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cparker
How is one supposed to specify an "arranged by" relationship?
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cparker
Is there any consideration for a "series" relationship? For example, the "NOW That's What I Call Music" series?
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nikki
cparker: it's been proposed before, but got stuck because people couldn't decide how it should be implemented
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16:23 PM
nikki
ocharles: who knows, I asked once before how we should decide what goes in the sidebar but nobody said anything
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16:23 PM
ocharles
nikki: I'm starting to think just all links
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16:23 PM
nikki
there's still some I don't think belong there
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16:24 PM
nikki
and when I tried it, it was a mess
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16:24 PM
ocharles
hm, I see
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16:29 PM
wpl
Is there a tutorial on how to install just the database on a local server?
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wpl
The wiki just refers to the VirtualMachine, which is not what I need.
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16:30 PM
nikki
if you only want the database, mbslave is probably a better idea
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16:30 PM
nikki looks for the link
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ianmcorvidae
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16:30 PM
nikki
show off :P
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16:30 PM
ianmcorvidae was just going to paste the link :P
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16:31 PM
ianmcorvidae
also
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ianmcorvidae
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wpl
thx guys :)
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cjk32
What't the best way to add a new multi-medium release with discids?
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17:24 PM
reosarevok
cjk32: I think either adding the release and then attaching the IDs or adding each disc and merging them
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reosarevok
But maybe it has been made simpler…
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hawke_
Pretty sure that’s right…
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17:26 PM
cjk32
Creating the release then adding discids seemd better than created five releases and merging - doesn't depend on edits being approved before its correct in the database.
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17:26 PM
reosarevok would agree
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reosarevok
The recordings probably won't get the right track lengths yet
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17:27 PM
reosarevok
But they will once a system for them to be taken from tracks is developed
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17:27 PM
reosarevok
(and that's in the plans)
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17:27 PM
reosarevok
So…
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cjk32
I'm not sure that's working correctly anyway. Adding a single disc release didn't provide track-lengths / recording lengths from the toc.
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17:28 PM
cjk32
Actually, it looks like I can start adding a release based upon one discid, then add new media to it.
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17:31 PM
cjk32
Gah, also looks like ISRCs aren't anywhere near as unique as one might hope!
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17:31 PM
cjk32
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17:31 PM
ianmcorvidae
yeah, ISRCs and ISWCs both
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17:32 PM
ianmcorvidae
although there's also issues dealing with actually reading ISRCs
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17:32 PM
ianmcorvidae
different readers have different, ah, challenges
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17:33 PM
cjk32
Given that they're used for keeping track of royalties, one might have hoped they'd be a bit better coordinated.
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17:33 PM
reosarevok
cjk32: ISWCs seem to be relatively fine
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17:33 PM
reosarevok
(at least in Spain…)
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17:34 PM
ianmcorvidae
reosarevok: there's the request for "let works have more than one ISWC" which I think speaks to the issues with ISWCs as well :)
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17:34 PM
reosarevok
ianmcorvidae: I'm not saying there are none
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17:34 PM
cjk32
:)
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17:34 PM
ianmcorvidae
they're better than ISRCs, though, yeah
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17:34 PM
reosarevok
I've seen one duplicated work :)
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17:34 PM
reosarevok
But yeah, I've seen over 1k non-dupe ones
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17:34 PM
reosarevok
So I would imagine they're kinda better
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17:36 PM
cjk32
Well, my ISRCs are consistent over two different brands of drive, I think they're sound at least.
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17:40 PM
cjk32
Are there any large databases of ISRCs from which data has been imported?
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17:40 PM
reosarevok
cjk32: there is the French one, murdos was importing from it
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17:40 PM
cjk32
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17:40 PM
reosarevok
But I don't know if manually or with any bot
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17:40 PM
ianmcorvidae
cjk32: yeah, sbontrager's ISRC edits are known
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17:41 PM
ianmcorvidae
I don't know why the thing removing those hasn't been deployed yet
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17:42 PM
cjk32
Ah, okay. Mind if I ask what happened?
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17:42 PM
ianmcorvidae
just a poorly-written script, as far as I know
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17:42 PM
reosarevok
Faulty submitting script
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17:43 PM
ianmcorvidae
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17:44 PM
bitmap
from what he said, due to an evil global variable that kept references to past ISRCs :)
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17:45 PM
ianmcorvidae
needs more functional programming
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17:45 PM
ianmcorvidae
;)
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17:45 PM
cjk32
Ah, hence the requirement for a unique user agent, I guess
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17:48 PM
cjk32
Advocating lisp?
