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      • W3ird_N3rd doesn't know the width of the scope
      • 2011-03-30 08905, 2011

      • nikki
        and that's still one of the things it does
      • 2011-03-30 08915, 2011

      • CatCat doesn't really think that setting no artist type releases to the studio(s) that recorded it? especially such a greatly prolificated studio as the bbc
      • 2011-03-30 08939, 2011

      • CatCat
        sounts as a "spa" but a real artist thing
      • 2011-03-30 08918, 2011

      • CatCat OT: CatCat is amused that the Google translate translates "herpa" with "herpes"
      • 2011-03-30 08934, 2011

      • CatCat
        ("herpa" means bvroken)
      • 2011-03-30 08938, 2011

      • CatCat
        broken even
      • 2011-03-30 08954, 2011

      • nikki
        and how will we ever make freedb redundant if we only ever return track titles for things with music? :D
      • 2011-03-30 08913, 2011

      • W3ird_N3rd
        point taken :)
      • 2011-03-30 08917, 2011

      • reosarevok
        "(All of this section should be removed once all merges, with retained AC, have taken place after the NGS release occurs.)"
      • 2011-03-30 08925, 2011

      • reosarevok
      • 2011-03-30 08927, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Really?
      • 2011-03-30 08940, 2011

      • nikki
        that's what the rfc from over a year ago says...
      • 2011-03-30 08903, 2011

      • reosarevok
        I would have imagined that it would be kept there, even if only to let people know which artist credits for [unknown] to use…
      • 2011-03-30 08906, 2011

      • nikki
        but personally I think it should be voidified or whatever, it was too long ago and most people had no idea how ngs even worked (most people still don't have any idea)
      • 2011-03-30 08947, 2011

      • nikki
        the whole traditional merge was a horrible mess, and I don't want to see the same thing happen for any of those, just because nobody objected more than a year before
      • 2011-03-30 08956, 2011

      • W3ird_N3rd
        in any case, setting "[no artist]" for anything would make no sense to me
      • 2011-03-30 08924, 2011

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      • W3ird_N3rd
        somebody made it, recorded it, whatever. "[artist unknown]" might be needed in some cases, no artist makes no sense imho
      • 2011-03-30 08927, 2011

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      • W3ird_N3rd feels sorry for the cat from track 55 on http://musicbrainz.org/release/2747cde1-1601-4811-946b-ccdf75d20ac8.html
      • 2011-03-30 08948, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Well, "Miserable Tom Cat Outside In The Rain" doesn't sound much happier
      • 2011-03-30 08936, 2011

      • W3ird_N3rd
        agree, but did they really step on a cat's tail just to record the agony?
      • 2011-03-30 08900, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Nah, I guess they got full of cat hair
      • 2011-03-30 08906, 2011

      • reosarevok
        And then they had the idea for the recording
      • 2011-03-30 08927, 2011

      • nikki
        bah...
      • 2011-03-30 08944, 2011

      • nikki
        I have credits for english lyrics, but they're not a translation
      • 2011-03-30 08948, 2011

      • CatCat
        I do believe that sound effects are often made with completely different things than they are supposed ot sound like
      • 2011-03-30 08955, 2011

      • CatCat
        re: coconuts are horses
      • 2011-03-30 08904, 2011

      • W3ird_N3rd
        monty python! :D
      • 2011-03-30 08911, 2011

      • CatCat
        yea
      • 2011-03-30 08922, 2011

      • nikki
        kniggit!
      • 2011-03-30 08932, 2011

      • CatCat
        NI!
      • 2011-03-30 08938, 2011

      • W3ird_N3rd
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      • VxJasonxV
        nikki, would you like to weigh in on something for me/us? (us being myself and warp)
      • 2011-03-30 08904, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
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      • CatCat
        imo if it's a tribute album the artist is usualy on the cover.. doesn't mean its x artist's release
      • 2011-03-30 08959, 2011

      • nikki
        do you not have any covers?
      • 2011-03-30 08906, 2011

      • warp
        that's where I'd look in a record store :P
      • 2011-03-30 08928, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
        covers = album art?
      • 2011-03-30 08938, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
        or was that not directed at me? or...?
      • 2011-03-30 08948, 2011

      • warp
        nikki: I'll add a link
      • 2011-03-30 08959, 2011

      • CatCat
        uh, in record stores her, tribute albums are usually in the "va" "genre type section
      • 2011-03-30 08915, 2011

