Snartal
        That's what I was thinking...... each imprint would be a label.
      • 2011-04-28 11814, 2011

      • Snartal
        Just was verifing what would be the correct approach.
      • 2011-04-28 11836, 2011

      • reosarevok
        I am not too knowledgeable about labels
      • 2011-04-28 11850, 2011

      • reosarevok
        But in case of a mistake, it's much better to err on the side of creating too many
      • 2011-04-28 11858, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Merging is much simpler than separating
      • 2011-04-28 11803, 2011

      • lugo joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11829, 2011

      • ianmcorvidae joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11802, 2011

      • caller_6 joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11852, 2011

      • _Dave_ joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11809, 2011

      • dubwai joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11840, 2011

      • dubwai
        Sending Out A Dub, Sending Out a Dub, Sending out a Dub which is correct?
      • 2011-04-28 11801, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Sending Out a Dub, I'd say
      • 2011-04-28 11818, 2011

      • reosarevok
        (Guess case will probably turn it to "Sending Out A (dub)", ignore it )
      • 2011-04-28 11858, 2011

      • dubwai
        ok thanks I supposed the same
      • 2011-04-28 11806, 2011

      • outsidecontext joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11811, 2011

      • Tecfan joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11802, 2011

      • _Dave_ joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11828, 2011

      • Snartal
        Brazeros Musical De Durango...... de lower cased? (Its a group)
      • 2011-04-28 11808, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Yeah, "de" should be lowercased by default
      • 2011-04-28 11832, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Maybe there's some time when it should not (I can't think of one now), but if in doubt, lower case :)
      • 2011-04-28 11829, 2011

      • Guest20398 has left the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11844, 2011

      • Tykling joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11817, 2011

      • Snartal
        Is there an easy way to lower case / title every thing when importing a release, or do you have to do them one by one (track names)
      • 2011-04-28 11837, 2011

      • reosarevok
        If you use "Guess all" with sentence mode it should lowercase all
      • 2011-04-28 11852, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Of course, it won't distinguish proper nouns
      • 2011-04-28 11847, 2011

      • PasNox joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11848, 2011

      • lidel
        https://www.transifex.net/projects/p/musicbrainz/… <- is it possible to create polish one?
      • 2011-04-28 11855, 2011

      • nikki
        yes
      • 2011-04-28 11832, 2011

      • lidel
        I could start slowly translating :-)
      • 2011-04-28 11821, 2011

      • nikki
        do you have a username?
      • 2011-04-28 11857, 2011

      • lidel
        * lidel
      • 2011-04-28 11859, 2011

      • lidel
        ;-)
      • 2011-04-28 11808, 2011

      • nikki
        "lidel" I guess :P
      • 2011-04-28 11813, 2011

      • lidel
        yup
      • 2011-04-28 11838, 2011

      • nikki
        ta-da!
      • 2011-04-28 11825, 2011

      • lidel
        thx!
      • 2011-04-28 11843, 2011

      • Snartal
        Anybody here classical music style proficient?
      • 2011-04-28 11802, 2011

      • nikki watches everybody hide
      • 2011-04-28 11808, 2011

      • Snartal
        lol
      • 2011-04-28 11848, 2011

      • reosarevok hides too
      • 2011-04-28 11833, 2011

      • Mineo
        oh, a brave one!
      • 2011-04-28 11812, 2011

      • Mineo
        Snartal: just ask, if somebody knows an answer, they will hopefully respond
      • 2011-04-28 11850, 2011

      • Snartal
        I'm just curious why "artists" who are actually the composers, are not marked as such.
      • 2011-04-28 11833, 2011

      • Snartal
        At least with a note.
      • 2011-04-28 11831, 2011

      • Mineo
        we have a "composed" AR
      • 2011-04-28 11840, 2011

      • ruaok joined the channel
      • 2011-04-28 11807, 2011

      • Snartal
        Yes. I know I'm not going to change the classically minded and their tagging scheme, just curious why the standards didn't include some type of collision avoidance between say, a contemporary artist, and a classical composer name.
      • 2011-04-28 11842, 2011

      • Snartal
        Maybe I'm missing it.
      • 2011-04-28 11835, 2011

      • Mineo
        I'm note sure I really understand your question :) you can always add a comment to an artist if there's more than one artist with the same name
      • 2011-04-28 11844, 2011

      • Mineo
        that works with _every_ artist
      • 2011-04-28 11818, 2011

      • Snartal
        Yes, just seems they would of had a default note, like "composer" or something.
      • 2011-04-28 11849, 2011

      • Snartal
        Was just curious, anyway. Seems the classical guidelines are more geared toward getting around a lack of functionality in tagging software.
      • 2011-04-28 11823, 2011

      • Mineo
        I don't see why we would want to do that. you wouldn't add a note saying "this is the guitar player, not the $whatever" to every guitar player
      • 2011-04-28 11811, 2011

      • Mineo
        well, and around the lack of track and release titles given by the composer
      • 2011-04-28 11849, 2011

      • Snartal
        Well, the guitar player as an artist, may not be the composer. Seems classical music has composer only artists, unless Ludwig cut a CD lately.
      • 2011-04-28 11819, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Snartal: lots of performers are composers too
      • 2011-04-28 11830, 2011

      • reosarevok
        (even in -contemporary- classical!)
      • 2011-04-28 11830, 2011

      • Mineo
        ah, now I know what you mean
      • 2011-04-28 11804, 2011

      • Snartal
        Well, even in pop music, like Taylor Swift.
      • 2011-04-28 11809, 2011

      • Snartal
        So, why didn't the classical folk just adopt the composer AR?
      • 2011-04-28 11803, 2011

      • nikki
        they started before we had relationships
      • 2011-04-28 11817, 2011

      • nikki
        then continued doing what they'd always done
      • 2011-04-28 11830, 2011

      • nikki
        plus they like using the composer because it avoids the need to create new collaboration artists
      • 2011-04-28 11831, 2011

      • Tecfan
        will it change?
      • 2011-04-28 11849, 2011

      • nikki
        there's a csgv2 planned
      • 2011-04-28 11856, 2011

      • Tecfan
        oh my.
      • 2011-04-28 11800, 2011

      • Tecfan
        that will take timr
      • 2011-04-28 11803, 2011

      • Tecfan
        e
      • 2011-04-28 11812, 2011

      • nikki
        yeah
      • 2011-04-28 11816, 2011

      • Snartal
        What's a csgv2?
      • 2011-04-28 11824, 2011

      • nikki
        csg = classical style guide
      • 2011-04-28 11827, 2011

      • nikki
        v2 = version 2
      • 2011-04-28 11857, 2011

      • Snartal
        Well it makes sense how it got the way it is, since they started before ARs
      • 2011-04-28 11812, 2011

      • Snartal
        Got a feeling its going to stay that way for a loooong while though <grins>
      • 2011-04-28 11840, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Big changes *always* take time, after all
      • 2011-04-28 11858, 2011

      • Tecfan
        is there are way to mark a release with what style is being used in the ngs?
      • 2011-04-28 11801, 2011

      • vinci
        fr_FR [==> ] 24%
      • 2011-04-28 11804, 2011

      • Tecfan
        it's not always obvious
      • 2011-04-28 11828, 2011

      • nikki
        hm?
      • 2011-04-28 11829, 2011

      • reosarevok
        If someone wants to give some tips / ideas / whatever for the new CSG, contacting caller_6 is probably a good idea, by the way
      • 2011-04-28 11846, 2011

      • Tecfan
        nikki: mark a release with CSG for example
      • 2011-04-28 11854, 2011

      • Tecfan
        so people who aren't familiar with CSG don't try to change it