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17:49 PM
ianmcorvidae
nah, haskell's better if you really want to go functional XD
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17:49 PM
ianmcorvidae
I like lisp plenty, but it's not pure-functional
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17:49 PM
ianmcorvidae
it just supports a functional style well
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17:50 PM
luks
that doesn't save you from accumulating "global" state :)
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17:51 PM
ocharles
HASKELL
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18:00 PM
LeoD_
HASKELL!!
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18:03 PM
cparker
I have an odd scenario... there's a single track/recording that's credited to a person "and Family". Is it appropriate to create a new artist for this single collaboration? Or should the recording be attributed to just the person, with the track's artist listed with the "and Family" tacked on the end?
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18:04 PM
CatCat
LEARN OYOU A BOOKBRAINZ
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18:05 PM
cparker
I already have performance relationships added to the recording for each of the members of this person's family, as they're listed in the liner notes. Should these relationships, plus the "and Family" in only the track listing, suffice? It seems kind of silly to create a new artist just for this one-time collaboration on a single song.
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18:06 PM
reosarevok
cparker: if you feel it is enough, then it probably is
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18:07 PM
reosarevok
(just link it to the artist and put "Artist and Family" as "credited as")
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18:08 PM
cparker
Hm. There's another idea. Thanks, reosarevok.
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18:11 PM
cjk32
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18:12 PM
nikki
sony music entertainment?
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18:13 PM
cjk32
Okay, I wasn't sure how to decide between Sony, "Legacy", and "Columbia"
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18:15 PM
cjk32
Whether the latter two should be recorded aswell (as imprints?)
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18:20 PM
cjk32
If you're after suggestions for the release editor, proving someway for data the persist after request timeout would be much appreciated!
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18:23 PM
nikki
possibly. I'm not that familiar with it
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18:23 PM
nikki
I mean, the labels
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18:25 PM
bitmap
Sony and Columbia have dual imprints on massive amounts of releases, I would just add them both instead of deciding on one
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18:26 PM
cjk32
It's something I've never been clear on, whether the label field is to record companies, or how those companies promote releases.
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18:27 PM
bitmap would prefer the latter for simplicity
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18:27 PM
nikki
nobody is entirely sure what we're trying to do, but generally we don't try and store companies
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18:29 PM
cjk32
Likewise, it's usually the most intersting. Plus, I guess an imprint back be resolved back to a company, but not vice versa.
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18:30 PM
cjk32
Maybe that's why I'm so confused, no documentation along with a list of labels created by others similarly confused!
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18:31 PM
bitmap
some imprints have been bought and sold so many times that multiple companies have rights to use them, so it's all too confusing to keep track of that
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18:32 PM
cjk32
Even given a date?
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18:34 PM
CatCat
UGH IO AM SO SICK OF FIGHTING WITH COMPUTERS
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18:34 PM
CatCat
OMG
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18:34 PM
bitmap
we can spend time a ton of time organizing labels based on which company owned them at a given date, but I wouldn't really see the point :)
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18:34 PM
bitmap
s/time//
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18:35 PM
bitmap
IMO that's what the annotations are for
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18:35 PM
CatCat
my idea of label-alias/attributes in the release then?
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18:35 PM
reosarevok
bitmap: that's clearly info for brandbrainz :p
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18:35 PM
bitmap
exactly :P
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18:36 PM
CatCat
hello?
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18:36 PM
reosarevok
CatCat: if you talk about brandbrainz, just a joke
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18:36 PM
CatCat
[20:32] CatCat my idea of label-alias/attributes in the release then?
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18:36 PM
reosarevok
If you talk about computers, yeah, my power cable is being annoying again
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18:36 PM
reosarevok
Oh
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18:37 PM
reosarevok doesn't know about that one
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hawke_
Hmmm…if a piano roll is in MB, and then later a recording is made to CD from that roll, should they be considered the same recording?
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hawke_
I’m inclined to say “no” and propose an AR between them, but no idea what it would be…
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hawke_
…Anyone have any ideas?
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19:09 PM
reosarevok doesn't even know what a piano roll is, much less what to do with it :(
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19:09 PM
nikki
it's what happens when pianos do gymnastics
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19:09 PM
nikki isn't helpful :P
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19:10 PM
hawke_
reosarevok: It’s a roll of paper with holes punched where piano’s keys should be down, essentially.
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19:10 PM
reosarevok
Hmm
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19:10 PM
reosarevok
Do we store those?
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19:11 PM
hawke_
Yes.
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19:11 PM
reosarevok
It sounds more like a score than a recording…
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19:11 PM
ocharles
yea, I don't think that's really a recording anymore
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19:11 PM
hawke_
No, they’re created by someone playing a piano.
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19:11 PM
ocharles
oh