      • nikki
        yes, album art
      • 2011-03-30 08920, 2011

      • CatCat
        which is why the eluded me for so long
      • 2011-03-30 08920, 2011

      • warp
        nikki: done.
      • 2011-03-30 08954, 2011

      • CatCat
        in the librar, the tribute albums are also under va/the artist(s) that recorded it
      • 2011-03-30 08915, 2011

      • nikki
        I would put that under va
      • 2011-03-30 08919, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
        :<
      • 2011-03-30 08922, 2011

      • CatCat
        yea
      • 2011-03-30 08927, 2011

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      • CatCat
        there's a "has tribute" etch ar already
      • 2011-03-30 08944, 2011

      • reosarevok
        All tribute albums I've seen were under VA
      • 2011-03-30 08951, 2011

      • W3ird_N3rd
        hard to say I think
      • 2011-03-30 08951, 2011

      • CatCat
        yea
      • 2011-03-30 08934, 2011

      • CatCat
        under the artist is not where'd I'd sort it or expect to find it
      • 2011-03-30 08946, 2011

      • CatCat
        bah it's getting late, I need to do some stufa ge then go to bed. school tomorrow
      • 2011-03-30 08901, 2011

      • CatCat
        bionomical probability
      • 2011-03-30 08913, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
        I've been coming up short trying to explain my feelings. warp, have anything to say on the matter?
      • 2011-03-30 08916, 2011

      • nikki
        stats >_<
      • 2011-03-30 08934, 2011

      • nikki
        warp's opinion is normally just "va sucks, avoid it at all costs" :P
      • 2011-03-30 08908, 2011

      • CatCat
        that has to do with how va is on mb, not how the realease really is
      • 2011-03-30 08925, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
        Frankly, that's not a bad stance, since no one knows how to use VA. I hate getting albums where everything is "VA".
      • 2011-03-30 08934, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
        I guess the data, and how it's used (read: tagged) are two entirely different things though.
      • 2011-03-30 08937, 2011

      • CatCat has done combinatorics (who), hypergeometric? probablity (easy)
      • 2011-03-30 08915, 2011

      • CatCat
        i miss the days of simple algebra though
      • 2011-03-30 08938, 2011

      • CatCat
        though it was fun to learn about vectors
      • 2011-03-30 08956, 2011

      • nikki
        I liked vectors
      • 2011-03-30 08910, 2011

      • CatCat
        yea!
      • 2011-03-30 08920, 2011

      • nikki
        the only thing I hated more than stats was integrating though
      • 2011-03-30 08935, 2011

      • CatCat
        it's not stats, it's probability
      • 2011-03-30 08945, 2011

      • nikki
        probability always came under stats for us
      • 2011-03-30 08900, 2011

      • CatCat
        and integrating, that's the opposite of derivartion isn't it?
      • 2011-03-30 08913, 2011

      • nikki
        maybe?
      • 2011-03-30 08922, 2011

      • CatCat
        oh, we don't have stats her in t math, i think the p mat guys have it though
      • 2011-03-30 08929, 2011

      • nikki
        all I remember is that the opposite of integrating isn't disintegrating, although it would be funnier than way
      • 2011-03-30 08931, 2011

      • ruaok
        CatCat: yes
      • 2011-03-30 08940, 2011

      • CatCat
        yes to what? loi
      • 2011-03-30 08946, 2011

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      • CatCat
        its called derivasjon and integrasjon here
      • 2011-03-30 08904, 2011

      • ruaok
        "and integrating, that's the opposite of derivartion isn't it?
      • 2011-03-30 08910, 2011

      • nikki
        integrating was fine at first, then it got complicated and I have no idea how I passed (sheer luck? by doing really well on all the other questions? by taking the exam three times? who knows)
      • 2011-03-30 08942, 2011

      • CatCat
        derivation.. it's easy, but doign it by the prooff, that was hard.. the teacher said to me that *I* was probably the only one who actually got it XD
      • 2011-03-30 08902, 2011

      • nikki
        hmm... forgot about proofs...
      • 2011-03-30 08919, 2011

      • CatCat
        i'm probably using the wrogn word..
      • 2011-03-30 08924, 2011

      • CatCat
        by the definition i mean
      • 2011-03-30 08926, 2011

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      • CatCat
        like alpha y a<lpha x, then times alpha x minus x
      • 2011-03-30 08903, 2011

      • CatCat
        i would have to work on it agian to do it again
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      • VxJasonxV
        caller_6, how did you reach that conclusion? O_o
      • 2011-03-30 08947, 2011

      • nikki grumbles at the broken time stuff on the server
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      • VxJasonxV
        caller_6, re: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=14264946 , that conclusion. eh?
      • 2011-03-30 08903, 2011

      • caller_6
        VxJasonxV: oh, not the cover. But still... "10k Free Men and their families presents..."
      • 2011-03-30 08930, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
        where did you read that?
      • 2011-03-30 08911, 2011

      • caller_6
        the link kuno posted above my comment
      • 2011-03-30 08930, 2011

      • caller_6
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      • VxJasonxV
        I'm on that page
      • 2011-03-30 08911, 2011

      • nikki can't see it either
      • 2011-03-30 08914, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
        the only existence of "present" is the use of "birthday present"
      • 2011-03-30 08924, 2011

      • caller_6
        it's in a flash thingy
      • 2011-03-30 08926, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
        and the only reference to 10k free men is in the tracklisting
      • 2011-03-30 08943, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
        aha
      • 2011-03-30 08945, 2011

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      • VxJasonxV
        that's just one song
      • 2011-03-30 08908, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
        10k free men present: a punk cover of hexadecimal genome. which is one song on the album (track 7)
      • 2011-03-30 08914, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
        that's not indicative of the whole album
      • 2011-03-30 08953, 2011

      • caller_6 is easily confused. Sorry. My mistake.
      • 2011-03-30 08926, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
        s'all good
      • 2011-03-30 08911, 2011

      • caller_6
        But then under Michael Lerman (if he put the whole thing together)?
      • 2011-03-30 08933, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
        Surely production companies don't get artist credit.
      • 2011-03-30 08940, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
        And by that logic, nor does Lerman.
      • 2011-03-30 08910, 2011

      • hawke__
        I’d be in favor of crediting producers in some cases for VA albums.
      • 2011-03-30 08911, 2011

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      • hawke__
        Probably not this case though
      • 2011-03-30 08953, 2011

      • caller_6
        Obviously I don't know anything about /this/ tribute album. But (as hawke said) sometimes the producer as artist makes sense. e.g. http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=46…
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      • VxJasonxV
        Is there a formal fancy name for the split-e ampersand?
      • 2011-03-30 08937, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
        I can't find it on my keyboard, so I can't enter it.
      • 2011-03-30 08937, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
        ampersand is definitely not the correct word
      • 2011-03-30 08942, 2011

      • nikki
        split-e ampersand?
      • 2011-03-30 08936, 2011

      • hawke__
        The what?
      • 2011-03-30 08949, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
        fancy writers use it in place of an ampersand
      • 2011-03-30 08953, 2011

      • hawke__
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      • VxJasonxV
        it's a curvy E with lines above and brlow it
      • 2011-03-30 08958, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
        below*
      • 2011-03-30 08909, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
        I'm looking for it, but it's hard when you're just aimlessly shooting for it :P
      • 2011-03-30 08913, 2011

      • hawke__
        Oh
      • 2011-03-30 08924, 2011

      • hawke__
        That’s just an ampersand
      • 2011-03-30 08907, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
        is there a more specific name for it?
      • 2011-03-30 08911, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
        for that specific varient
      • 2011-03-30 08916, 2011

      • hawke__
        No.
      • 2011-03-30 08926, 2011

      • hawke__
        It’s just a way of handwriting it.
      • 2011-03-30 08937, 2011

      • hawke__
        I suppose you could call it a “handwritten ampersand”
      • 2011-03-30 08907, 2011

      • hawke__
        but it’s similar to how the “a” character is typically handwritten differently from how the typed character looks.
      • 2011-03-30 08913, 2011

      • hawke__
        They’re both still a lower-case a
      • 2011-03-30 08937, 2011

      • hawke__
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      • VxJasonxV
        my girlfriend would know the specific term for the different a's
      • 2011-03-30 08958, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
        I can't remember it, but it's been brought up before.
      • 2011-03-30 08908, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
        Every single character has a different distinct name, at least as listed by unicode.
      • 2011-03-30 08919, 2011

      • hawke__
        But they’re not distinct characters.
      • 2011-03-30 08932, 2011

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      • nikki
        heh, yeah. unicode doesn't encode a new character every time someone writes it differently
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      • VxJasonxV
        ehhhhhhh
      • 2011-03-30 08908, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
        I hate vocabulary.
      • 2011-03-30 08915, 2011

      • nikki
        it hates you :P
      • 2011-03-30 08934, 2011

      • VxJasonxV
        I agree with that statement.